POLL: THE FINAL LCD vs. CRT thread = Lets draw the line!

[Stealth1024]

Until an LCD's really crank up the resolution I'm not interested...

 

[DaviDaVinci]

Besides gaming i can't see the benefit of CRT's over LCD's other then cost when u want a bigger sized monitor. Text is awesome on lcd's.

Anyone care to comment on still graphics? eg photoshop?

 

[Yourself]

Originally posted by: fkloster
RESULTS SO FAR:

LCD winning 2 to 1!!!

??? very surprising to me...:Q

I agree....all you LCD people out there....do you game much? At every LAN I got to there are a couple LCD's and the ghosting is usually pretty bad IMO. That and they can't seem to get the color red right on most LCD's I've seen. Usually an orange-like mixture....


Self

 

[DX2Player]

Originally posted by: LeeTJ

Originally posted by: DX2Player

Originally posted by: LeeTJ

Originally posted by: fkloster
I would also like to know how many people went from Sony 21" GDM-F500R to LCD....

w/o question, the top of the line CRT's are better than the top of the line LCD's, in my opinion anyway.

but when your talking mid range, it's very close but i'd take the LCD.

Low range a $250.00 LCD is better than any crt you can get in the low to low mid range.

bad crt's are really bad.

WHAT!? I have a HITACHI 19" CM721F and it rocks for only $240, you can get a good CRT for a lot less than you can get a good LCD. A good LCD with same viewable size (18") would cost $800. And the 240 one would still beat it in resolution scaling. I dont have any lines across the screne or swirling either.

i don't know where you get that. i have a 19" samsung sitting next to a 17" LCD that cost me $600.00 18 MONTHS ago and they have the exact same viewable size.

you can get a good 17" for $450 to $500 now if you look.

i'm not arguing that LCD's are cheaper but that low end lcd's are preferable to low end CRT's. i hate low end crt's.

Umm 17" LCDs dont have 18" viewable sory

Oh and my monitor is not low end its midrange, low end is 19" KDS for $135 Here

 

[LeeTJ]

Originally posted by: DX2Player
Umm 17" LCDs dont have 18" viewable sory

uhhmmm, 19" crt's don't have 18 in viewable EITHER.

Do you have a 17" lcd in front of you?? I didn't think so. i'm sitting here looking at both a 19" crt and a 17" lcd. don't tell me they aren't the same size. they are both 17" diagonally. an 18" LCD would be bigger than the 19" crt.

SO a 19" CRT = 17" LCD and that's only a good 19" crt.

 

[DX2Player]

Originally posted by: LeeTJ

Originally posted by: DX2Player
Umm 17" LCDs dont have 18" viewable sory

uhhmmm, 19" crt's don't have 18 in viewable EITHER.

Do you have a 17" lcd in front of you?? I didn't think so. i'm sitting here looking at both a 19" crt and a 17" lcd. don't tell me they aren't the same size. they are both 17" diagonally. an 18" LCD would be bigger than the 19" crt.

SO a 19" CRT = 17" LCD and that's only a good 19" crt.

Well maybe your monitor was low end but mine is 18" viewable, telling me i dont know the size of the monitor in front of me


Here

Go to pricewatch and look up the absolutly cheapest LCD at 18" and its $459 and its some shiit like the $135 KDS 19" probably is

Gonna have to spend $600 for same type of midrange quality

 

[HokieESM]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
no option for both? bah, its not as if you have to choose sides

Exactly! I'm running a Dell 1800FP and a Sony G420P side by side.... and I wouldn't want to switch anything. The Dell is awesome for text and general web-browsing (on those midnight library browsings, I frequently turn the CRT off for eye-strain issues).... but the CRT (at least for me) is the ONLY way to go when I'm looking at graphics. Not to mention the higher resolution (I run the CRT at 1600x1200). Can't comment on gaming, though.

 

[LeeTJ]

Originally posted by: DX2Player

Originally posted by: LeeTJ

Originally posted by: DX2Player
Umm 17" LCDs dont have 18" viewable sory

uhhmmm, 19" crt's don't have 18 in viewable EITHER.

Do you have a 17" lcd in front of you?? I didn't think so. i'm sitting here looking at both a 19" crt and a 17" lcd. don't tell me they aren't the same size. they are both 17" diagonally. an 18" LCD would be bigger than the 19" crt.

SO a 19" CRT = 17" LCD and that's only a good 19" crt.

Well maybe your monitor was low end but mine is 18" viewable, telling me i dont know the size of the monitor in front of me


Here

in general, read all the reviews, 17" lcd's are compared to 19" CRTs. MOST 19" CRT's ARE NOT 18" VIEWABLE.

you are still missing the ENTIRE point of my post. OMG. do you not read.

