So why is Thanksgiving a national holiday? The native american indian has damn near been wiped off the face of the planet and yet we have a holiday about it?
Originally posted by: Shelly21
So did we really invited the native americans over for dinner and then slaughtered them?
Originally posted by: Shelly21
So did we really invited the native americans over for dinner and then slaughtered them?
You mean like after we started giving them diseases and stuff?Originally posted by: KenSr
Originally posted by: Shelly21
So did we really invited the native americans over for dinner and then slaughtered them?
The native americans and the original settlers got along great. It was in later years when things went bad.
Originally posted by: Shelly21
So did we really invited the native americans over for dinner and then slaughtered them?
Originally posted by: Amused
Stop falling for PC nonsense.
Originally posted by: Arkitech
Originally posted by: Amused
Stop falling for PC nonsense.
How is it nonsense?
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Arkitech
Originally posted by: Amused
Stop falling for PC nonsense.
How is it nonsense?
Because the harm to American Indians came much later in history.
Because it really has very little to do with any actual event, and more to do with a time of positive reflection.
Because it gets really old listening to teenagers go negative about every gawd damn thing in the fscking world.
Because I'm insulted that Indians are insulted... but no one gives a fsck about that, now do they?
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Arkitech
Originally posted by: Amused
Stop falling for PC nonsense.
How is it nonsense?
Because the harm to American Indians came much later in history.
Because it really has very little to do with any actual event, and more to do with a time of positive reflection.
Because it gets really old listening to teenagers go negative about every gawd damn thing in the fscking world.
Because I'm insulted that Indians are insulted... but no one gives a fsck about that, now do they?
Originally posted by: Peetoeng
I read that the holiday itself was formally instituted by Lincoln, decades after the first thanksgiving dinner.
Any scant of goodness, even reconstructed one, in human history needs to be celebrated. Greed and violence need no celebration, they are with us in one never-ending orgy from time immemorial.
Have a nice day! :laugh:
The year was 1637.....700 men, women and children of the Pequot Tribe, gathered for their "Annual Green Corn Dance" in the area that is now known as Groton, Conn. While they were gathered in this place of meeting, they were surrounded and attacked by mercernaries of the English and Dutch. The Indians were ordered from the building and as they came forth, they were shot down. The rest were burned alive in the building. The next day, the Governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony declared : "A Day of Thanksgiving", thanking God that they had eliminited over 700 men, women and children. For the next 100 years, every "Thanksgiving Day" ordained by a Governor or President was to honor that victory, thanking God that the battle had been won.
The most striking and little- known reality surrounding the Pilgrims is that the Eastern coastline of America had been in contact with foreigners for about 100 years before the establishment of the Plymouth colony. A year before colonists arrived, smallpox introduced by these contacts had wiped out the Wampanoag village that the Pilgrims settled. Pilgrims were able to survive their first winter partially because of guidance by the natives and because they dug up the deceased Wampanoags to eat the corn offerings in the graves.
What many history books don't tell us is that Thanksgiving may have been held to celebrate the massacre of Indians. In colonial times the settlers periodically held religious fasts, or "days of humiliation," and Thanksgiving days throughout the year. Sometimes such a day marked an Indian Massacre.
According to William B. Newell, a-Penobscot Indian and former chairman of the anthropology department at the University of Connecticut, the first official Thanksgiving Day Commemorated the massacre of 700 Indian men, women and children during one of their religious ceremonies. The Indians were celebrating their annual green corn dance--Thanksgiving Day to them--in a meeting house when they were attacked by English and Dutch settlers. The Indians were ordered from the building, and shot down as they came forth. Those who were left inside died in the building, which was set on fire. Another such "thanksgiving" day was proclaimed by Gov. Kieft in February 1644.
The Puritans were not just simple religious conservatives persecuted by the Church of England. They were outcasts and fugitives who came to the new world to establish a "Holy Kingdom". And they came to America in at least 100 ships. Their plan was to take the land from the native people to build their own country. They were the "chosen ones," or so they thought, in a holy war against Satan. Here is what Thomas Mather, the leader of the Puritans, was reported to have said on Thanksgiving day;
"In a Thanksgiving sermon delivered at Plymouth in 1623, Thomas Mather, an elder, gave special thanks to God for the devastating plague that wiped out most of the native Wampanoag Indians. Mather added in his sermon that he praised God for destroying chiefly the young men and the children, whom he described as the "very seeds of increase, thus clearing the forests to make way for a better growth."
