POLL: Who stops before the limit line when they make a right turn on a red?

[yhelothar]

I was at a T interesction, making a right turn on a red. I slowed down and rolled around the corner and stopped for a good 3 seconds before I reached the intersection to check for cars, and went. 10 seconds later a cop pulls me over, and tells me I need to stop before the limit line. How the hell am I supposed to see if I stop before the limit line? Well anyways, I went back there today and watched cars make right turns just like me, and I saw at least 15 cars, and NOT ONE stopped before the limit line before making a right turn, they all rolled around and looked just like me.

The cop got me for this violation..
21453. (a) A driver facing a steady circular red signal alone shall
stop at a marked limit line, but if none, before entering the
crosswalk on the near side of the intersection or, if none, then
before entering the intersection, and shall remain stopped until an
indication to proceed is shown, except as provided in subdivision
(b).
(b) Except when a sign is in place prohibiting a turn, a driver,
after stopping as required by subdivision (a), facing a steady
circular red signal, may turn right, or turn left from a one-way
street onto a one-way street. A driver making that turn shall yield
the right-of-way to pedestrians lawfully within an adjacent crosswalk
and to any vehicle that has approached or is approaching so closely
as to constitute an immediate hazard to the driver, and shall
continue to yield the right-of-way to that vehicle until the driver
can proceed with reasonable safety.
(c) A driver facing a steady red arrow signal shall not enter the
intersection to make the movement indicated by the arrow and, unless
entering the intersection to make a movement permitted by another
signal, shall stop at a clearly marked limit line, but if none,
before entering the crosswalk on the near side of the intersection,
or if none, then before entering the intersection, and shall remain
stopped until an indication permitting movement is shown.
(d) Unless otherwise directed by a pedestrian control signal as
provided in Section 21456, a pedestrian facing a steady circular red
or red arrow signal shall not enter the roadway.


Looks like 100% of the drivers out there are violating this law to me.

 

[yhelothar]

OOOPS how the hell did i make this in hot deals?!?!?! please move to OT for me

 

[ams30gts]

i try to. but obivously like everyone else, i dont.

cop probably was just short on his quota or something, and needed to get out some tickets

 

[yhelothar]

EXACTLY! It was late at night, 11:30... HE GOT ME FOR 3 THINGS! He even marked me for my cracked tail light.

 

[MDE]

I stop before a right on red.

 

[yhelothar]

no read it.. not stop.. but STOP BEFORE THE LIMIT LINE.. GEEZ!

 

[MDE]

Originally posted by: virtualgames0
no read it.. not stop.. but STOP BEFORE THE LIMIT LINE.. GEEZ!

If you stop after the line that means you blew the stop, technically not stopping. I don't do it perfectly, but I stop before my front tires pass that line, usually before. Don't be an ass to me just because you want to whine about your tickets.

 

[TrentSteel]

Originally posted by: virtualgames0
EXACTLY! It was late at night, 11:30... HE GOT ME FOR 3 THINGS! He even marked me for my cracked tail light.

He was just being a jerk. Although I've never really met a nice cop, so I guess he was just being a cop (i.e. a jerk).

 

[yhelothar]

Originally posted by: MDE

Originally posted by: virtualgames0
no read it.. not stop.. but STOP BEFORE THE LIMIT LINE.. GEEZ!

If you stop after the line that means you blew the stop, technically not stopping. I don't do it perfectly, but I stop before my front tires pass that line, usually before. Don't be an ass to me just because you want to whine about your tickets.

not really... if you stop past the line.. you're still safe, more safe than if you stopped before the line
Sorry I was just kinda pissed...

 

[leonowski]

cop probably was just short on his quota or something, and needed to get out some tickets

Actually, that's an urban myth. Quotas do not exist.

Also, not coming to a complete stop behind the line is a violation. You are right - many people violate this rule. However, it is still a rule and if you're caught, you're screwed.

 

[yhelothar]

The cop could just sit there all day, he could easily nail 100 people in one day..

 

[NeuralChaos]

Technically you're supposed to stop completely before the limit line -- then roll forward in order to see.

 

[manko]

I stop before the line so I don't give cops a stupid excuse to ticket me.

 

[yhelothar]

Technically you're supposed to stop completely before the limit line -- then roll forward in order to see.

for a good 3 seconds... :Q

Originally posted by: manko
I stop before the line so I don't give cops a stupid excuse to ticket me.