The POINT OF MY POST WAS THAT. a LOW end LCD (even tho MORE EXPENSIVE) Is better than a LOW END CRT. Some of my clients use ENVISION MONITORS and there is NO LCD no matter HOW CHEAP that is worse than an ENVISION monitor.

BTW, my CRT is NOT a Low end. it's a 19" shadow mask SHORT NECK Virtually flat monitor from SAMSUNG. it was considered Mid range when i bought it. it is still as good as most midrange CRT's on the market today.

I stated that HIGH END CRT's are better than high end LCD's but in the low to mid range products the LCD's are the better buy.


BTW i wasn't insulting your POS monitor. I don't give a flying FVCK what you own.

 

[HokieESM]

Originally posted by: LeeTJ

Originally posted by: DX2Player
Umm 17" LCDs dont have 18" viewable sory

uhhmmm, 19" crt's don't have 18 in viewable EITHER.

Do you have a 17" lcd in front of you?? I didn't think so. i'm sitting here looking at both a 19" crt and a 17" lcd. don't tell me they aren't the same size. they are both 17" diagonally. an 18" LCD would be bigger than the 19" crt.

SO a 19" CRT = 17" LCD and that's only a good 19" crt.

Actually, I have an 18" LCD and an 19" CRT (Sony G420P)... and they're the exact same viewable size. 18".

not that it REALLY matters, to a degree, though.... I run them at completely different resolutions.

 

[LeeTJ]

Originally posted by: DX2Player

Originally posted by: LeeTJ

Originally posted by: DX2Player
Umm 17" LCDs dont have 18" viewable sory

uhhmmm, 19" crt's don't have 18 in viewable EITHER.

Do you have a 17" lcd in front of you?? I didn't think so. i'm sitting here looking at both a 19" crt and a 17" lcd. don't tell me they aren't the same size. they are both 17" diagonally. an 18" LCD would be bigger than the 19" crt.

SO a 19" CRT = 17" LCD and that's only a good 19" crt.

Well maybe your monitor was low end but mine is 18" viewable, telling me i dont know the size of the monitor in front of me


Here

Go to pricewatch and look up the absolutly cheapest LCD at 18" and its $459 and its some shiit like the $135 KDS 19" probably is

Gonna have to spend $600 for same type of midrange quality

<Go to pricewatch and look up the absolutly cheapest LCD at 18" and its $459 and its some shiit like the $135 KDS 19" probably is>

huh??? try to post so that it makes sense.

the absolute cheapest LCD 18" will blow away ALL of your low end CRT's. the low end crt's are a waste of money. Flicker, unstable images, heat, size. there is no justification for on.

a 15" low end LCD will blow away any CHEAP POS 19" CRT.

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: Yourself

Originally posted by: fkloster
RESULTS SO FAR:

LCD winning 2 to 1!!!

??? very surprising to me...:Q

I agree....all you LCD people out there....do you game much? At every LAN I got to there are a couple LCD's and the ghosting is usually pretty bad IMO. That and they can't seem to get the color red right on most LCD's I've seen. Usually an orange-like mixture....


Self

I game plenty and use an LCD (and do quite well in the game's I play ). There's no noticeable ghosting in any of the new games I own and play, so you must be talking about older games like CS maybe? Older games with dark colors do exhibit ghosting, but its still playable. Blaming your gaming results on your LCD is like all those jokers out there that say an MX700 isn't good for gaming b/c its cordless or you can't program the 6 extra buttons on it.

I've never blamed my ability to "game" on my equipment, yet somehow I end up laddering in any game that provides one and finish in the top 2 or 3 at the end of a round of multiplayer. I haven't been to a LAN party in a while, but I sure won't miss having to lug my G420 around. Making 1 trip with all my gear will be nice.

Chiz

 

[LeeTJ]

Originally posted by: HokieESM

Originally posted by: LeeTJ

Originally posted by: DX2Player
Umm 17" LCDs dont have 18" viewable sory

uhhmmm, 19" crt's don't have 18 in viewable EITHER.

Do you have a 17" lcd in front of you?? I didn't think so. i'm sitting here looking at both a 19" crt and a 17" lcd. don't tell me they aren't the same size. they are both 17" diagonally. an 18" LCD would be bigger than the 19" crt.

SO a 19" CRT = 17" LCD and that's only a good 19" crt.

Actually, I have an 18" LCD and an 19" CRT (Sony G420P)... and they're the exact same viewable size. 18".

not that it REALLY matters, to a degree, though.... I run them at completely different resolutions.

are all 19" CRT's 18" viewable?? NO.

I clearly said that a HIGH END CRT is better than a HIGH END LCD.

i don't know why we are getting side tracked on the issue of size as size is only ONE of the reasons people buy displays.

I'd take a good 15" LCD over a low to mid range 19" CRT.

