Poll: Were we within days of a major attack from Iran? Justification for assassination of Suleimani

[thraashman]

It's really disappointing that there are people who see him change his story regularly. See him obstruct access to the truth constantly. See him blatantly lie with evidence and witnesses to contradict him. Then STILL freaking believe him and defend him.

 

[DeathReborn]

I saw the press conference about sanctions on Iran and that sealed the deal for me, there was NO imminent threat other than what was inside Trumps head. Now I don't have an issue with the killing but I do with the pile of crap being used as the reason for it. He was a state sponsored walking terrorist shop/tactician and the US had probably no chance of ever arresting him & putting him on trial.

 

[ivwshane]

I mean think about it. What is the accusation here? Isnt this 10x, 100x worse than the Ukraine Quid Pro Quo deal? If its true? Trump slamming drones down on some semi random bad dude without warning to anyone outside of Mar a Lago - in exchange for backup at his impeachment trial in the Senate?

I’ll tell you why it’s not worse but it is still bad.
With Ukraine he opted to abuse his power to have a foreign actor affect our elections and then tried to cover it up. Broken down to its most basic premise is that he tried to mess with our democracy.

With this latest issue it sill looks like he’s abusing his power and now obstructing congress and he’s still trying influence an election but he’s using our assets to do it. It’s fucked up but I’m not aware of the latter being illegal.

 

[Jhhnn]

An alternate explanation is that Iran is not accustomed to an unpredictable American President directly targeting them. Lobbing a few missiles at an empty base let them save face. They’re the ones who signaled quite loudly that “they’re done”. They folded. Probably best before they shoot down any more civilian aircraft.

Who said it was empty, other than you? The people who were there dove into bunkers. Iran launched 22 missiles in an attempt to plaster the bases. Oh, and the 52 sites Trump threatened to bomb remain untouched. "All is well! Looks like they're standing down!" is a complete reversal of the rhetoric that came before & our foreign policy is in shambles. Say buh-bye to Iraq, boys! And Syria, too. You'll like it better in Kuwait. I heard they might even have whores.

 

[trenchfoot]

Can't wait to see the next "imminent threat" Trump and his lackeys come up with.

The one about banning Muslims lasted at least a few new cycles and that other "imminent threat" along our southern border was a fairly hilarious affair what with Trump being denied His Wall for a full two years when he had the luxury of a unified sock puppet gov't. to take advantage of.

Still, most everything Trump does foreign relations-wise seems to come straight from Putin's mouth to his ears.

 

[cytg111]

Here

Without presenting any evidence, Trump now claims that Soleimani was plotting against 4 US embassies before he was assassinated

"Soleimani was actively planning new attacks, and he was looking very seriously at our embassies, and not just the embassy in Baghdad," Trump said.

www.businessinsider.com

Now this has equal chance of being either

1. Cooked up in Trumps brain or
2. Some actual intel he has recieved or
3. Putin told him.

 

[Jhhnn]

Here

Without presenting any evidence, Trump now claims that Soleimani was plotting against 4 US embassies before he was assassinated

"Soleimani was actively planning new attacks, and he was looking very seriously at our embassies, and not just the embassy in Baghdad," Trump said.

www.businessinsider.com

Now this has equal chance of being either

1. Cooked up in Trumps brain or
2. Some actual intel he has recieved or
3. Putin told him.

He just felt it in his gut.

 

[HurleyBird]

1. Cooked up in Trumps brain or
2. Some actual intel he has received or
3. Putin told him.

Point 3 is your TDS talking. Putin seems out of left field considering Russia and Iran are allies. And even if Putin decided to stab Iran in the back, no one would trust Trump not to tweet something mutually compromising.

Besides that, I'd split point 2 into two parts. That some legit intel was received, or that some bogus, WMDs-in-Iraq type intelligence was received, likely facilitated by Bolton and other warmongers.

 

[Jhhnn]

Point 3 is your TDS talking. Putin seems out of left field considering Russia and Iran are allies. And even if Putin decided to stab Iran in the back, no one would trust Trump not to tweet something mutually compromising.

Besides that, I'd split point 2 into two parts. The some legit intel was received, or that some bogus, WMDs-in-Iraq type intelligence was received, likely facilitated by Bolton and other warmongers.

Trump getting played by Pompeo, McKenzie & others? Impossible! He's too smart for that! I mean, the server... they say Ukraine has it. Once Trump gets his hands on it, all will be revealed.

 

[cytg111]

Point 3 is your TDS talking. Putin seems out of left field considering Russia and Iran are allies. And even if Putin decided to stab Iran in the back, no one would trust Trump not to tweet something mutually compromising.

Besides that, I'd split point 2 into two parts. That some legit intel was received, or that some bogus, WMDs-in-Iraq type intelligence was received, likely facilitated by Bolton and other warmongers.

You got a brain defect if you havent figured out the relationship between Trump and Putin yet.
Beyond Putin, as he seems to have a teenage-level crush on, Trumps actions is pretty predictable if you understand his core character. Its about him.
Whatever the equation looks like, the assassination of bad Iran dude somehow benefits him self, locally, politically or $$ wise.

(Iran / Putin * Pompeo ) +(Impeachment * dollars / x) - ( y * z) == (Personal gain for Trump)

 

[cytg111]

He just felt it in his gut.

