Poll: U.S. Whites More Solidly Behind Republican Party

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Nebor

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Humans are inherently afraid of things that are different or that they don't understand. Educated and civilized people learn to overcome this irrational fear. For everyone else we have the Republican party.

Human beings aren't "inherently afraid" of things for "irrational" reasons. They're afraid of them due to natural selection and upbringing based on millions of years of evolution & experience. There are perfectly valid reasons why people are afraid of the dark, heights, spiders and brightly colored snakes.

There are plenty of places where you can go on this planet right now today where you'd be killed because of the color of your skin (no matter what color you are.) To say that our inherent tribalism is irrational even today is ridiculous.
 

TheSlamma

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Ever hear of gentrification?
Just curious.. what do YOU think that means?

From personal experience it means move the minorities out and the rich yuppie white people in, toss up lofts, some expensive small grocery stores and charge for parking.
 
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MrPickins

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Just curious.. what do YOU think that means?

From personal experience it means move the minorities out and the rich yuppie white people in, toss up lofts, some expensive small grocery stores and charge for parking.

You're not far off the mark, unfortunately.

But, the first step in gentrification is the opposite of White Flight, which was my point.
 

chowderhead

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Nationwide surveys do not tell the whole story. Democrats can and still do win states that have overwhelmingly white populations such as many parts of the Midwest i.e. Iowa and the Northeast such as Maine, New Hampshire, etc. This is a shift in recent years as the Northeast realigns to the Democrats and the Republicans win increasing margins of support among Southern whites. So if Republicans wins 90% of whites in Alabama or Mississippi or 70% in Texas who cares electorally if they are losing Iowa or New Hampshire.

I think it's interesting that Gallup did a nationwide survey but the battles are fought in the key swing states and Democrats still can appeal to enough whites to swing elections.
 
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werepossum

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Don't move to Sweden either. Here we eat blood pudding and surströmming.

If you want to see Americans eat surströmming, then watch this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-wQhSuf6mM
Dude, you have the food equivalent of "Two girls one cup"!

Now I want to start a not-for-profit sending catfish to Sweden.



That is the most subtle burn of the Internet. You, sir, are made of win.

I would not consider Tennessee the Midwest. Certainly Chicago, Minneapolis-St Paul (where I live), Milwaukee, Madison and Ann Arbor, among many other midwestern communities, are neither closed-minded nor lacking in culture. I certainly wouldn't place Clearwater above any of them in either category.
You would not consider Tennessee the Midwest because you are not an idiot.

I will say though that I would have absolutely no objection being grouped with the Midwest, especially in terms of vibrant culture, were it not a geographical absurdity.
 

werepossum

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Fine, whatever.



though, Geo was more of the Goebells type in his proclamations and information distortion. I submit that he simply chose the wrong Nazi archetype as his hero.
That went completely over my head as well. At least if I can't be trendy and hip I can be in good company.

BTW, that web site makes me think it's the butch version of Bronies.

Human beings aren't "inherently afraid" of things for "irrational" reasons. They're afraid of them due to natural selection and upbringing based on millions of years of evolution & experience. There are perfectly valid reasons why people are afraid of the dark, heights, spiders and brightly colored snakes.

There are plenty of places where you can go on this planet right now today where you'd be killed because of the color of your skin (no matter what color you are.) To say that our inherent tribalism is irrational even today is ridiculous.
Well said. There are places in this country where one risks death for having the wrong skin color. It is to our credit that we finally got government out of that business though.

Nationwide surveys do not tell the whole story. Democrats can and still do win states that have overwhelmingly white populations such as many parts of the Midwest i.e. Iowa and the Northeast such as Maine, New Hampshire, etc. This is a shift in recent years as the Northeast realigns to the Democrats and the Republicans win increasing margins of support among Southern whites. So if Republicans wins 90% of whites in Alabama or Mississippi or 70% in Texas who cares electorally if they are losing Iowa or New Hampshire.

I think it's interesting that Gallup did a nationwide survey but the battles are fought in the key swing states and Democrats still can appeal to enough whites to swing elections.
You miss Gallup's point, which is to say the GOP is racist.
 
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Just what are these "special privileges" for white people the GOP hands out? The way you think mystifies me.