 

[DX2Player]

Originally posted by: LeeTJ

Originally posted by: HokieESM

Originally posted by: LeeTJ

Originally posted by: DX2Player
Umm 17" LCDs dont have 18" viewable sory

uhhmmm, 19" crt's don't have 18 in viewable EITHER.

Do you have a 17" lcd in front of you?? I didn't think so. i'm sitting here looking at both a 19" crt and a 17" lcd. don't tell me they aren't the same size. they are both 17" diagonally. an 18" LCD would be bigger than the 19" crt.

SO a 19" CRT = 17" LCD and that's only a good 19" crt.

Actually, I have an 18" LCD and an 19" CRT (Sony G420P)... and they're the exact same viewable size. 18".

not that it REALLY matters, to a degree, though.... I run them at completely different resolutions.

are all 19" CRT's 18" viewable?? NO.

I clearly said that a HIGH END CRT is better than a HIGH END LCD.

i don't know why we are getting side tracked on the issue of size as size is only ONE of the reasons people buy displays.

I'd take a good 15" LCD over a low to mid range 19" CRT.

Do you realize that for the price of a low end LCD, (yes low end LCDS blow just go to store and look they are blurry), you can get a near high end CRT that would compeltly own it.

And if your saying that my $240 monitor is somehow high end beign that its 18' viewable than well for $240 you can get a high end CRT but still cant aford a low end LCD with same viewable

You backed yourself into that one

 

[BentValve]

They are 2 different animals there is really no point in comparing them.

 

[Edman]

I go from an 19"CRT monitor to an 17"LCD, and I´m very happy with this baby, and I do a lot of gaming: NOLF2, GTA3, SOF2, etc, the only thing that I miss from my old CRT is the flexibility with multiple screen resolutions, and don´t just look great with the native resolution that my current LCD has (1280 x 1024).

BTW: The first reason for the change was obvious, SPACE in my little desk!!

 

[HokieESM]

Originally posted by: BentValve
They are 2 different animals there is really no point in comparing them.

Absolutely. They have different strengths and weaknesses. That's why I have both--so that I can utilize whichever one suits me best. After having both, I'm not sure I would ever want to go back to only having one of the two.

 

[fkloster]

Originally posted by: HokieESM

Originally posted by: BentValve
They are 2 different animals there is really no point in comparing them.

Absolutely. They have different strengths and weaknesses. That's why I have both--so that I can utilize whichever one suits me best. After having both, I'm not sure I would ever want to go back to only having one of the two.

They are both animals, and we WILL compare them to one another ...period!

 

[HokieESM]

Originally posted by: fkloster

Originally posted by: HokieESM

Originally posted by: BentValve
They are 2 different animals there is really no point in comparing them.

Absolutely. They have different strengths and weaknesses. That's why I have both--so that I can utilize whichever one suits me best. After having both, I'm not sure I would ever want to go back to only having one of the two.

They are both animals, and we WILL compare them to one another ...period!

Of course you will. And that's not a bad thing. I jut think that BentValve is pointing out that deciding a "clear victor" is going to be difficult.... because they both have strengths and weaknesses (and in this case, a lot of the strengths of CRTs are the weaknesses of LCDs and vice versa). So any "victor" is going to be for some set of circumstances--basically, what the user uses the monitor for.

 

[fkloster]

Originally posted by: HokieESM

Originally posted by: fkloster

Originally posted by: HokieESM

Originally posted by: BentValve
They are 2 different animals there is really no point in comparing them.

Absolutely. They have different strengths and weaknesses. That's why I have both--so that I can utilize whichever one suits me best. After having both, I'm not sure I would ever want to go back to only having one of the two.

They are both animals, and we WILL compare them to one another ...period!

Of course you will. And that's not a bad thing. I jut think that BentValve is pointing out that deciding a "clear victor" is going to be difficult.... because they both have strengths and weaknesses (and in this case, a lot of the strengths of CRTs are the weaknesses of LCDs and vice versa). So any "victor" is going to be for some set of circumstances--basically, what the user uses the monitor for.

A victor will be decided when it is discovered which device has more anandtecher's favor

 

[BentValve]

Originally posted by: fkloster

Originally posted by: HokieESM

Originally posted by: BentValve
They are 2 different animals there is really no point in comparing them.

Absolutely. They have different strengths and weaknesses. That's why I have both--so that I can utilize whichever one suits me best. After having both, I'm not sure I would ever want to go back to only having one of the two.

They are both animals, and we WILL compare them to one another ...period!

ok,

An LCD cannot display 2048x1536 resolution.
No self respecting proffessional graphics artist would ever use an LCD.

LCDs are great for buisness and general purpose use such as web surfing.
AG CRTs are not nearly as good at text as a good LCD.

So yes they are different animals, they each have their place.

