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Vic

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So that’s yes to investigating to determine if threat exists or not, right? Otherwise, how does your quip make sense? Who determines if a “threat” is just “aggressive” words, whatever that means, or a true threat?
Hurley once sent me a bizarre PM wherein he argued that a US military general's call for Americans to be murdered for their speech should be protected as free speech. And the irony in the whole thing is that, in his defense of free speech, he never once stopped to question the morality of said speech or, more importantly, his bias is not considering that the speech could have been directed towards him.
Think about that.
 

Vic

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A "true threat" is a criminal threat of violence. And I said that I'm OK with prosecuting those. How exactly am I being apologetic?

Feel free to provide receipts anyway.

You are apologetic in that you support would-be murderers when you identify with them politically. And I have those receipts, thank you very much.
 

HurleyBird

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Hurley once sent me a bizarre PM wherein he argued that a US military general's call for Americans to be murdered for their speech should be protected as free speech.

You're thinking of someone else. Double check your conversations, and then edit your posts please.
 

Vic

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I'm trying to imagine a world where black parents complained to predominately white school boards through death threats and there was an Congressional inquiry to support such death threats. Crazy shit, right? But Republicans aren't racist, amirite?
 

HurleyBird

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Fuck off.

I was perfectly cordial for being falsely accused of something. What the hell is wrong with you that you think it's appropriate to tell me to "fuck off" when you're in the wrong? Don't throw a tantrum. Check you conversations, then man up and admit your mistake.
 

Vic

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I was perfectly cordial for being falsely accused of something. What the hell is wrong with you that you think it's appropriate to tell me to "fuck off" when you're in the wrong? Don't throw a tantrum. Check you conversations, then man up and admit your mistake.

The only mistake being made here is from the clown who supports murdering people he disagrees with politically... and actually believes expressing such bullshit is cordial.
 
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HurleyBird

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The only mistake being made here is from the clown who supports murdering people he disagrees with politically... and actually believes expressing such bullshit is cordial.

What are you on about? No one here is for murdering their political enemies and it would be incredibly dishonest to accuse even the most rabid left or right-wing ideologue on this forum of that particular charge, let alone someone who doesn't even identify as a conservative.

I voted yes in the poll, and said that I support prosecution of true threats. But based on these attacks, you'd think I voted against and said no. What's the deal here?

Even if I were everything you think I am, if you aren't a man-baby you need to man the fuck up and admit you made a mistake. Wronging a bad person doesn't right the wrong. The fact you don't think you need to apologize because it's me, and even go as far to attack me for asking for a correction, betrays a very warped morality.
 

Vic

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What are you on about? No one here is for murdering their political enemies and it would be incredibly dishonest to accuse even the most rabid left or right-wing ideologue on this forum of that particular charge, let alone someone who doesn't even identify as a conservative.

I voted yes in the poll, and said that I support prosecution of true threats. But based on these attacks, you'd think I voted against and said no. What's the deal here?

Even if I were everything you think I am, if you aren't a man-baby you need to man the fuck up and admit you made a mistake. Wronging a bad person doesn't right the wrong. The fact you don't think you need to apologize because it's me, and even go as far to attack me for asking for a correction, betrays a very warped morality.

Ah... look at the dipshit who's upset about being called out for defending violent criminality, such as making death threats.
 

Vic

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You see, no one is for murdering their fellow Americans, but if a US military general says that murdering Americans 'should happen here,' that's just free speech, right?
And if whackos across the country make credible threats of violence, that too is supposed to be free speech, if they align to a particular party, right?
This mindset, openly espoused by some here, is inherently antithetical to the basic notions of freedom, and should be condemned. Free speech does not include any right to suppress the free speech of others through threats of violence, or through the use of govt force.
 
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HurleyBird

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You see, no one is for murdering their fellow Americans, but if a US military general says that murdering Americans 'should happen here,' that's just free speech, right?

You're talking about the PM you accused me of sending? Again, check your conversations, and then kindly retract the accusation once you fail to find it or discover it was another poster.

And if whackos across the country make credible threats of violence, that too is supposed to be free speech, if they align to a particular party, right?

No, you liar. Quote me where I said that. I explicitly said the opposite: true threats should be prosecuted.
 

Vic

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You're talking about the PM you accused me of sending? Again, check your conversations, and then kindly retract the accusation once you fail to find it or discover it was another poster.