It's the continuance of white privilege for white heterosexual men. The GOP uses identity politics and many white heterosexual men fall for it because they demand special privilege. The Democrats can't do that because their coalition is far more diverse and representative of America - it includes white men and everyone else.
 

Nebor

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It's the continuance of white privilege for white heterosexual men. The GOP uses identity politics and many white heterosexual men fall for it because they demand special privilege. The Democrats can't do that because their coalition is far more diverse and representative of America - it includes white men and everyone else.

Telling people not to be self-interested is ludicrous on it's face. Everyone that's in American today (except native americans) is here because they were tired of being under-privileged and wanted to be the privileged. Life is a constant struggle for superiority, and while it's true that white men have enjoyed a pretty good run of being on top, that's certainly not the case the world over, and to think that any other group is going to stop grasping for more privilege themselves when things seem about even is naive. Just look at what feminism has turned into today.
 

norseamd

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Telling people not to be self-interested is ludicrous on it's face. Everyone that's in American today (except native americans) is here because they were tired of being under-privileged and wanted to be the privileged. Life is a constant struggle for superiority, and while it's true that white men have enjoyed a pretty good run of being on top, that's certainly not the case the world over, and to think that any other group is going to stop grasping for more privilege themselves when things seem about even is naive. Just look at what feminism has turned into today.

no it is malicious of them and they should suffer all the effects from thier opinions and actions

also the pen is of the same power as the sword

do you really need someone to tell you of that fact

so no knowledge of snowden
 

Nebor

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no it is malicious of them and they should suffer all the effects from thier opinions and actions

also the pen is of the same power as the sword

do you really need someone to tell you of that fact

so no knowledge of snowden

How ridiculous. The very fact that you're writing on this message board means that you live a privileged life built on the backs of ~70% of the world's population. Why don't you move to Malaysia and make sneakers for 15 cents an hour that sell for $100? Because you'd rather be the one wearing the sneakers?
 

norseamd

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How ridiculous. The very fact that you're writing on this message board means that you live a privileged life built on the backs of ~70% of the world's population. Why don't you move to Malaysia and make sneakers for 15 cents an hour that sell for $100? Because you'd rather be the one wearing the sneakers?

how does that mean i would rather them stay like that?

not for social stratification in any way
 
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Telling people not to be self-interested is ludicrous on it's face. Everyone that's in American today (except native americans) is here because they were tired of being under-privileged and wanted to be the privileged. Life is a constant struggle for superiority, and while it's true that white men have enjoyed a pretty good run of being on top, that's certainly not the case the world over, and to think that any other group is going to stop grasping for more privilege themselves when things seem about even is naive. Just look at what feminism has turned into today.

Maybe, but in the US there is only one political party that gives in to the self-interests of one specific group and that is the GOP and the white heterosexual men who demand the GOP attempt to maintain their special privileges.

It is identity politics at its worst and white heterosexual men have fallen for it for years and now that they are not enough to win the national election anymore and their special privileges are in danger of being lost, we are seeing a lot of them de-assimilate from our society. This is not good and the GOP needs to stop being the party of identity politics and white heterosexual men need to stop demanding identity politics.
 

Nebor

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Maybe, but in the US there is only one political party that gives in to the self-interests of one specific group and that is the GOP and the white heterosexual men who demand the GOP attempt to maintain their special privileges.

It is identity politics at its worst and white heterosexual men have fallen for it for years and now that they are not enough to win the national election anymore and their special privileges are in danger of being lost, we are seeing a lot of them de-assimilate from our society. This is not good and the GOP needs to stop being the party of identity politics and white heterosexual men need to stop demanding identity politics.

All laughable. Both major parties are run by the same very rich (white) people when it comes down to it.

You seem to undulate between accusing the white heterosexual men of purposely demanding they be given "special privileges" and them being tricked or somehow "falling" for it.

If someone owned a chain of restaurants, and supported politicians that made his businesses more successful, would you blame them? If someone used food stamps and supported politicians that would increase the amount or availability of food stamps, would you blame them? It's baffling to me that you think there's some great crime in behaving in one's own self-interest. Just because your group is "straight white dudes" doesn't make you less valid than "gun owners," "gay dudes" or "pro-choicers."
 