 

[BentValve]

Originally posted by: fkloster

Originally posted by: HokieESM

Originally posted by: fkloster

Originally posted by: HokieESM

Originally posted by: BentValve
They are 2 different animals there is really no point in comparing them.

Absolutely. They have different strengths and weaknesses. That's why I have both--so that I can utilize whichever one suits me best. After having both, I'm not sure I would ever want to go back to only having one of the two.

They are both animals, and we WILL compare them to one another ...period!

Of course you will. And that's not a bad thing. I jut think that BentValve is pointing out that deciding a "clear victor" is going to be difficult.... because they both have strengths and weaknesses (and in this case, a lot of the strengths of CRTs are the weaknesses of LCDs and vice versa). So any "victor" is going to be for some set of circumstances--basically, what the user uses the monitor for.

A victor will be decided when it is discovered which device has more anandtecher's favor

Ok J6P, now on the count of three we all jump....one ........two...............

 

[fkloster]

So yes they are different animals, they each have their place.

Correct BentValve, and this thread will decide which device finds its 'place' in a garbage can! I get your point bent valve but lets just see what more people consider 'best' in their opinion...

 

[paralazarguer]

Correct BentValve, and this thread will decide which device finds its 'place' in a garbage can! I get your point bent valve but lets just see what more people consider 'best' in their opinion...

 

[Celeryman]

Well to be fair and honest I have only played two games which really and trully don't stress the monitor, but I am saying that my planar has too many advantages to go back to a regular CRT. Those games are BF and WC3. I have, since the original Wolfenstien been a FPS freak. I do plan on loading up some UT2K3, and when it comes out Doom 3. Up untill about the last couple of months, I really was not considering a LCD. I was actually going to purchase a 21" Sony for my rig but for some reason this monitor caught my eye. I am glad I went with this one. More space, less power consumption, more than adequate gaming performance (for me), and personally I just like the look of the monitor (Doesn't hurt that the monitor has a 3 year warranty, and the supposedly great planar support). So, when evaluating your choices, choose the right one for you. This is a great forum where you can draw from the experience of others to make your choice on hardware. That being said, if you are looking at this from a gaming standpoint LCD's are getting closer by the month to the capability of CRT's. With the advent of 16ms capable LCD's, it simply was the breaking point for me to cross over to the LCD world. I look forward to them making better LCD monitors in the future.

 

[LeeTJ]

Originally posted by: DX2Player

Originally posted by: LeeTJ

Originally posted by: HokieESM

Originally posted by: LeeTJ

Originally posted by: DX2Player
Umm 17" LCDs dont have 18" viewable sory

uhhmmm, 19" crt's don't have 18 in viewable EITHER.

Do you have a 17" lcd in front of you?? I didn't think so. i'm sitting here looking at both a 19" crt and a 17" lcd. don't tell me they aren't the same size. they are both 17" diagonally. an 18" LCD would be bigger than the 19" crt.

SO a 19" CRT = 17" LCD and that's only a good 19" crt.

Actually, I have an 18" LCD and an 19" CRT (Sony G420P)... and they're the exact same viewable size. 18".

not that it REALLY matters, to a degree, though.... I run them at completely different resolutions.

are all 19" CRT's 18" viewable?? NO.

I clearly said that a HIGH END CRT is better than a HIGH END LCD.

i don't know why we are getting side tracked on the issue of size as size is only ONE of the reasons people buy displays.

I'd take a good 15" LCD over a low to mid range 19" CRT.

Do you realize that for the price of a low end LCD, (yes low end LCDS blow just go to store and look they are blurry), you can get a near high end CRT that would compeltly own it.

And if your saying that my $240 monitor is somehow high end beign that its 18' viewable than well for $240 you can get a high end CRT but still cant aford a low end LCD with same viewable

You backed yourself into that one

i didnt back into anything. you just have this strange love relationship with your monitor. i was just speaking generally. yes LCD's are more expensive. For my clients, however, an LCD is mandatory. they just don't have the space available to put 19" monitors on their desks. and for them because of their usage and proximity to the monitor, a 15" serves their purposes better than any 19".

you are focused on trying to prove that your 19" is a bit bigger than a 17" lcd and that you got a good buy. way to go, you got a good buy.

but really that isn't the issue here is it. the issue is not what you have and what you paid but what works better for people.

in general i find that low end LCD's (although MORE expensive than low to mid range CRT's) are preferable to a low to mid range CRT.

DVI is nice but it isn't necessary in order to have a nice display.

OH btw, the reason why the cheap LCD's you see in the store have fuzzy images is because they probably aren't set at NATIVE resolutions because in MOST stores they will put a whole group of monitors on the same PC using splitters and they all have to be set at the same resolution. well guess what, NOT ALL LCD's have the same native resolution.