Originally posted by: sandorski
Communism does work, at least it has worked in small populations who adhere to it out of religious belief(Mennonites and some other religious sects). This is a form of Communism and not Soviet style and it takes a lot of dedication from its' members in order for it to work. Could it work on a large scale though? That's another question entirely.
Originally posted by: Doboji
With enough police?.... sure it could work... but why on earth would you want it to?... I mean hell... feudalism works too. Communism requires that noone seek to truly better themselves past the scope of their fellow man. This is fundamentally against our human nature... we thrive on competition, a system that attempts to stifle our instincts will inevitably stifle our happiness and satisfaction as a society. Communism is great on paper... and downright evil in practice.
-Max
Originally posted by: smashp
I think the problem with communism and in fact all types of government, is that power corupts humans.
Look at history.
If its Totalitarian, fascism, communism, socialism, Democracy, capitalism,Feudalism, Monarchism, or a Republic, Power corupts human beings.
That being said, the most succesful government will be the one that limits the power given to human beings.
Thats why its important that we realize we are a Democratic society with a capitalistic nature.
I feel we act like a capitalistic society with a Democratic nature. This is more coruptable becase more power is given to human being in the board room.
The more we let our society get taken over by corporate board rooms and greed, The less freedom and democracy we will have because power is then derived from corporations rather than the people.
I think even Marx determined this was also the fundamental flaw with Capitalism also.
Communism is great on paper, but its a theory that humans as a whole just cant embrace. Man has always strived to get power over his fellow man.
Originally posted by: Doboji
SmashP
Our system of government has plenty of built in safeguards to prevent corporate control of our government.... The catch is, it's up to us the citzenry to enact those safeguards.... it's commonly known as VOTING. We have one of the worst voter turn outs of any democratic nations. Last year less than 45% of our population even voted!!.... That my friend is SICK. If people had gotten off their lazy asses, and voted, then those few hundred votes Bush won by in florida, wouldn't have mattered.
We have the safeguards to protect ourselves against corporate greed... it's our own damn fault for not enacting them.
-Max
Originally posted by: Doboji
With enough police?.... sure it could work... but why on earth would you want it to?... I mean hell... feudalism works too. Communism requires that noone seek to truly better themselves past the scope of their fellow man. This is fundamentally against our human nature... we thrive on competition, a system that attempts to stifle our instincts will inevitably stifle our happiness and satisfaction as a society. Communism is great on paper... and downright evil in practice.
-Max
But the Corporations in part fo their part by encouraging entropy among the public. The Assalt upon people by advertising, marketing, and the media pushes us to make the prime motice of our lives the accumulation of goods and wealth. Freedom is now defined in this country as HAVING the right to purchase an SUV.
We determine the condition of our Country using a measure of consumer Confidence.
I pledge alligence to the Flag of the United Corporations of America, and for the Products for which it markets, one nation, under Ceo's, consuming with Suv's and tv's for all
There was tons of competition in Communist Russia. Read a little bit about the aircraft designers in WW2... they were very competitive with each other. Probably more so than the airplane designers in the US.
Originally posted by: Doboji
But the Corporations in part fo their part by encouraging entropy among the public. The Assalt upon people by advertising, marketing, and the media pushes us to make the prime motice of our lives the accumulation of goods and wealth. Freedom is now defined in this country as HAVING the right to purchase an SUV.
We determine the condition of our Country using a measure of consumer Confidence.
I pledge alligence to the Flag of the United Corporations of America, and for the Products for which it markets, one nation, under Ceo's, consuming with Suv's and tv's for all
Mind control?!?! C'mmon man... I don't buy that for even a split second.... The corporations are controlling our minds by selling us their products?... Thats their job, they're supposed to excite you about their products... Thats no excuse for the political apathy in this country.
Freedom is the right to purchase anything you damn well please... and to speak your mind, and to cast your vote. All of which are strong intitutions in this country.
I don't even see the logical sequence in your argument... Corporations sell us all kinds of cool stuff, so we don't vote?... huh... I don't see it. Are you saying we're too busy watching car commercials to vote?...
If people in this country don't vote, and they weren't physically restrained from voting, then they have noone to blame but themselves.
Period. Enough making excuses for people.... how about some personal responsibility for a change.
-Max
Originally posted by: smashp
There was tons of competition in Communist Russia. Read a little bit about the aircraft designers in WW2... they were very competitive with each other. Probably more so than the airplane designers in the US.
The totalitarian Government forced the Entire russian Aircraft industry to focus on Coping the b-29 bomber right after WW2. They made a reverse engineered an entire American technological Wonder in 2 years.
something many experts said would have been impossible under any other government structure.
Granted, Failure most likely ment imprisonment or possible death if Stalin didnt get his way.
Originally posted by: smashp
Originally posted by: Doboji
SmashP
Our system of government has plenty of built in safeguards to prevent corporate control of our government.... The catch is, it's up to us the citzenry to enact those safeguards.... it's commonly known as VOTING. We have one of the worst voter turn outs of any democratic nations. Last year less than 45% of our population even voted!!.... That my friend is SICK. If people had gotten off their lazy asses, and voted, then those few hundred votes Bush won by in florida, wouldn't have mattered.
We have the safeguards to protect ourselves against corporate greed... it's our own damn fault for not enacting them.
-Max
But the Corporations in part fo their part by encouraging entropy among the public. The Assalt upon people by advertising, marketing, and the media pushes us to make the prime motice of our lives the accumulation of goods and wealth. Freedom is now defined in this country as HAVING the right to purchase an SUV.
We determine the condition of our Country using a measure of consumer Confidence.
I pledge alligence to the Flag of the United Corporations of America, and for the Products for which it markets, one nation, under Ceo's, consuming with Suv's and tv's for all
Originally posted by: Thera
Originally posted by: smashp
There was tons of competition in Communist Russia. Read a little bit about the aircraft designers in WW2... they were very competitive with each other. Probably more so than the airplane designers in the US.
The totalitarian Government forced the Entire russian Aircraft industry to focus on Coping the b-29 bomber right after WW2. They made a reverse engineered an entire American technological Wonder in 2 years.
something many experts said would have been impossible under any other government structure.
Granted, Failure most likely ment imprisonment or possible death if Stalin didnt get his way.
Very true but this was because Russia never had a heavy bomber... or needed one for that matter. The American threat was what created the need, not the Eastern Front conflict. That was a tactical mistake on there part and had nothing to do with there engineers.
Originally posted by: daniel1113
It's always those evil corporations...
Might I remind you that corporations make up a SUBSTANTIAL portion of the economy and provide millions of jobs. Perhaps we should get rid of them
People want to better themselves regardless of the amount of government money they receive. I make only a certain amount and I'm always trying to better my education and skills. These things are my passions in life, the things I'll have regardless of money.
Originally posted by: daniel1113
It's always those evil corporations...
Might I remind you that corporations make up a SUBSTANTIAL portion of the economy and provide millions of jobs. Perhaps we should get rid of them
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: daniel1113
It's always those evil corporations...
Might I remind you that corporations make up a SUBSTANTIAL portion of the economy and provide millions of jobs. Perhaps we should get rid of them
A Corporation on paper in the U.S. , the millions of jobs reside overseas in India and everwhere else.
At this rate the U.S. will be one Giant Island of a small top of the space needle group of super wealthy fat CEO's and Politicians with a huge poor Society of peasants that will serve them.
I don't think it will get that far because there will be a REVOLUTION before it gets that bad.