DominionSeraph

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Just what are these "special privileges" for white people the GOP hands out? The way you think mystifies me.

The privilege of rule to your self-centeredness -- beholden to no higher authority. No rule of law but, "What I feel that is right, right now, is right."
GOP means never having to be told you're wrong.

Cop accosts you while walking down the street? "I have a right to go wherever I please in America! Muh rights!" The GOP agrees.
Cop accosts a black man while walking down the street? "We have a right to ask him his business! Our rights!" The GOP agrees.
Anyone thinks of trying to tell you what to do with your body? "Oh hell no! Muh rights!" The GOP agrees.
A woman wants to have an abortion? "A man has planted his seed in her belly. She doesn't belong to her father anymore, she now belongs to all men." The GOP agrees.

Anyone tries to say any differently, the GOP is there for you. Woman has a "right" to an abortion? Well, let's make it legal only during a blue moon after a white unicorn has made it down the Rubicon Trail wearing a wreath of four-leaf clovers, and may only performed by a seven-fingered transsexual cleric who was born on February 29th, and, "...not in my backyard." Her right is protected as far as the GOP is concerned. In fact, too far.

You don't want to lose your special position so the GOP is there to gerrymander and provide hurdles to registration and voting, all in your favor.

The GOP is for government of white Christian males, by white Christian males, and for white Christian males, and they want it institutionalized, because they are white Christian males and it works reeeaaaaally well for them.
 
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It's the continuance of white privilege for white heterosexual men. The GOP uses identity politics and many white heterosexual men fall for it because they demand special privilege. The Democrats can't do that because their coalition is far more diverse and representative of America - it includes white men and everyone else.
Again...exactly what are these "special privileges" for white people the GOP hands out?
 

AViking

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Human beings aren't "inherently afraid" of things for "irrational" reasons. They're afraid of them due to natural selection and upbringing based on millions of years of evolution & experience. There are perfectly valid reasons why people are afraid of the dark, heights, spiders and brightly colored snakes.

There are plenty of places where you can go on this planet right now today where you'd be killed because of the color of your skin (no matter what color you are.) To say that our inherent tribalism is irrational even today is ridiculous.

Where are these places?

I've been to most of the world. I've never been to a place where I'd be killed because I was white. I've had beers in a township in Africa. Scary? Yeah. I lasted about an hour there before I walked home but I wasn't killed and I was just uncomfortable due to the poverty and cultural differences. Been all over Asia. Where do white people get killed there? South America? Australia? Where are these mysterious places where they kill white people? I might get killed walking through a tribal section of Afghanistan but that's a war zone. I don't think that's really what we're talking about. They're killing people who are not in their tribe including people the same color as them.

There were some racist backwoods places where Black people were killed many years ago but what you're talking about is not relevant.

Today we can co-exist just fine. It's about upbringing. If you were raised to be a bigot then odds are you will fear people that are different than you. If you were raised to be tolerant then odds are you'll be open minded and not afraid of everything.
 

Whiskey16

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Today we can co-exist just fine. It's about upbringing. If you were raised to be a bigot then odds are you will fear people that are different than you. If you were raised to be tolerant then odds are you'll be open minded and not afraid of everything.
AViking, Nebor is well recorded as being one of those who advocates extreme violence against any of those whom he, through bigotry, finds to be in opposition.

There are plenty of places where you can go on this planet right now today where you'd be killed because of the color of your skin (no matter what color you are.) To say that our inherent tribalism is irrational even today is ridiculous.
Nebor, just as Geosurface, you desire to make the USA and elsewhere among the most violent and genocidal of tribalistic nations:

But like I said, those of us with more than an academic knowledge of you and your kind wouldn't mind if you filmed us while we put your entire extended family in one mass grave, because we know eventually it'll be you or us. We either fight now, alongside Israel, or wait until you convince enough idiots to let you gain the upper hand.

It wasn't a personal threat, it was a broad, general warning to everyone like you: It's just a matter of time until the West wakes up to the subversiveness of your words and actions intended to destroy our society with it's own virtues. When that time comes, it'll be bad news for people like you living among us, advocating for terrorists.
The violence and extremism of some of the resident violent loons here is quite obvious.

