Poll: Shutdown damaging GOP/Tea Party, actually HELPING Obamacare....

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Lifer
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I wonder, how long does this have to happen for Republicans to continue their charade?

The Republican Party has been badly damaged in the ongoing government shutdown and debt limit standoff, with a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll finding that a majority of Americans blame the GOP for the shutdown, and with the party’s popularity declining to its lowest level.

By a 22-point margin (53 percent to 31 percent), the public blames the Republican Party more for the shutdown than President Barack Obama – a wider margin of blame for the GOP than the party received during the poll during the last shutdown in 1995-96.

Just 24 percent of respondents have a favorable opinion about the GOP, and only 21 percent have a favorable view of the Tea Party, which are both at all-time lows in the history of poll.

And one year until next fall’s midterm elections, American voters prefer a Democratic-controlled Congress to a Republican-controlled one by eight percentage points (47 percent to 39 percent), up from the Democrats’ three-point advantage last month (46 percent to 43 percent).

What’s more, Obama’s political standing has remained relatively stable since the shutdown, with his approval rating ticking up two points since last month, and with the Democratic Party’s favorability rating declining just three points (from 42 percent to 39 percent).

“If it were not so bad for the country, the results could almost make a Democrat smile,” says Democratic pollster Peter D. Hart, who conducted the survey with Republican pollster Bill McInturff.

“These numbers lead to one inescapable conclusion: The Republicans are not tone deaf; they are stone deaf.”

A ‘boomerang’ effect for the GOP

Yet what is perhaps even more worrisome for the GOP is the “boomerang” effect: As the party has used the shutdown and fiscal fight to campaign against the nation’s health-care law and for limited government, the poll shows those efforts have backfired.

For one thing, the health-care law has become more popular since the shutdown began. Thirty-eight percent see the Affordable Care Act (or “Obamacare”) as a good idea, versus 43 percent who see it as a bad idea – up from 31 percent good idea, 44 percent bad idea last month.

In addition, 50 percent say they oppose totally eliminating funding for the law, even if it that means a partial shutdown of the government. That’s up from 46 percent who said they opposed that move in a Sept. 2013 CNBC poll.


And by a 52-percent-to-44 percent difference, respondents believe the government should do more to solve problems. Back in June, the public was split, 48 percent to 48 percent, on whether the government should do more or less.

Republicans and Democrats are debating a possible short term debt extension, but it's uncertain what each side would have to give. NBC's Mark Murray discusses.

“That is an ideological boomerang,” says McInturff, the GOP pollster. “As the debate has been going on, if there is a break, there is a break against the Republican position.”

Obama’s approval rating ticks up to 47 percent

While the shutdown has wounded the Republican Party, Obama’s overall political standing remains stable in the poll.

Forty-seven percent of Americans approve of his job performance, which is actually up two points from last month (though that’s within the survey’s margin of error).

That’s compared with just 24 percent who approve of congressional Republicans, and 36 percent who approve of congressional Democrats.

Obama – with a 47 percent favorable, 41 percent unfavorable rating – also is the most popular political figure or institution in the poll, surpassing the Democratic Party (39 percent favorable/40 percent unfavorable); Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas (14 percent favorable/28 percent unfavorable); Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (18 percent favorable/32 percent unfavorable); and House Speaker John Boehner (17 percent favorable/42 percent unfavorable).

At the bottom of the list are the Tea Party (21 percent favorable/47 percent unfavorable) and the Republican Party (24 percent favorable/53 percent unfavorable) – their lowest favorable numbers in the history of the poll.
And 46 percent of respondents say the president, during this budget standoff, has been a strong leader and is standing up for what he believes in, versus 51 percent who believe he’s putting his own political agenda ahead of what’s good for the country.

By comparison, a whopping 70 percent say congressional Republicans are putting politics first.

“Obama comes into the fight in as good of shape as he entered it,” says Hart, the Democratic pollster.

