POLL: Why is Thanksgiving a national holiday?

[broon]

Originally posted by: Arkitech

Why should people accept something just because everyone else does? Slavery was widely accepted at one point, does that mean no one in the past should have ever taken a stand against it?

So do we need to rise up against "the man" and say Down with Thanksgiving?

 

[pulse8]

Originally posted by: broon

Originally posted by: Arkitech

Why should people accept something just because everyone else does? Slavery was widely accepted at one point, does that mean no one in the past should have ever taken a stand against it?

So do we need to rise up against "the man" and say Down with Thanksgiving?

The peasants are revolting!

 

[Arkitech]

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: Arkitech

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Arkitech


I'm glad you don't feel guilty, that was'nt my intent of this post. By the way if you dislike this topic just wait til I write one on christmas in a few weeks.

Face it, this kind of action is just an advanced form of Teenage rejection of the norm.

Well said.

Unfortunately, I think this sort of "rejection of the norm" is becoming more and more widespread in our society, and I'm sick of it.

Why should people accept something just because everyone else does? Slavery was widely accepted at one point, does that mean no one in the past should have ever taken a stand against it?

Great, now you are equating Thanksgiving to slavery. Shouldn't you be in class, little one?

I never equated Thanksgiving with slavery even once. My point in mentioning slavery was in response to the widespread opinion is'nt always the right one.

I'm editing the above line to bold type, because some of you are taking things way out of context

 

[daniel1113]

Way to take my comment out of context.

Isn't about time you enacted Godwin's Law?

 

[pulse8]

Well, I think the widespread opinion in this thread IS the right one.

You're nuts!

 

[Freejack2]

Welcome to 2004, where Thanksgiving is a day off from work (if you're lucky) and the food industry thanks you for your continued support. So eat up.

 

[sciencewhiz]

I find it ironic that you posted this the day after Columbus day. Or did I miss a rant about that a few weeks ago?

 

[kranky]

Originally posted by: Arkitech
However I still fail to see how I ATTACKED Lincoln, according to the facts that I've read his making Thanksgiving a national holiday still does not change the history surrounding that day.

This is the root of the difference of opinion in the thread! You inexplicably link Indian genocide to the Thanksgiving holiday. For you, that's a given. In my opinion, and those of some others, there is no connection.

No one is trying to change history or deny what happened 400 years ago. No one is saying "let's pretend that didn't happen."

But those events of 400 years ago do not, in any way, relate to the Thanksgiving holiday! The genocide of the Indians is not "the history surrounding that day". There is no connection. None. Zip. Nada. Zilch. The empty set. Nil.

 

[DT4K]

Originally posted by: Arkitech

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Arkitech


I'm glad you don't feel guilty, that was'nt my intent of this post. By the way if you dislike this topic just wait til I write one on christmas in a few weeks.

Face it, this kind of action is just an advanced form of Teenage rejection of the norm.

Well said.

Unfortunately, I think this sort of "rejection of the norm" is becoming more and more widespread in our society, and I'm sick of it.

Why should people accept something just because everyone else does? Slavery was widely accepted at one point, does that mean no one in the past should have ever taken a stand against it?

There is a BIG difference between intelligent people fighting against an evil norm because it is wrong and teenagers like you arguing against thanksgiving because it makes you feel cool to be rebellious.

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: DT4K

Originally posted by: Arkitech

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Arkitech


I'm glad you don't feel guilty, that was'nt my intent of this post. By the way if you dislike this topic just wait til I write one on christmas in a few weeks.

Face it, this kind of action is just an advanced form of Teenage rejection of the norm.

Well said.

Unfortunately, I think this sort of "rejection of the norm" is becoming more and more widespread in our society, and I'm sick of it.

Why should people accept something just because everyone else does? Slavery was widely accepted at one point, does that mean no one in the past should have ever taken a stand against it?

There is a BIG difference between intelligent people fighting against an evil norm because it is wrong and teenagers like you arguing against thanksgiving because it makes you feel cool to be rebellious.

:thumbsup:

 

[Arkitech]

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: DT4K

Originally posted by: Arkitech

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Arkitech


I'm glad you don't feel guilty, that was'nt my intent of this post. By the way if you dislike this topic just wait til I write one on christmas in a few weeks.

Face it, this kind of action is just an advanced form of Teenage rejection of the norm.

Well said.

Unfortunately, I think this sort of "rejection of the norm" is becoming more and more widespread in our society, and I'm sick of it.