Political opposition or condemned association with hated groups? Threats of violence and mass killings are the answer for the likes of Nebor and Geosurface. They and some others here are even more violent and extreme than any Muslims terrorists groups who are chastised.

Yet, hey when confronted with blatant calls for open violence and masscres, the likes of Jaskalas chime with:

It is not honest to be mismatching speaking of differences between groups of people - and commentary towards the "War on Terror". After September 11th many Americans feel VERY strongly on the subject.
But, but! 9/11! nearly 13 years later the actions of a very few give radical defence for returning genocide....

Jaskalas, you are gravely mistaken for what the USA is. If you so desire to defend the violent, bigoted, and extreme ways of the likes of Nebor, Georsurface, and thereby other Anders Breivik desciples, then then the USA and its laws are not the home for you. I recommend Crimea, where you may help repeat past ways against their resident Tatars.
 
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fskimospy

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Human beings aren't "inherently afraid" of things for "irrational" reasons. They're afraid of them due to natural selection and upbringing based on millions of years of evolution & experience. There are perfectly valid reasons why people are afraid of the dark, heights, spiders and brightly colored snakes.

There are plenty of aspects of our nature that serve a limited application in modern society at best. Loss aversion is frequently irrational, overeating and preference for calorie dense foods is often irrational in our current circumstances, etc, yet all of these behaviors have their roots in millions of years of evolution and experience.

So yes, humans are inherently afraid of plenty of things for irrational reasons.
 

fskimospy

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AViking, Nebor is well recorded as being one of those who advocates extreme violence against any of those whom he, through bigotry, finds to be in opposition.

Nebor, just as Geosurface, you desire to make the USA and elsewhere among the most violent and genocidal of tribalistic nations:

The violence and extremism of some of the resident violent loons here is quite obvious.

Political opposition or condemned association with hated groups? Threats of violence and mass killings are the answer for the likes of Nebor and Geosurface. They and some others here are even more violent and extreme than any Muslims terrorists groups who are chastised.

I'm pretty sure that Nebor just likes to try and provoke reactions out of people and act edgy. I doubt he really believes what he writes.
 

zinfamous

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Again...exactly what are these "special privileges" for white people the GOP hands out?

I think he's talking about corporate welfare, which we all know primarily benefits whitey.

However, I don't think the democrats are any more innocent of that.
 

Nebor

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There are plenty of aspects of our nature that serve a limited application in modern society at best. Loss aversion is frequently irrational, overeating and preference for calorie dense foods is often irrational in our current circumstances, etc, yet all of these behaviors have their roots in millions of years of evolution and experience.

So yes, humans are inherently afraid of plenty of things for irrational reasons.

Loss aversion is a fairly sophisticated concept to attribute to our inherent nature, IMO.

I think you're missing my point, in that those behaviors came about for a reason. They are not irrational at their root, and most aren't irrational today. Even the calorically dense food tendency you cite is still a superior strategy in the vast majority of the world, just as tribalism and fear of colorful snakes are winning strategies.
 

Nebor

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How is tribalism a winning strategy in a diverse urban environment?

I'd say that in your case, lack of tribalism is a losing strategy. Stockholm is the rape capital of Europe, with Muslim immigrants who comprise 5% of the population committing 70% of the rapes. By your logic a Swedish woman should go strolling through the immigrant slums in a miniskirt after a night of clubbing, because to do otherwise would be racist and unfairly prejudicial. I'd wager the outcome would be the same as the ones that go to India, Pakistan and Africa thinking that their diversity based ideals will protect them from reality.
 

fskimospy

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Loss aversion is a fairly sophisticated concept to attribute to our inherent nature, IMO.

There's actually quite a lot of research on the evolutionary origins of loss aversion. Here's an example:

http://excen.gsu.edu/fur2012/fullpapers/mlevy.pdf

I think you're missing my point, in that those behaviors came about for a reason. They are not irrational at their root, and most aren't irrational today. Even the calorically dense food tendency you cite is still a superior strategy in the vast majority of the world, just as tribalism and fear of colorful snakes are winning strategies.

More than 85% of the human population has sufficient food available to lead a healthy and productive life, according to the UN FAO.

http://www.fao.org/docrep/016/i3027e/i3027e.pdf

Regardless, whether or not these behaviors were once rational doesn't mean they continue to be rational today.
 
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