Yeah, I had to learn the hard way
lol btw nice nick...
i want some manko

 

[DayLaPaul]

This exact situation was why I got a 90 on my drivers test many moons ago. The DMV lady told me I have to go to a complete stop before the line, then pull forward to see if the coast is clear. Just one of those things I've never forgotten.

 

[BigBadMunky]

If you stop before the limit line, you almost always cannot see the cars entering the intersection so that you can make your right turn. I rarely stop before the limit line because in order to make a turn you need a good view of the road, especially if a car is blocking your view to the left. But in no way do I blow past the line to potentially hit a ped...just use common sense as you stop is my philosophy. That cop sounds like a real jerk!

 

[Zee]

Originally posted by: leonowski

Actually, that's an urban myth. Quotas do not exist.

You are obviously referring to places outside NYC. Cops have come foward and admitted that pressure has been placed on them to meet a certain number despite all the denials from the chief and bloomberg

 

[ubercaffeinated]

Originally posted by: DayLaPaul
This exact situation was why I got a 90 on my drivers test many moons ago. The DMV lady told me I have to go to a complete stop before the line, then pull forward to see if the coast is clear. Just one of those things I've never forgotten.

Thats exactly what you need to do. Stop completely BEFORE the line, and then edge over slowly to look for traffic. You're supposed to do this so you don't accidently mow over a pedestrian. It happens.

 

[leonowski]

You are obviously referring to places outside NYC. Cops have come foward and admitted that pressure has been placed on them to meet a certain number despite all the denials from the chief and bloomberg

I would like to see the news article or a reference to this somewhere if it is true. It would be an interesting read.

Police officers are directly responsible for the areas they patrol. If they receive complaints about a certain area (speeding), they will usually step up the ticket writing in that area. Also - officers are blamed if they do "too little" and if they do "too much." It's a tough job and I don't envy them due to the pressure they receive.

If NYC cops are writing tickets to fill quotas, I would love to read about it. It doesn't seem that revenue from tickets are that significant - but I could be wrong. It would really suck if they did that in NYC - please post a linky. Thanks!

 

[russw]

Originally posted by: makoto00

Originally posted by: DayLaPaul
This exact situation was why I got a 90 on my drivers test many moons ago. The DMV lady told me I have to go to a complete stop before the line, then pull forward to see if the coast is clear. Just one of those things I've never forgotten.

Thats exactly what you need to do. Stop completely BEFORE the line, and then edge over slowly to look for traffic. You're supposed to do this so you don't accidently mow over a pedestrian. It happens.

Exactly the rationale for the law in this case. And it doesn't matter if you're turning or not, it's the LIMIT LINE. If turning right (just like when leaving a driveway), after your stop, creep forward for your best view before proceeding.

Oh... so you can avoid your next ticket... don't turn into a crosswalk if there's a pedestrian on YOUR side of the street, even if they are only just stepping off a curb (This make this post a HOT DEAL for you because you'll save a couple hundred dollars in fines.)
...russ

 

[HeineKid]

I love cops...

especially the f***en sherrifs who pull me over for a tow package that was blocking 2% of my license plate.

sucks to live in the sacramento ghetto.

 

[fargus]

I?m reminded of the joke about the guy who gets stopped by the police for failing to come to a full and complete stop at a ?Stop? sign. The driver said, ?Hey, I slowed down and made sure there wasn?t any traffic coming. I don?t need to fully stop if the way is clear?slowing down should be good enough.? Upon hearing that, the officer dragged the driver out of his car, and started beating him with his heavy police flashlight. After a minute or two of this, the cop said to the driver, ?Okay, do you want me to slow down or do you want me to stop??

 

[yhelothar]

not funny

 

[mindless1]

Ironically, I lost my license back in the day, for doing just this... didn't think it was a big deal to completely stop early but apparently the police officer did. Now, the license wasn't lost merely for this violation, I'd racked up points driving like a madman for a while. Losing my license for 6 months apparently did the trick, never had a moving violation since then, many years later.

You may've been unlucky to be caught on the issue of the limit line, but then again, what's it there for otherwise?

 

[Spencer278]

Originally posted by: leonowski

cop probably was just short on his quota or something, and needed to get out some tickets

Actually, that's an urban myth. Quotas do not exist.

Also, not coming to a complete stop behind the line is a violation. You are right - many people violate this rule. However, it is still a rule and if you're caught, you're screwed.

I know of at least one state that requires the state police to have 40% or more of their tickets be from violations other then speeding. To meet that quota they go after rolling stops.