He also feels in his gut that, no, the American people dont have the right to know :

Trump tells Fox News' Laura Ingraham 'four embassies' were targeted in imminent threat from Iran

President Trump told Fox News’ Laura Ingraham in an exclusive interview Friday that the imminent threat from Iran that provoked the United States to kill Iranian Gen. Qassem Soleimani involved planned attacks on four U.S. embassies.

www.foxnews.com

This is Fox... Erhh.. GOP-TV no less.

Also, as this dude was going to attack these ebassies himself, now he dead, threat over. Mmmmmm ok.

 

[zinfamous]

lol, it all starts today--now it's 4 embassies. suddenly Pompeo knows all this stuff, when nothing was known yesterday. walking in lock stop: 4 embassy attacks stopped! See! We stopped the thing that Hillary made happen, 4 TIMES!

Holy shit these lying scumsuckers have no fucking shame. what a bunch of bitches. and watch the chuds swallow it up.

 

[Jhhnn]

lol, it all starts today--now it's 4 embassies. suddenly Pompeo knows all this stuff, when nothing was known yesterday. walking in lock stop: 4 embassy attacks stopped! See! We stopped the thing that Hillary made happen, 4 TIMES!

Holy shit these lying scumsuckers have no fucking shame. what a bunch of bitches. and watch the chuds swallow it up.

Hell- If Pompeo had been able to accomplish what he wanted he wouldn't have needed to fabricate evidence after the fact. The fog of War would have covered everything. He apparently didn't have a Plan B.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Doesn't matter, there was plenty of prior justification to not only allow it, but to require it.

hahhahaahaaaaaa….sneezing is not prior justification.....rofl...hahahaaaaaaa

 

[JEDIYoda]

Yep, for every high profile mission like this, there's two dozen or more quiet ones done with good old fashioned wetwork. This was on public display for a reason, that should always be in someone's mind when analyzing the action.

Exactly -- the 2020 election is around the corner....what a better time to start a war...even if it was for display purposes....

 

[Jhhnn]

Exactly -- the 2020 election is around the corner....what a better time to start a war...even if it was for display purposes....

Too early. Closing the strait of Hormuz will send the price of oil to the moon & crash the world economy. It would take awhile to set in, so start the war in September, ride the patriotic wave to electoral victory.

 

[HomerJS]

Point 3 is your TDS talking. Putin seems out of left field considering Russia and Iran are allies. And even if Putin decided to stab Iran in the back, no one would trust Trump not to tweet something mutually compromising.

Besides that, I'd split point 2 into two parts. That some legit intel was received, or that some bogus, WMDs-in-Iraq type intelligence was received, likely facilitated by Bolton and other warmongers.

We still don't know what Putin told Trump in their one on one meetings because witnesses were removed from the room. No TDS there. Claiming Trump does lie would be TDS

 

[HomerJS]

We still have 3 cowards who suck up to whatever Trump says with zero supporting evidence. What was the imminent threat.

@pcgeek11
@Majes
@IJTSSG

At least @ultimatebob supported his vote. There is just disagreement with his rationale. That's what this forum is supposed to be about. Kudos to you.

Call outs like this are considered unacceptable now in P&N.

Perknose
Forum Director

 

[HomerJS]

Only to declare war, not to protect Americans or our interests *cough* read the Constitution *cough*

What was the imminent threat? You still haven't answered that. If there is none, assassinating a high government official is an act of war. Cough...cough...Constitution...cough

I will give you credit for one thing, absent a vote you are consistent in believing anything Trump tells you.

 

[pmv]

Seems more likely he was killed because he's known to be an extremely effective leader, and under him Iran is winning in Iraq and is gaining ground generally across the region. Also, he apparently was responsible for quite a few US casualties in the past, and perhaps military guys around Trump bear a perfectly-understandable (but strategically-unwise) grudge against him?

Rationally it possibly is in US interests for him to become dead, but probably not if it happens in a way that is clearly due to US ordnance.
Whatever happened to the poisoned cigars and fake heart-attacks?

 

[cytg111]

Only to declare war, not to protect Americans or our interests *cough* read the Constitution *cough*

Churchill has a quote specifically crafted for you.

 

[randay]

We still have 3 cowards who suck up to whatever Trump says with zero supporting evidence. What was the imminent threat.

@pcgeek11
@Majes
@IJTSSG

At least @ultimatebob supported his vote. There is just disagreement with your rationale. That's what this forum is supposed to be about. Kudos to you.

I changed my vote to yes.

 

[HomerJS]

Funny how Pompeo says he didn't know exactly when the so called attack was going to occur yet they didn't have time to notify Congress before the assassination?

 

[soundforbjt]

I changed my vote to yes.

Based on the lack of evidence?

 

[fskimospy]

Obvious BS: If the US was "within days" of such an attack, how would killing the person who designed the plan help exactly? Would they have called the attack off because the guy had an upset tummy or a head cold? Would he have only bothered informing the participants of the attack of the details within this crucial "within days" time-frame? Honestly?!?

IMO the most likely outcome of such a pre-emptive strike would be to help justify the alleged planned attack. It's not a clever gambit to avert disaster, it's an invitation for it.

Yes, this is such a stupid argument. It’s like saying Iraq could have stopped the US from invading by killing Donald Rumsfeld.