Poll: Should Texas prevent a pregnant woman with fetal abnormalities from obtaining an abortion?

[Jaskalas]

Dear women. Leave Texas. NOW!
When a pregnancy is no longer viable, and a doctor would act in favor of the mother's safety, but Republican politicians say no.
I am pro life. This is a case where it should be performed. But Texas is inhumane and torturous, with a blatant disregard for human life and safety.

Texas Supreme Court Pauses Lower Court's Order Allowing Pregnant Woman To Have An Abortion​

The Texas Supreme Court has put on hold a judge’s ruling that approved an abortion for a pregnant woman whose fetus has a fatal diagnosis.​

 

[Leeea]

Well this is a rather one sided poll.

 

[Leeea]

I picked the joke option on the poll.

Thank you for clarifying.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Dear women. Leave Texas. NOW!
When a pregnancy is no longer viable, and a doctor would act in favor of the mother's safety, but Republican politicians say no.
I am pro life. This is a case where it should be performed. But Texas is inhumane and torturous, with a blatant disregard for human life and safety.

Texas Supreme Court Pauses Lower Court's Order Allowing Pregnant Woman To Have An Abortion​

The Texas Supreme Court has put on hold a judge’s ruling that approved an abortion for a pregnant woman whose fetus has a fatal diagnosis.​

Came to post this news.
Fuck Ken Paxton.

After I saw the headline I wondered....what are the odds of the woman dying, and if she does, will the state be held responsible since it actively prevented life-saving healthcare?

 

[brycejones]

Came to post this news.
Fuck Ken Paxton.

After I saw the headline I wondered....what are the odds of the woman dying, and if she does, will the state be held responsible since it actively prevented life-saving healthcare?

Of course not. The state is immune and it's just God's will after all.

 

[mikeymikec]

IMO there should have been a third poll option:

No, but I'm still going to vote for the GQP.

 

[Dulanic]

Republicans did this to themselves. This whole situation can do nothing but hurt them.

 

[Indus]

Republicans did this to themselves. This whole situation can do nothing but hurt them.

Their solution.. kill the bitch.. what's the problem?

That's what happens when they get high on their own bullshit!

 

[zinfamous]

part of methinks we should just let the monsters in these fucking shithole states be as monstrous to their people as they want to be, until the rest can't take it anymore and just unload on those fucking asshole republican garbage humans.

Let them actually live under the consequences of their votes (not that most of these people vote that way, due to GQP gerrymandering and all other forms of absolute election fraud that they commit every single year).

But republican voters, especially, need to absolutely be treated like the filth that they vote to be treated as, and driven into the ground by the monstrous pieces of shit that they happily vote for.

Until Republicans are allowed to fully unleash their anti-human campaign of terror on all of their constituents without any kind of federal support masking the truth of their policies, then they will never be destroyed. The Republican party must end, and i think we need to let them kill themselves through the results of their own policies and diseased ideologies.

 

[kitkat22]

One thing I don't understand is why the patient can't be admitted and transferred out of state for the necessary procedure. This happens with other procedures.

(I fully support abortion access without any limitations or qualifications btw)

Do you have any idea how freaking hard it is to transfer patients to even a tertiary care center? Crossing state lines is an absolute nightmare. I literally have to call every hospital, make sure they have a bed (they dont), convince a doctor to take the case and accept the responsibility of the procedure then nightmare through insurance across state lines. Not to mention EMTALA and/or aiding an abortion by transferring them. It's actually easier for patients to leave against medical advice and drive themselves to a different ER.

I'm trying to transfer two patients now for other reasons. One is on day 3 of waiting, the other day 2.

 

[HomerJS]

Dear women. Leave Texas. NOW!
When a pregnancy is no longer viable, and a doctor would act in favor of the mother's safety, but Republican politicians say no.
I am pro life. This is a case where it should be performed. But Texas is Republicans are inhumane and torturous, with a blatant disregard for human life and safety.

Texas Supreme Court Pauses Lower Court's Order Allowing Pregnant Woman To Have An Abortion​

The Texas Supreme Court has put on hold a judge’s ruling that approved an abortion for a pregnant woman whose fetus has a fatal diagnosis.​

FTFY

 

[GodisanAtheist]

part of methinks we should just let the monsters in these fucking shithole states be as monstrous to their people as they want to be, until the rest can't take it anymore and just unload on those fucking asshole republican garbage humans.