No, you liar. Quote me where I said that. I explicitly said the opposite. True threats should be prosecuted.
It's so weird to encounter a level of bias this unconscious to itself.
Tell ya what, if you can provide an example of black parents issuing death threats to white school members for upholding the law, and you spoke out in favor of the black parents, I will take back everything.
 

HurleyBird

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It's so weird to encounter a level of bias this unconscious to itself.
Tell ya what, if you can provide an example of black parents issuing death threats to white school members for upholding the law, and you spoke out in favor of the black parents, I will take back everything.

I wouldn't defend black parents issuing true threats, and if I had made such a defense the correct response would be to call me out on it, not apologize to me! The same goes for white parents. I haven't defended them making true threats either. If you think that a wrong magically becomes a right based on the color a subject's skin, then congratulation, you're aligned with the KKK.

You're a pedophile, Vic. If you disagree, then prove that you aren't one.

That's how absurd your attack is. Either provide the receipts or apologize. You made the accusation, the burden of proof is on you.
 

FelixDeCat

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Have you ever once condemned those people for the Jan 6 insurrection?

I know exactly how people like you think. That why I have over 1/2 dozen deplorable predictions. Most months in advance.

I condemn all political violence. And I have done this too many times to count. You just dont pay attention when I do. Not once have I supported the 1/6 riot.

And as far as the topic is concerned, if the FBI wants to waste its time "investigating" people who shoot off their mouths at meetings because they are hot under the collar about over reaching mandates, who are we to stop them? And as far of those who threaten actual physical violence there are laws on the books against it which can be dealt with locally.

Why do I condemn all political violence? Violence tends to get out of hand as passions rage. And eventually people wind up injured or dead or innocent people's property is looted or burned.

You can peacefully protest all you want. You can wear black clothing if you like. You can attend a school board meeting and tell them you oppose mask usage and vaccine mandates, etc. But the minute you start hurting other people, even those that oppose your point of view, you have crossed the line.

And no, you cant break their windows or destroy their property either. You also cant start stealing things from a store because you are upset over something, but if you do, you should be punished.
 
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HomerJS

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I condemn all political violence. And I have done this too many times to count. You just dont pay attention when I do. Not once have I supported the 1/6 riot.

And as far as the topic is concerned, if the FBI wants to waste its time "investigating" people who shoot off their mouths at meetings because they are hot under the collar about over reaching mandates, who are we to stop them? And as far of those who threaten actual physical violence there are laws on the books against it which can be dealt with locally.

Why do I condemn all political violence? Violence tends to get out of hand as passions rage. And eventually people wind up injured or dead or innocent people's property is looted or burned.

You can peacefully protest all you want. You can wear black clothing if you like. You can attend a school board meeting and tell them you oppose mask usage and vaccine mandates, etc. But the minute you start hurting other people, even those that oppose your point of view, you have crossed the line.

And no, you cant break their windows or destroy their property either. You also cant start stealing things from a store because you are upset over something, but if you do, you should be punished.
Political violence in this response is a clever attempt to #allsides every violent incident.

When shootings took place at a BLM rally in Dallas it turned out to be a mentally disturbed ex-military person. Violence was not threatened or planned by BLM nor was destruction planned by BLM. Property destruction while deplorable sometimes happens at these events most of the time by bad actors. You get this same kind of property destruction when professional teams win championships. Sometimes dumb people do dumb shit. I personally attended multiple BLM rallies in a location some would consider problematic in the city of Philadelphia. In all cases people went out of their way to ensure violence didn't break out.

The attack on the capital was a unique attack on the federal government very similar to 9/11 except the number of people that died as a result. I've never seen BLM try to kill, kidnap, plant bombs or execute an armed insurrection against the government

The response "all political violence" is like saying all politicians lie to mollify the actions of Donald Trump. Yes every human being lies but to excuse the 30,000 by saying Obama lies too is at best a joke at worst intellectually dishonest.

When the Benghazi hearings went on for almost 4 years Democrats didn't try to introduce all middle eastern violence. Why? Because the attack on our embassy was a singular unique event that warrant treatment as such. Republicans went off the rails trying to blame Hillary.

When property destruction happened during protests I condemned it for being not only wrong on it's face but blurred the real objectives.

That's why your response is disingenuous and hollow.
 
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FelixDeCat

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Political violence in this response is a clever attempt to #allsides every violent incident.