But there is one silver lining for Republicans: By a 43-percent-to-40 percent margin, the public disagrees with Obama’s position that he will not negotiate with the Republicans until they reopen government and raise the debt ceiling.

Economic confidence drops like a rock

Beyond the politics, the poll finds that the government shutdown and the debate over raising the debt ceiling have made Americans more pessimistic about the country’s direction and economy.

Just 14 percent believe the nation is headed in the right direction – a 16-point drop from last month. In fact, the last time it reached this level in the NBC/WSJ poll was during the 2008 financial crisis.

In addition, only 17 percent think the U.S. economy will improve in the next 12 months, which is down 10 points from September.

And 63 percent say the budget negotiations between Obama and congressional Republicans have made them less confident about the economy.

“All you can say is – what a waste,” Hart says about the government shutdown and fiscal standoff.

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/10/20903624-nbcwsj-poll-shutdown-debate-damages-gop?lite
 

Paratus

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Liberal lies from the MSM! The polls are wrong just like during the election! The country is behind the Tea Party.





 

exdeath

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What do you expect when the country is being overrun by lazy fat asses who vote D to get free shit and damn the consequences for the long run as long as they can afford chrome spinning rims and flat screen TVs on their minimum wage elementary school dropout incomes?

Guess the rest of us will have to start playing the same game soon, eg cash payments, etc. to avoid being affected.
 
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michal1980

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national polls vs local polls. I'd like to see what the republicans are seeing at home from their voters vs this overall noise.

no one California is voting for curze.
 

Dannar26

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What do you expect when the country is being overrun by lazy fat asses who vote D to get free shit and damn the consequences for the long run as long as they can afford chrome spinning rims and flat screen TVs on their minimum wage elementary school dropout incomes?

Shhh, don't use this argument! They can't counteract it!

Then they'll just ignore it and go back to specifically targeting Christians and playing race cards.
 

Jimzz

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Shhh, don't use this argument! They can't counteract it!

Then they'll just ignore it and go back to specifically targeting Christians and playing race cards.


You mean except that the biggest states that take more than they give are considered red/republican?

 

xBiffx

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You mean except that the biggest states that take more than they give are considered red/republican?


Time to update your propaganda. There are a few red states on that list that haven't been in years.
 

Tom

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Hmmm doesn't look like ACA has as high an approval rating as NBC would like us to think.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_and_democrats_health_care_plan-1130.html

Doesn't look like Obama's winning in this battle either.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html

Why would the ACA have a high approval rating when there's been a very concerted effort to associate it with the end of civilization for several years ?
 

woolfe9998

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Hmmm doesn't look like ACA has as high an approval rating as NBC would like us to think.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_and_democrats_health_care_plan-1130.html

Doesn't look like Obama's winning in this battle either.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html

It's NBC/WSJ, not NBC, though I'm sure that omission was an accident.

Anyway, I don't get why you think your conclusions are supported by the RCP links. The NBC/WSJ poll approval for the ACA is dead on the RCP average.

As to Obama's approval, sure the NBC/WSJ is a little above the mean, but look back several months. His approval has not declined much but overall remained relatively stable, meaning he is not apparently taking a hit here, certainly not the large hit which every poll has shown the GOP taking.
 
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GuitarDaddy

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The last election proved that the republicans have their heads in the sand and only pay attention to polls that support their position.

Hell the teaparty still claims to speak for the majority of Americans when they have never polled higher than the mid 20 percent range on any polls ever.
 

dank69

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The last election proved that the republicans have their heads in the sand and only pay attention to polls that support their position.

Hell the teaparty still claims to speak for the majority of Americans when they have never polled higher than the mid 20 percent range on any polls ever.
That's because they speak for Real Americans™
 

Mxylplyx

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The last election proved that the republicans have their heads in the sand and only pay attention to polls that support their position.

Hell the teaparty still claims to speak for the majority of Americans when they have never polled higher than the mid 20 percent range on any polls ever.