To the Pilgrims, the Indians were heathens and instruments of the devil. The Indians were considered dangerous. They courted them, waiting for additional ships to arrive. The real reason behind the first Thanksgiving feast was to negotiate a treaty for land that would give the Pilgrims time to build their Army. The irony was that the Indians brought most of the food for that first feast.
Originally posted by: Arkitech
The year was 1637.....700 men, women and children of the Pequot Tribe, gathered for their "Annual Green Corn Dance" in the area that is now known as Groton, Conn. While they were gathered in this place of meeting, they were surrounded and attacked by mercernaries of the English and Dutch. The Indians were ordered from the building and as they came forth, they were shot down. The rest were burned alive in the building. The next day, the Governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony declared : "A Day of Thanksgiving", thanking God that they had eliminited over 700 men, women and children. For the next 100 years, every "Thanksgiving Day" ordained by a Governor or President was to honor that victory, thanking God that the battle had been won.
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The most striking and little- known reality surrounding the Pilgrims is that the Eastern coastline of America had been in contact with foreigners for about 100 years before the establishment of the Plymouth colony. A year before colonists arrived, smallpox introduced by these contacts had wiped out the Wampanoag village that the Pilgrims settled. Pilgrims were able to survive their first winter partially because of guidance by the natives and because they dug up the deceased Wampanoags to eat the corn offerings in the graves.
link 2
What many history books don't tell us is that Thanksgiving may have been held to celebrate the massacre of Indians. In colonial times the settlers periodically held religious fasts, or "days of humiliation," and Thanksgiving days throughout the year. Sometimes such a day marked an Indian Massacre.
According to William B. Newell, a-Penobscot Indian and former chairman of the anthropology department at the University of Connecticut, the first official Thanksgiving Day Commemorated the massacre of 700 Indian men, women and children during one of their religious ceremonies. The Indians were celebrating their annual green corn dance--Thanksgiving Day to them--in a meeting house when they were attacked by English and Dutch settlers. The Indians were ordered from the building, and shot down as they came forth. Those who were left inside died in the building, which was set on fire. Another such "thanksgiving" day was proclaimed by Gov. Kieft in February 1644.
link 3
The Puritans were not just simple religious conservatives persecuted by the Church of England. They were outcasts and fugitives who came to the new world to establish a "Holy Kingdom". And they came to America in at least 100 ships. Their plan was to take the land from the native people to build their own country. They were the "chosen ones," or so they thought, in a holy war against Satan. Here is what Thomas Mather, the leader of the Puritans, was reported to have said on Thanksgiving day;
"In a Thanksgiving sermon delivered at Plymouth in 1623, Thomas Mather, an elder, gave special thanks to God for the devastating plague that wiped out most of the native Wampanoag Indians. Mather added in his sermon that he praised God for destroying chiefly the young men and the children, whom he described as the "very seeds of increase, thus clearing the forests to make way for a better growth."
To the Pilgrims, the Indians were heathens and instruments of the devil. The Indians were considered dangerous. They courted them, waiting for additional ships to arrive. The real reason behind the first Thanksgiving feast was to negotiate a treaty for land that would give the Pilgrims time to build their Army. The irony was that the Indians brought most of the food for that first feast.
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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Arkitech
Originally posted by: Amused
Stop falling for PC nonsense.
How is it nonsense?
Because the harm to American Indians came much later in history.
Actually the harm came before and after
Because it really has very little to do with any actual event, and more to do with a time of positive reflection.
Who is it a positive reflection for? Certainly not the indians.
Because it gets really old listening to teenagers go negative about every gawd damn thing in the fscking world.
Change comes about not by ignoring the negative but by confronting it and learning to overcome it
Because I'm insulted that Indians are insulted... but no one gives a fsck about that, now do they?
Originally posted by: Arkitech
Change comes about not by ignoring the negative but by confronting it and learning to overcome it
Originally posted by: Amused
Your sources are suspect and conflict with each other.