Poll: Should Texas prevent a pregnant woman with fetal abnormalities from obtaining an abortion?

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HomerJS

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As a father to 3 girls I am appalled at this direction the so called conservatives have taken. As a 7th generation Texan I just don't know what to do about this place anymore. I cannot do anything without risking my current, quite ok, life and at the same time I feel like I cannot do nothing. Running away lets them win but staying keeps us with everyone and everything we know. Fuck Abbott, Patrick, Paxton and all the assholes that put us in this situation. I am weary of this shit.
How about voting against EVERY Republican for starters? And grab a few like-minded friends/relatives.

Make sure everyone you know knows this story in detail.
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
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Texas Supreme Court just ruled on her case. They said the lower court was wrong for allowing her to get an abortion. They said an unviable fetus must be carried to term
Pretty sure their exact words were "It's the doctor's problem". AKA, someone needs to hang their neck before the guillotine and see if murderous Republicans want to take a swing for the crime of providing life saving medical care. The distinction is, they did not ban it, they simply wash their hands of it. Their refusal to let the lower court's protective order stand, is itself rather telling.

Their honeyed words claim feigned neutrality, while their actions are overt hostility.
 

gothuevos

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Because how are doctors/hospitals supposed to know who to treat? Paxton already stated he would prosecute any doctor who performed the abortion. This was BEFORE the Texas SC ruling.

Does anything about make you uneasy about the SC making this kind of decision? These laws were written intentionally vague so they can go after whomever they wish.

Why are you blaming this on the woman??
Not blaming her at all. Her situation is terrible.

Agree that it seems like her doctor didn't want to take the risk but the SC punted it back to him.

Just odd to publicly state "I'm fleeing the state.". As if the national attention is part of the plan. Not sure how this helps her, who is giving her advice?
 
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brycejones

Lifer
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Not blaming her at all. Her situation is terrible.

Agree that it seems like her doctor didn't want to take the risk but the SC punted it back to him.

Just odd to publicly state "I'm fleeing the state.". As if the national attention is part of the plan. Not sure how this helps her, who is giving her advice?
Did you eat a lot of lead tainted apple sauce recently?
 

local

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How about voting against EVERY Republican for starters? And grab a few like-minded friends/relatives.

Make sure everyone you know knows this story in detail.
I have voted against the Rs since 2020. Before then I tried to research every race and pick the one I thought was best. I hated voting against people instead of for people but it is the right thing to do now.

As to this case specifically I, unfortunately, believe it is going to take many more such events to start turning this around. More people will have to be impacted for the masses to begin feeling the pain enough to do something about it. Until then this is something that happens to "others" who deserved it. The cancer treatment discussion earlier is a good example of where this is going to go wrong for these people.
 

HomerJS

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Not blaming her at all. Her situation is terrible.

Agree that it seems like her doctor didn't want to take the risk but the SC punted it back to him.

Just odd to publicly state "I'm fleeing the state.". As if the national attention is part of the plan. Not sure how this helps her, who is giving her advice?
She wants this in the national spotlight. I'm glad she is willing to put herself out there.

Why would a doctor take a risk when Paxton already publicly stated he would punish and doctor who performed the abortion?

Making the laws vague puts the fear in the medical community and that's their goal. If you have a practice in Texas, are you going to risk prison and loss of license?
 

HomerJS

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I have voted against the Rs since 2020. Before then I tried to research every race and pick the one I thought was best. I hated voting against people instead of for people but it is the right thing to do now.

As to this case specifically I, unfortunately, believe it is going to take many more such events to start turning this around. More people will have to be impacted for the masses to begin feeling the pain enough to do something about it. Until then this is something that happens to "others" who deserved it. The cancer treatment discussion earlier is a good example of where this is going to go wrong for these people.
I don't wish this in any way but it's going to take the death of a woman to even have a chance of those pricks being voted out.
 

Dave_5k

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Why would doctors risk felony criminal charges by a overzealous DA who disagreed with their medical assessment that her life was in danger? The Republican's in Texas wrote the law in such a vague way to not make it clear under what circumstances a abortion is legal.
This isn't just any felony conviction either: a doctor and assisting medical staff, if convicted of providing an abortion in Texas, face a minimum $100,000 fine each, revocation of their medical licenses, along with the felony conviction with up to 99 years in prison.
 

HomerJS

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This isn't just any felony conviction either: a doctor and assisting medical staff, if convicted of providing an abortion in Texas, face a minimum $100,000 fine each, revocation of their medical licenses, along with the felony conviction with up to 99 years in prison.
Imagine being put in that position. Do nothing and risk the life of the woman. Perform it and you are wiped out and put in prison.

Texas Pubs are such assholes they would just claim after the fact and claim, "Doctors should have just performed the abortion". They did that in this case.
 