Why should people accept something just because everyone else does? Slavery was widely accepted at one point, does that mean no one in the past should have ever taken a stand against it?

There is a BIG difference between intelligent people fighting against an evil norm because it is wrong and teenagers like you arguing against thanksgiving because it makes you feel cool to be rebellious.

:thumbsup:

:thumbsdown:

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: DT4K

Originally posted by: Arkitech

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Arkitech


I'm glad you don't feel guilty, that was'nt my intent of this post. By the way if you dislike this topic just wait til I write one on christmas in a few weeks.

Face it, this kind of action is just an advanced form of Teenage rejection of the norm.

Well said.

Unfortunately, I think this sort of "rejection of the norm" is becoming more and more widespread in our society, and I'm sick of it.

Why should people accept something just because everyone else does? Slavery was widely accepted at one point, does that mean no one in the past should have ever taken a stand against it?

There is a BIG difference between intelligent people fighting against an evil norm because it is wrong and teenagers like you arguing against thanksgiving because it makes you feel cool to be rebellious.

:thumbsup:

:thumbsup:

 

[Ninjja]

Originally posted by: broon

Originally posted by: Ninjja
Broon. You don't get it do you? Just because you perceive the swastika as a symbol of hate, doesn't mean everybody does.

I get it. But I think the majority of Americans, Europeans, and Jews would say otherwise.

yeah, i agree with you.

 

[jjones]

Gee, ovens were used by Germans in an attempt to exterminate Jews. Should I get rid of my oven now because the idea of an oven can at one time be related to the attempted extermination of a people?

Thanksgiving, in it's modern conception, is what it has been attibuted to by Lincoln. If you want to view it as a day of celebrating an indian massacre, go right on ahead, and the rest of us will view it as Lincoln did. I'll just be sure not to invite you to my house on Thanksgiving so as not to offend you.

 

[BooGiMaN]

you sure do post a lot about race inequality dont you...

my kids will be learning that thanksgiving is a time to reflect give thanks for what you have and be with family.......now how is that a bad thing..unless your the damn turkey?

besides i really doubt you won't be home enjoying your day off and all the food......or will you be out protesting the plight of the native americans?

 

[frodrick]

While I didn't read most of the posts in this thread I'd assume the same general tone followed throughout. The issue that I don't understand is why are people so caught up about american's conquering the indians? War and conquest have been around forever and organized groups of people (nations) have risen and fallen for millennia. If americans wish to celebrate the slaughter of a conquered nation then so be it. Are people similarly angry at the roman empire for every nation it controlled or for the vast numbers of people that were killed to establish and maintain their empire? Sure this isn't what thanksgiving is about, but it is a common theme that is often brought up with thanksgiving.

And while I'm typing out my thoughts as uneducated drivel, I've never understood the term "native americans." The people that lived in america before they were displaced and killed by the europeans did not evolve at that landmass. They emigrated from asia, hence the strong similarities between them and the mongols. They are just as foreign to the american continent as are european immigrants.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: frodrick
While I didn't read most of the posts in this thread I'd assume the same general tone followed throughout. The issue that I don't understand is why are people so caught up about american's conquering the indians? War and conquest have been around forever and organized groups of people (nations) have risen and fallen for millennia. If americans wish to celebrate the slaughter of a conquered nation then so be it. Are people similarly angry at the roman empire for every nation it controlled or for the vast numbers of people that were killed to establish and maintain their empire? Sure this isn't what thanksgiving is about, but it is a common theme that is often brought up with thanksgiving.

And while I'm typing out my thoughts as uneducated drivel, I've never understood the term "native americans." The people that lived in america before they were displaced and killed by the europeans did not evolve at that landmass. They emigrated from asia, hence the strong similarities between them and the mongols. They are just as foreign to the american continent as are european immigrants.

Not to mention the fact that their culture was pretty much doomed to fail by either being integrated into our society or being eliminated because they resisted. Face it, they really didn't stand a chance as more powerful nations grew and conquered the world. That's the blunt reality of it though.

Kind of pointless to get depressed about it now. :roll:

I won't give it a second thought as I celebrate Thanksgiving this year.

BTW-My Dad says I have some American Indian in my heritage going waaaay back. My Grandmother on my Dad's side is also a DAR (but that side of my ancestry is the more talked about/researched by far). I don't care though. I'm as white as they come.

 

[LongAce]

I don't think so but I'm not a native american. I think it's an attempt to say thank you.