Let them actually live under the consequences of their votes (not that most of these people vote that way, due to GQP gerrymandering and all other forms of absolute election fraud that they commit every single year).

But republican voters, especially, need to absolutely be treated like the filth that they vote to be treated as, and driven into the ground by the monstrous pieces of shit that they happily vote for.

Until Republicans are allowed to fully unleash their anti-human campaign of terror on all of their constituents without any kind of federal support masking the truth of their policies, then they will never be destroyed. The Republican party must end, and i think we need to let them kill themselves through the results of their own policies and diseased ideologies.

-Problem with that approach is that everyone that has the means or doesn't like it there will leave and go to bluer pastures...

Except thanks to the bullshit cap on reps, the states these people move to will lose representative power (they will gain in absolute terms, but not in proportion) while the states they left will become even more diehard fundamentalist shit holes.

And then you get to the moral argument of collectively punishing a bunch of people that might not have voted for this system at all, again because BS first past the post voting and election interference rigging 50+% of the population there might not even agree with the rules but don't have a clean way to do anything about it.

 

[ondma]

Republicans did this to themselves. This whole situation can do nothing but hurt them.

Yea, I agree. IMO, the main issue that can really destroy the Reps chances in the coming elections is these ridiculous stances on abortion. They have a lot of issues to attack the dems on: the economy, the border, international conflict, crime, but the voters have consistently show they strongly disapprove of such extreme anti-abortion stances. I can understand "pro life" to an extent, with reasonable time limits and exceptions for rape/incest, but this Texas case is just absurd. (IMO, Roe was a reasonable compromise before it was overturned)

PS. Yes, I know that statistically the economy is not that bad, and crime is down, but voters do not feel that way.

 

[brycejones]

Yea, I agree. IMO, the main issue that can really destroy the Reps chances in the coming elections is these ridiculous stances on abortion. They have a lot of issues to attack the dems on: the economy, the border, international conflict, crime, but the voters have consistently show they strongly disapprove of such extreme anti-abortion stances. I can understand "pro life" to an extent, with reasonable time limits and exceptions for rape/incest, but this Texas case is just absurd. (IMO, Roe was a reasonable compromise before it was overturned)

PS. Yes, I know that statistically the economy is not that bad, and crime is down, but voters do not feel that way.

Please remind us what wars we are in as well?

 

[Sunburn74]

Do you have any idea how freaking hard it is to transfer patients to even a tertiary care center? Crossing state lines is an absolute nightmare. I literally have to call every hospital, make sure they have a bed (they dont), convince a doctor to take the case and accept the responsibility of the procedure then nightmare through insurance across state lines. Not to mention EMTALA and/or aiding an abortion by transferring them. It's actually easier for patients to leave against medical advice and drive themselves to a different ER.

I'm trying to transfer two patients now for other reasons. One is on day 3 of waiting, the other day 2.

It's not that hard. It's mostly a matter of stating a case that a service is necessary and can't be done at your facility with the other facility being the closest that can based on the situation. If the case is clear, physicians will not refuse and you simply wait for a bed and the insurance situation to play out.

As to the aiding abortion, firstly that law likely doesn't apply to out of state procedures (can Texans sue an airline that transported a woman? Or a credit card company that covered an out of state procedure? You get the point) and secondarily the referral is for consultation for treatment. You may want an abortion but ultimately you can't force a doctor to do anything they don't think is indicated. All referrals for transfer ultimately are for consultation

You're right in that people can be advised to leave an er and go to another but that can also be an emtala violation particularly if transfer could have been coordinated. If someone died for example whilst driving from ER to ER, that hospital would be absolutely destroyed legally. Admitting someone for stabilization to facilitate a safe transfer is the very thing emtala wishes to see happen.

 

[mikeymikec]

part of methinks we should just let the monsters in these fucking shithole states be as monstrous to their people as they want to be, until the rest can't take it anymore and just unload on those fucking asshole republican garbage humans.

Let them actually live under the consequences of their votes (not that most of these people vote that way, due to GQP gerrymandering and all other forms of absolute election fraud that they commit every single year).

But republican voters, especially, need to absolutely be treated like the filth that they vote to be treated as, and driven into the ground by the monstrous pieces of shit that they happily vote for.