Yep, buddy of mine who is a tea party supported visited drudge yesterday for his daily dose of propaganda, and the headline was a new poll released showing Obama's approval rating had dropped to 37%, which seemed to be an outlier in relation to other recent polls, but regardless, after clicking through and reading through the full poll results, the general gist of it was that Republicans were getting hammered in this ordeal, and had the lowest party approval ratings on record. He only noticed the one poll about Obama, and filtered out the rest.

Furthermore, the latest WSJ poll released today shows Obama's favorability aroud 47 percent, which is inline with most other recent polls, so even the one point he was trying to score rings hollow.
 

Anarchist420

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I see Obama as the bad guy here because the Republicans cave into his ass every fucking time.

Obama is the most hard nosed and uncompromising president since Andrew Jackson.
 

thraashman

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Shhh, don't use this argument! They can't counteract it!

Then they'll just ignore it and go back to specifically targeting Christians and playing race cards.

It's not that we can't counteract it. It's that the argument is so stupid to begin with that it's not worth our time. It'd be like if someone was talking to you and insisted that Batman & Robin was the best superhero movie of all time. You could try to point out how bad the movie is and how dumb it is to call it great, but you quickly realize you're arguing with someone who is either ignorant, stupid, or fucking crazy. And that's what you are to us when you make dumbass arguments like this. You're the guy who likes Batman & Robin...
 

Zaap

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lol says a guy going full retard about some movie vs. an issue in the real world.
 
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I see Obama as the bad guy here because the Republicans cave into his ass every fucking time.

Obama is the most hard nosed and uncompromising president since Andrew Jackson.

Agree. obama shut down a memorial for WWII veterans and then families of 5 soldiers weren't able to get the death benefits. He is a despicable human being.

He is extremely partisan and very ignorant.

For the OP it doesn't help the Tea Party that the media is doing the dirty work for obama and blaming them for all of this when it was really obamas fault.
 

NaughtyGeek

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Do you consider yourself a supporter of the Tea Party Movement? Yes 20 No 70

Poll
Republican leaning - 32
Democrat Leaning - 43
Voted Obama(D) - 44
Voted Romney(R) - 35

General Election
Voted Obama(D) - 48.8%
Voted Romney(R) - 48.1%

Poll skewed to the left on a left leaning site supporting what the left wants to hear. Color me shocked :-O
 

Mxylplyx

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I see Obama as the bad guy here because the Republicans cave into his ass every fucking time.

Obama is the most hard nosed and uncompromising president since Andrew Jackson.

Owning up to political reality is not caving, any more more than you are caving to the earths gravity. Republicans are a minority governing party, a position they appear to be actively trying to solidify. They don't control the agenda, even if they so desperately want to "believe" they do. The one constant about living in your own information bubble is it ALWAYS inevitably meets the hard truth of reality, usually come election time, which is why another Republican strategy is focused on voter disenfranchisement under the BS guise of combating voter fraud which doesnt exist in any meaningful form. That might pay a few dividends and forestall the inevitable for a little while if it succeeds, but it still doesn't change the reality that Republicans are swimming against the current of history, and they will either adapt to current times or sink into irrelevancy.
 

Mxylplyx

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Agree. obama shut down a memorial for WWII veterans and then families of 5 soldiers weren't able to get the death benefits. He is a despicable human being.

He is extremely partisan and very ignorant.

For the OP it doesn't help the Tea Party that the media is doing the dirty work for obama and blaming them for all of this when it was really obamas fault.

Denying the truth as a vast liberal media conspiracy. How did that work for you in the last election?
 

trenchfoot

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And the rationalization begins.

No rationalizing needed. From an alternate point of view, the poll is scewed due to the fact that the majority of those that would have more "fairly balanced" the poll had their TV's, radios and phones hard wired/optioned to receive only far right wing news stations and eagerly anticipated marching order robo calls on their phones.

Had a poll been conducted through those media outlets the poll results would have shown an exact opposite result.

*I'm sort'a kidding around but then for all I know I nailed it.
 
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