Poll: Who will ultimately pay for The Wall/Slats/Barrier/Boondoggle?

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Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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DoD would be the best option. 5B is *nothing* to the military budget. Zero impact whatsoever.

A current Sargent Master (E8) friend of mine have talked about this, and he agrees.

#anecdotal

Yeh, Trump can invoke a faux national emergency so we can all enjoy the faux benefits of the not really a Wall. And Mexico will pay for it.
 

Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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Whatever happened to the secure fence act of 2006? They were supposed to be using technology in addition to the fence.
They built at least a lot of it, and shocker it didn't work. Virtual fence way over ran and I don't think ever went operational.
 

Sonikku

Lifer
Jun 23, 2005
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At this point it would be best for all of us if Trump just came out and said the wall is already built. His base would believe it.
 

Stokely

Golden Member
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I can't help but wonder if that cartoon above would actually work. I'd go with a real check though, that part was a bit of a stretch.

The staff should seriously consider a fake video...CGI can do great walls! make it 100 feet tall and bristling with 50 cal, and hell even have a CGI caravan full of terrorists that gets sliced to ribbons by them....Trump will eat that up.
 

Meghan54

Lifer
Oct 18, 2009
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DoD would be the best option. 5B is *nothing* to the military budget. Zero impact whatsoever.

A current Sargent Master (E8) friend of mine have talked about this, and he agrees.

#anecdotal


Damn, at least have the decency to spell your friend's rank properly....it's Master Sergent, not Sargent Master, dumbass, which makes me believe you don't know anyone who is an E-8 nor have any friends.
 

Meghan54

Lifer
Oct 18, 2009
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This one made me laugh and then realize it's exactly where Trump is right now....

 

hal2kilo

Lifer
Feb 24, 2009
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They built at least a lot of it, and shocker it didn't work. Virtual fence way over ran and I don't think ever went operational.
Well if the Navy is any track record to go by, both west and east coast bases got upgraded to triple layer fencing in the secure area on the waterfronts. Both physically finished at the end of 2016. Oh yea, they got sensors all over, inspection stations, with card access, yet still, none of it is operational. Your taxpayer dollars at work!
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
Sep 5, 2000
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DoD would be the best option. 5B is *nothing* to the military budget. Zero impact whatsoever.

A current Sargent Master (E8) friend of mine have talked about this, and he agrees.

#anecdotal

Total wall budget is like 30 bill + 4% a year and whatever overages and maintenance.
 

twjr

Senior member
Jul 5, 2006
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More like this-

I saw this when it first came out. Made me smile then and still just as true now.

The wall will never be built. Given the nature of American bureaucracy and the complexity of such a large infrastructure project, Trump will be long dead before groundwork starts and the Republicans will have a new boogeyman to rattle their sabres at.
 

mikeymikec

Lifer
May 19, 2011
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The funny thing that Trump and his supporters don't seem to understand just how unlikely it is the wall will be completed.

Let's say the Democrats do something stupid and cave in to budgetary demands for the wall right away. Well, that's just the early budget for it. Work on the wall won't start for a while. It will likely take years to complete, and that's assuming it doesn't need additional funding rounds or run into major setbacks (both of which are likely).

Because some adults need a pacifier, a monster under the bed, and someone to validate their fears.
 

mikeymikec

Lifer
May 19, 2011
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The wall will never be built. Given the nature of American bureaucracy and the complexity of such a large infrastructure project, Trump will be long dead before groundwork starts and the Republicans will have a new boogeyman to rattle their sabres at.

I don't know about that; the Republicans are still advocating 'trickle-down'.
 

Bitek

Lifer
Aug 2, 2001
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I can't help but wonder if that cartoon above would actually work. I'd go with a real check though, that part was a bit of a stretch.

The staff should seriously consider a fake video...CGI can do great walls! make it 100 feet tall and bristling with 50 cal, and hell even have a CGI caravan full of terrorists that gets sliced to ribbons by them....Trump will eat that up.

Add in some grenades in tunnels blowing up children for the local trumpanzees here to celebrate.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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Well if the Navy is any track record to go by, both west and east coast bases got upgraded to triple layer fencing in the secure area on the waterfronts. Both physically finished at the end of 2016. Oh yea, they got sensors all over, inspection stations, with card access, yet still, none of it is operational. Your taxpayer dollars at work!

Card access... At the light rail shop where I worked for years they went on a card access binge some while after 9/11. None of it worked when installed & the vendor promptly went bankrupt. Years later they found somebody to make it work. The best part was a card access man door right next to a row of big roll up overhead doors with pushbuttons.

Only in America.
 

Meghan54

Lifer
Oct 18, 2009
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The funny thing that Trump and his supporters don't seem to understand just how unlikely it is the wall will be completed.

Let's say the Democrats do something stupid and cave in to budgetary demands for the wall right away. Well, that's just the early budget for it. Work on the wall won't start for a while. It will likely take years to complete, and that's assuming it doesn't need additional funding rounds or run into major setbacks (both of which are likely).

The problem, of course, is that Trump or another pro-wall Republican President is not guaranteed to be in office during the construction. Work on the wall stops the millisecond a Democratic President takes office. And with increasing chances that Trump is out after the 2020 election, there could be hardly any work done before the wall is canceled. Even if you ignore the many moral objections to the wall, the truth is that it's likely to just be a waste of money that will never be finished in any significant way.


Funny you mention budgetary demands for the wall......I read an article I believe was on Quartz yesterday in which was written that the Trump admin. has yet to allocate/assign/spend 40% of what's been budgeted the last two years for existing wall improvements/upgrades. The U.S. has budgeted $1.7B for barrier/wall upgrades/replacements. DHS is sitting on approx. $700M for wall/barrier improvements/replacements.

In other words, the DHS has committed about 60% of the money for physical barriers via new contracts, while 40% of the money remains uncommitted. In fact, the government shutdown over the wall is stopping the agency from committing more money to build it.

https://qz.com/1516960/trump-speech-tonight-he-hasnt-spent-border-wall-money-he-already-has/

You'd think with Trump having ants in his pants for wall funding, he'd already would have every single penny spent of what's been available to him so far, but nope. 40% is just sitting there. Of course, this has probably been brought up already, so in that case, in my defense----I'm just old, slow, and senile.
 

IronWing

No Lifer
Jul 20, 2001
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The best part was a card access man door right next to a row of big roll up overhead doors with pushbuttons.
You've been to my office? We also have super secure pedestrian gates built into a fence you could drive down with a Prius and not hurt the car overly much.
 
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