Until Republicans are allowed to fully unleash their anti-human campaign of terror on all of their constituents without any kind of federal support masking the truth of their policies, then they will never be destroyed. The Republican party must end, and i think we need to let them kill themselves through the results of their own policies and diseased ideologies.

This is a bad idea.

When people grow up in a given set of conditions, it sets the mold of what they believe is truly possible, always relative to that starting point. People often will think that the suffering they endured is "character building", that's the way it ought to be because look how they turned out.

I completely agree with the sentiment though, I'd love the idea that people are victims of the policies they advocate but it's wishful thinking that the more sly conservatives will have shielded themselves from the consequences of, e.g. wealthy men are at less risk of the consequences of hostile-to-women abortion laws.

IMO conservatism must end. It's a scam that breeds hate.

 

[kitkat22]

It's not that hard. It's mostly a matter of stating a case that a service is necessary and can't be done at your facility with the other facility being the closest that can based on the situation. If the case is clear, physicians will not refuse and you simply wait for a bed and the insurance situation to play out.

As to the aiding abortion, firstly that law likely doesn't apply to out of state procedures (can Texans sue an airline that transported a woman? Or a credit card company that covered an out of state procedure? You get the point) and secondarily the referral is for consultation for treatment. You may want an abortion but ultimately you can't force a doctor to do anything they don't think is indicated. All referrals for transfer ultimately are for consultation

You're right in that people can be advised to leave an er and go to another but that can also be an emtala violation particularly if transfer could have been coordinated. If someone died for example whilst driving from ER to ER, that hospital would be absolutely destroyed legally. Admitting someone for stabilization to facilitate a safe transfer is the very thing emtala wishes to see happen.

Wow, you need to practice in health care. BTW, im still waiting on patients to transfer to a higher level of care for needed services. When we calll our transfer center we get put on a wait list now. Sometimes 30 deep. That's in addition to all the admits in the ER. Maybe it's better in other places but not where I practice. Do you practice medicine?

The transferring physician could be held liable by the state and lose their license. We're running into weird stuff in ID too. Oncology docs are refusing pregnant patients with cancer because chemo can induce an abortion. Talked to 2 different oncologists that wanted to open practice in ID. Now they are not.

Keep trying for those beds.

 

[kitkat22]

Even with cardiac patients, we have to fight tooth and nail to get them heart caths. Why? No beds. No staff. Our system opened a separate wing just for cardiac patients as a "holding space" until they get a hospital bed.

 

[kitkat22]

Had a patient that needed a very specialized service. Took weeks to fight with insurance to who was going to pay the transport. Life fighting a patient often leaves them with a ridiculously high bill. Usually in the 10s of thousands.

We are the regional medical hub for the Inland NW. I've taken patients from WY, OR, ID, and Montana. We are insanely busy all the time.

 

[kitkat22]

Many of these laws target physicians because we are money grabbing idiots in in for the cash. We need our fearless leaders to make these decisions for us. Many of the laws strictly forbid in state docs from transferring patients out of state for this purpose. It's also similar for gender affirming care.

 

[kitkat22]

One more example that references the oncologists. Let's say a pregnant individual is 6-8 weeks pregnant and gets AML. Untreated AML has a life expectancy of about 5 months and outcomes get worse and worse the longer it's left untreated. Induction chemotherapy is teratogenic and will cause an abortion. It is standard of care in every other state to have the individual have an abortion before starting treatment for individual diagnosed in the first trimester. 2nd and 3rd trimesters have potentially better outcomes for the fetus, but the complication rate remains high and there is no standard consensus for timing of chemotherapy vs risk for fetal survival. Fetal complications remain at roughly 16% though fetal survival is about 87%. Maternal survival is only 30%.

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[MrSquished]

Are we there yet? Calling the Republicans what they are? Evil? Can we finally tell the truth?

 

[Fenixgoon]

Are we there yet? Calling the Republicans what they are? Evil? Can we finally tell the truth?

Quit being so divisive! /S

 

[akugami]

IMO there should have been a third poll option:

No, but I'm still going to vote for the GQP.

That's pretty much the whole GQP cult.

Sane People: You're a racist asshole.

GQP Cult Member: I'm not racist! It's only a coincidence that I vote for the most racist fucking assholes out there!

 

[akugami]

Are we there yet? Calling the Republicans what they are? Evil? Can we finally tell the truth?

I thought we already were there?

At least the sane half of the US. The other half are bible thumpers, and want to stick their bible up a woman's crotch.