Jaskalas

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Just odd to publicly state "I'm fleeing the state.". As if the national attention is part of the plan. Not sure how this helps her, who is giving her advice?
  1. Her pregnancy is non viable.
  2. To continue it is a life threatening condition.
Sane people often believe that seeking medical treatment to resolve and cure a life threatening condition is a benefit to the person who needs medical care.
Texas is denying life saving medical care. It is logical to seek out that care, where ever it is actually legal. Texas pretending that made an exception does not matter, if no Doctor actually believes Texas.

The woman must flee Texas for life saving medical care.
If you do not admit how that helps her......

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If you are purely reflecting on the lawyer's statement.... then I can illustrate a point.
  • She filed suit to win the right for life saving medical care. Lower court approved, then SC revoked and denied it.
  • Therefore the situation was already public, and there is no hiding the outcome from anyone.
 
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HomerJS

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  1. Her pregnancy is non viable.
  2. To continue it is a life threatening condition.
Sane people often believe that seeking medical treatment to resolve and cure a life threatening condition is a benefit to the person who needs medical care.
Texas is denying life saving medical care. It is logical to seek out that care, where ever it is actually legal. Texas pretending that made an exception does not matter, if no Doctor actually believes Texas.

The woman must flee Texas for life saving medical care.
If you do not admit how that helps her, then your propaganda is showing.
Ken Paxton gave doctors a reason not to believe Texas
 

DaaQ

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Really awful situation and I feel for her but I also question some of the legal advice she's been receiving.

According to that same Texas Supreme Court ruling, she never needed to file a court order, her doctor could have simply done the abortion had they felt her life was in danger. So why didn't they?

Instead they chose to make it a very public case and now she is also very publicly and dramatically stating she is "fleeing the state" opening her up to further legal jeopardy in regards to bounty laws or whatever else they decide to throw at her.

How does this help her?

Just feels like someone gave this poor woman bad advice and/or is trying to use her as a political football and it backfired. Just feels really weird to open your medical history up like this to national scrutiny when it sounds like it wasn't necessary in the first place, and especially in a state where you know exactly what the outcome will be regardless.
You obviously have not followed this very closely.
Her Lawyer is representing over 20 other women, before even meeting the woman in this OP.

Basically the exceptions written into this particular law, are no exceptions.

The lawyer confirmed the other cases were for women, AND doctors, to try and get an answer to (how close to death does the mother have to become before) " The Exception" will apply.

Oncology Drs are refusing to treat cancer patients because chemo can induce an abortion.

Who is going to be the Martyr?
She wants this in the national spotlight. I'm glad she is willing to put herself out there.

Why would a doctor take a risk when Paxton already publicly stated he would punish and doctor who performed the abortion?

Making the laws vague puts the fear in the medical community and that's their goal. If you have a practice in Texas, are you going to risk prison and loss of license?
Only adding you into this quote because, as I just told my wife, someone is going to HAVE to BECOME The Martyr.

It won't be the poor people, it will have to be a financially well to do white woman, that has to die during birthing a dead baby, for this to happen.

I think you would agree to this assessment. As much as I hate that it is going to HAVE to happen. So sad and infuriating.

Hopefully one of these assholes will get revealed that they assisted in their mistress's abortion, and get hung out to dry.
 

brycejones

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A similar case in Kentucky.

Kentucky woman sues to have the right to an abortion. Fetus no longer has cardiac activity.
That doesn't mean anything, a miracle could still happen. She needs to keep that fetus inside her. If she has a miscarriage she murdered the baby.

Obviously she is a bad person because God did this to her. I hope she repents soon.
 

sandorski

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That doesn't mean anything, a miracle could still happen. She needs to keep that fetus inside her. If she has a miscarriage she murdered the baby.

Obviously she is a bad person because God did this to her. I hope she repents soon.
The Rocket Manger will come streaking across the sky.....
 
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HomerJS

Lifer
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You obviously have not followed this very closely.
Her Lawyer is representing over 20 other women, before even meeting the woman in this OP.

Basically the exceptions written into this particular law, are no exceptions.

The lawyer confirmed the other cases were for women, AND doctors, to try and get an answer to (how close to death does the mother have to become before) " The Exception" will apply.

Oncology Drs are refusing to treat cancer patients because chemo can induce an abortion.

Who is going to be the Martyr?

Only adding you into this quote because, as I just told my wife, someone is going to HAVE to BECOME The Martyr.

It won't be the poor people, it will have to be a financially well to do white woman, that has to die during birthing a dead baby, for this to happen.

I think you would agree to this assessment. As much as I hate that it is going to HAVE to happen. So sad and infuriating.

