Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: Harvey
Interesting theory from someone who will never have to live through the experience. I can't argue with your good intentions, but in practice, that doesn't work very easily or very well back on nearby friendly planet Earth.Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: Harvey
You are simply not qualified to comment, and you won't know squat about it until you have personally been a pregnant 14 year old girl or any other female who has to live the rest of her life with the burden of an unwanted child, or the woman who has to risk death to continue a pregnancy.
Or maybe she could could give the child up for adoption and live her life with the satisfaction of knowing that she brought great joy to a couple who couldn't have children on their own.
One study found that a teenager is ten times more likely to attempt suicide if she has had an abortion in the last six months than a teenage girl who has not. Another study of women suffering post-abortion trauma found that 60 percent had suicidal thoughts, 28 percent had attempted suicide, and 18 percent had tried more than once, sometimes years after their abortions. (Garfinkel et al, "Stress, depression and suicide: A study of adolescents in Minnesota," University of Minnesota Extension Service, 1986; Reardon, "A survey of psychological reactions," The Elliot Institute, 1987)
Let's see, have the child, put it up for adoption and have the satisfaction of knowing you brought joy to a childless couple, or kill the child and or place yourself at a 10X greater risk of suicide.
Seems like an easy decision to me.
To know that genocide is wrong, do I have to be a Jew in Germany in the 1940s?Originally posted by: Geekbabe
Of course it's an easy choice to you,you're not 14 and you're not female.
No, but if you are too dense to comprehend the problem, otherwise, being the actual rape victimit wouldn't hurt your ability to understand it.Originally posted by: CycloWizard
To know that genocide is wrong, do I have to be a Jew in Germany in the 1940s?
So you believe women choose to be raped? Stop taking so many stupid pills.Originally posted by: MrPALCO
Let me see if I understand this correctly. Murder is ok for a 14 year old as a solution to pressure brought on by a poor decision? At what age is it not "ok"?
Come again? This time, try forming a complete sentence rather than merging several fragments together because I really have no idea what you just said.Originally posted by: Harvey
No, but if you are too dense to comprehend the problem, otherwise, being the actual rape victimit wouldn't hurt your ability to understand it.Originally posted by: CycloWizard
To know that genocide is wrong, do I have to be a Jew in Germany in the 1940s?
Originally posted by: Geekbabe
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: Harvey
Interesting theory from someone who will never have to live through the experience. I can't argue with your good intentions, but in practice, that doesn't work very easily or very well back on nearby friendly planet Earth.Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: Harvey
You are simply not qualified to comment, and you won't know squat about it until you have personally been a pregnant 14 year old girl or any other female who has to live the rest of her life with the burden of an unwanted child, or the woman who has to risk death to continue a pregnancy.
Or maybe she could could give the child up for adoption and live her life with the satisfaction of knowing that she brought great joy to a couple who couldn't have children on their own.
One study found that a teenager is ten times more likely to attempt suicide if she has had an abortion in the last six months than a teenage girl who has not. Another study of women suffering post-abortion trauma found that 60 percent had suicidal thoughts, 28 percent had attempted suicide, and 18 percent had tried more than once, sometimes years after their abortions. (Garfinkel et al, "Stress, depression and suicide: A study of adolescents in Minnesota," University of Minnesota Extension Service, 1986; Reardon, "A survey of psychological reactions," The Elliot Institute, 1987)
Let's see, have the child, put it up for adoption and have the satisfaction of knowing you brought joy to a childless couple, or kill the child and or place yourself at a 10X greater risk of suicide.
Seems like an easy decision to me.
Of course it's an easy choice to you,you're not 14 and you're not female.
Go back to school. The sentence if fine. It's your comprehesion skills that are falling short.Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Come again? This time, try forming a complete sentence rather than merging several fragments together because I really have no idea what you just said.
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Most industries don't make their money off of deception leading to killing, which is why some of us take special exception to this one.Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Sounds like most industries.
If everyone is going to complain about the bias of his studies, maybe you should comment on the results that I present in more scientific studies. Instead, since they also don't meet your agenda, you just ignore them. Reminds me of third grade all over again - maybe if I ignore it (the facts), they'll just go away!Originally posted by: Sunner
Aside from the fact that this study is obviously very biased, the bolded part says quite a bit.
Yeah, if a woman is mentally unstable to begin with, I agree, abortion is probably not a very healthy thing, but then again, neither is pregnancy, a mentally unstable person should be taken care of.
That's like the video game <-> violence link, sure playing CS, Postal, etc etc for hours on might drive an already unstable person into doing things like shooting his friends, teachers, whatever, but that doesn't mean video games are inherently dangerous.