When shootings took place at a BLM rally in Dallas it turned out to be a mentally disturbed ex-military person. Violence was not threatened or planned by BLM nor was destruction planned by BLM. Property destruction while deplorable sometimes happens at these events most of the time by bad actors. You get this same kind of property destruction when professional teams win championships. Sometimes dumb people do dumb shit. I personally attended multiple BLM rallies in a location some would consider problematic in the city of Philadelphia. In all cases people went out of their way to ensure violence didn't break out.

The attack on the capital was a unique attack on the federal government very similar to 9/11 except the number of people that died as a result. I've never seen BLM try to kill, kidnap, plant bombs or execute an armed insurrection against the government

The response "all political violence" is like saying all politicians lie to mollify the actions of Donald Trump. Yes every human being lies but to excuse the 30,000 by saying Obama lies too is at best a joke at worst intellectually dishonest.

When the Benghazi hearings went on for almost 4 years Democrats didn't try to introduce all middle eastern violence. Why? Because the attack on our embassy was a singular unique event that warrant treatment as such. Republicans went off the rails trying to blame Hillary.

When property destruction happened during protests I condemned it for being not only wrong on it's face but blurred the real objectives.

That's why your response is disingenuous and hollow.

You just can't bring yourself to publicly agree with me completly because you don't want to lose your credibility in front of the left wingers here which is disingenuous and hollow.

However I am glad we can find some common ground.
 

hal2kilo

Lifer
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Here you go. Man pleads guilty to firing at Minneapolis precinct.



Also. You claims are false. The Jan 6 people were not treated more harshly. If anything the fact that basically no one was arrested while storming the capital and trying to subvert democracy speaks otherwise.


You are either incredibly intellectually dishonest or just manipulated by conservative talking points.
It can be both.
 

HomerJS

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You just can't bring yourself to publicly agree with me completly because you don't want to lose your credibility in front of the left wingers here which is disingenuous and hollow.

However I am glad we can find some common ground.
I have agreed with you on things in the past. However if you are going to equate someone throwing a trash can through a window or looting during a planned peaceful protest so people like me can get equitable treatment by the police vs a bunch of white nationalist Trump supporters invading the capital, attacking the police threatening to kill and kidnap people all over a big lie then I can't help you.

Sorry for the run on sentence but I'm not a skilled writer and a shitty typist.
 

FelixDeCat

Lifer
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Is this a federal issue?

Of course not.

When the last administration was in office, all the democrats were chanting "resist! resist!"

Now they chant "comply! comply!" (with the vaccine mandate and masking reqs).

Or we will sick the FBI on you!
 
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raildogg

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Too much politics, too little logic. Both sides are stupid because the ruling class is taking advantage of both sides. The right wing radio and other media are riling up their listeners. The left wingers are obedient to their latest woke ideology flavor of the month. Many parents are very political and sound like they belong in congress or something. Very few sane people left it seems.
 
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IronWing

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Left wing agitators are dangerous and liable to burn down your city at any time. There is nothing confusing about that.

And the Jan 6th perps have had the weight of the gov upon them from the beginning for committing crimes.

Dont you think its time for the same standard to be applied equally?
Fuck off, traitor.
 

MrSquished

Lifer
Jan 14, 2013
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Too much politics, too little logic. Both sides are stupid because the ruling class is taking advantage of both sides. The right wing radio and other media are riling up their listeners. The left wingers are obedient to their latest woke ideology flavor of the month. Many parents are very political and sound like they belong in congress or something. Very few sane people left it seems.
The problem is you think you are sane. You're a fucking lunatic with a faint grasp on reality
 

raildogg

Lifer
Aug 24, 2004
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The problem is you think you are sane. You're a fucking lunatic with a faint grasp on reality
Are you another shitlib who is constantly looking down other others? Sounds like it. Your snobbery is going to help the right wing win the next few elections. This is coming from a non-right winger, LOL.
 

FelixDeCat

Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
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Too much politics, too little logic. Both sides are stupid because the ruling class is taking advantage of both sides. The right wing radio and other media are riling up their listeners. The left wingers are obedient to their latest woke ideology flavor of the month. Many parents are very political and sound like they belong in congress or something. Very few sane people left it seems.

Sigh. I hate left wing and right wing programming. They only rile people up to get views, clicks, etc. You can blame Rush Limbaugh for this.
 
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