Hopefully one of these assholes will get revealed that they assisted in their mistress's abortion, and get hung out to dry.
Remember when crazy anti abortion right claimed the left wanted abortion up to birth?

Can anyone find one single case where a woman at 8 months 3 weeks with a healthy fetus sought an abortion and found a doctor to perform it?

Short answer, it doesn’t happen. Right wingers just made up bullshit to point the finger of evil at Democrats. That finger still points to them.
 

DaaQ

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Remember when crazy anti abortion right claimed the left wanted abortion up to birth?

Can anyone find one single case where a woman at 8 months 3 weeks with a healthy fetus sought an abortion and found a doctor to perform it?

Short answer, it doesn’t happen. Right wingers just made up bullshit to point the finger of evil at Democrats. That finger still points to them.
Maybe they will get there "appropriate" Martyr soon though right? Because the poor wont even be reported.
 
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gothuevos

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You obviously have not followed this very closely.
Her Lawyer is representing over 20 other women, before even meeting the woman in this OP.

Basically the exceptions written into this particular law, are no exceptions.

The lawyer confirmed the other cases were for women, AND doctors, to try and get an answer to (how close to death does the mother have to become before) " The Exception" will apply.

Oncology Drs are refusing to treat cancer patients because chemo can induce an abortion.

Who is going to be the Martyr?

Only adding you into this quote because, as I just told my wife, someone is going to HAVE to BECOME The Martyr.

It won't be the poor people, it will have to be a financially well to do white woman, that has to die during birthing a dead baby, for this to happen.

I think you would agree to this assessment. As much as I hate that it is going to HAVE to happen. So sad and infuriating.

Hopefully one of these assholes will get revealed that they assisted in their mistress's abortion, and get hung out to dry.

Unfortunately neither of those morbid scenarios would change anything.

The sad reality is that a sizeable chunk of those that will be negatively affected by these laws...PROBABLY VOTED for these legislators in the first place and will vote GOP in 2024, again. Nothing changes.
 
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SteveGrabowski

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As a father to 3 girls I am appalled at this direction the so called conservatives have taken. As a 7th generation Texan I just don't know what to do about this place anymore. I cannot do anything without risking my current, quite ok, life and at the same time I feel like I cannot do nothing. Running away lets them win but staying keeps us with everyone and everything we know. Fuck Abbott, Patrick, Paxton and all the assholes that put us in this situation. I am weary of this shit.
So called conservatives? This is what conservatives have been for centuries in America. I wouldn't want to bring up three girls to be second class citizens in this shithole of a state. If you can't afford to move out of this area to somewhere sane thanks to home prices being through the roof that's 100% understandable (same reason I'm staying in Texas, at least for near future) but if you're staying because you don't want to let the fascists win that's kind of crazy since they already have won here, and they'll just win more with you continuing to pay taxes to them.
 

SteveGrabowski

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Unfortunately neither of those morbid scenarios would change anything.

The sad reality is that a sizeable chunk of those that will be negatively affected by these laws...PROBABLY VOTED for these legislators in the first place and will vote GOP in 2024, again. Nothing changes.
Here's a Trumptard forced to carry a non-viable pregnancy to term who couldn't believe the law she and her husband voted for applied to her:


And here's how it ended:

Kylie Beaton, another plaintiff, also had to watch her baby die. Beaton, who didn’t testify this week, learned during a 20-week scan that something was wrong with her baby’s brain, according to the suit.

The doctor diagnosed the fetus with alobar holoprosencephaly, a condition where the two hemispheres of the brain don’t properly divide. Babies with this condition are often stillborn or die soon after birth.

Beaton’s doctor told her he couldn’t provide an abortion unless she was severely ill, or the fetus’s heart stopped. Beaton and her husband sought to obtain an abortion out of state. However, the fetus’s head was enlarged due to its condition, and the only clinic that would perform an abortion charged up to $15,000. Beaton and her husband couldn’t afford it.

Instead, Beaton gave birth to a son she named Grant. The baby cried constantly, wouldn’t eat, and couldn’t be held upright for fear it would put too much pressure on his head, according to the suit. Four days later, Grant died.

I love that this shitbag got exactly what she and her husband voted for. Had to listen to their baby cry for four days and not eat before dying because they thought mothers should be forced to carry babies to term because durr abortion is just for whores and darkies.
 
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brycejones

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Here's a Trumptard forced to carry a non-viable pregnancy to term who couldn't believe the law she and her husband voted for applied to her:


And here's how it ended:



I love that this shitbag got exactly what she and her husband voted for. Had to listen to their baby cry for four days and not eat before dying because they thought mothers should be forced to carry babies to term because durr abortion is just for whores and darkies.
I don't get the fuss. It was just God's will.
 
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