Oh and you can just stop posting "facts" from your antiabortion sites, no $hit they'll have lots of anti abortion propaganda there, I could figure that out just fine without your help :roll:
It sure sounds very objective :roll:Like the suicide clinics described above, abortion clinics also exploit desperate people. They promise to release clients from the darkness of their despair. They appeal to our consumer society's demand for instant solutions to all our problems. They pose as places of compassion, but they are actually reaping huge profits through the harvest of the lonely, frightened, and confused people who are "unwanted" by society. In place of life, they offer the "compassion" of death.
Granting the wish for suicide or abortion is not an aid to desperate people. It is abandonment. It is a false compassion that protects us from getting entangled in the "personal problems" of others. It is "cheap love."
To those who look deeply, and care deeply, it is clear that people who express a desire for suicide or abortion are really crying out for help. They are crying out for the support and encouragement to choose life, cherish life, and rejoice in life. They are crying out for an infusion of hope.
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
To know that genocide is wrong, do I have to be a Jew in Germany in the 1940s?Originally posted by: Geekbabe
Of course it's an easy choice to you,you're not 14 and you're not female.
Originally posted by: MrPALCO
"Of course it's an easy choice to you,you're not 14 and you're not female."
Let me see if I understand this correctly. Murder is ok for a 14 year old as a solution to pressure brought on by a poor decision? At what age is it not "ok"?
Originally posted by: MrPALCO
"Of course it's an easy choice to you,you're not 14 and you're not female."
Would this 14 year old be correct in murdering her father and mother for not giving her the clothes, car and college of her choice? Would this refusal ?ruin? the life she had planned?
I am trying to understand the Liberal mind that would murder a complete innocent but fight tooth and nail to excuse a man like Saddam.
Originally posted by: MrPALCO
The twisted spirit says:
?Scraping a fetus off the uterus wall is the moral equivalent of clipping your toe-nails, or having your appendix removed.?
Thank you.
It is seldom that the ugliness of the liberal spirit is more clearly displayed.
Let me ask you a question. Have you ever seen one of these ?scrapings? in a medical waste can?
You would see a baby made in the image of God that has just been cut to pieces.
The good news is your ability to murder the innocent is quickly being shut down. The evil that you defend will reap the same result that it has forced upon the innocent.
Originally posted by: MrPALCO
"Of course it's an easy choice to you,you're not 14 and you're not female."
Let me see if I understand this correctly. Murder is ok for a 14 year old as a solution to pressure brought on by a poor decision? At what age is it not "ok"?
Of course when that human being is a homosexual, then advocating death is okay.Originally posted by: MrPALCO
You would see a baby made in the image of God that has just been cut to pieces.
Originally posted by: beyoku
For the record lemme state my thought on the whole thing.
1. - I am against abortions.
2. - Abortion should NOT be illegal.
3. - If a woman wants to abort her child, then so be it. If a woman wants to abort MY child - this is a problem, a "Family" issue and not simply a "Womans right to choose." A man doesnt have the right to "Choose" if he wants to take care of his kids so why should she have a choice (against his wishes) in regards to carrying the child full term. Since the father will have to pay for the child until the child is 18 can he "choose" to have the child aborted - and just do it manually - NO. It is not simply a "womans right to choose" Sometimes it is a family issue.
Originally posted by: Geekbabe
You're so right, why it seems I can't turn on the tv or pick up a newspaper without seeing reports of riots at abortion clinics that are being overun with desparate,sobbing men begging women not to abort their unborn babies.
From what I know the abortion choice is generally one that is made jointly by a couple, the right to choice has also benefitted thousands of men !
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Geekbabe
You're so right, why it seems I can't turn on the tv or pick up a newspaper without seeing reports of riots at abortion clinics that are being overun with desparate,sobbing men begging women not to abort their unborn babies.
From what I know the abortion choice is generally one that is made jointly by a couple, the right to choice has also benefitted thousands of men !
Don't you love having your body dictated by men?
You gotta love the many of them posting right here in P&N.
Originally posted by: MrPALCO
?I have always held that the abortion decision is not one that is made lightly or easily,it stands to reason that such a serious matter would come with some emotional after effects... but so would carrying a pregnancy to term.?
Are you looking for some kind of ?pass? for not taking your decision to murder an innocent child lightly?
What of the women with 5 screaming children whose husband has craped out on his responsibility. Should she have the ?right to choose? not to spend the remainder of her days working thru an event that did not pan out for her? Would murder be an option in her case? Of course not, God forbid!
Come on here, I completely understand the difficulties that we all face.
Murder is the coward?s way out.