POLL: Will Communism ever work? Please let us hear your reasoning.

[K1052]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: daniel1113
It's always those evil corporations...

Might I remind you that corporations make up a SUBSTANTIAL portion of the economy and provide millions of jobs. Perhaps we should get rid of them

A Corporation on paper in the U.S. , the millions of jobs reside overseas in India and everwhere else.

At this rate the U.S. will be one Giant Island of a small top of the space needle group of super wealthy fat CEO's and Politicians with a huge poor Society of peasants that will serve them.

I don't think it will get that far because there will be a REVOLUTION before it gets that bad.

Yea, all corporations will move EVERYTHING overseas in the next few years.

 

[Doboji]

I think this argument is crap...

the invention of the Corporation was absolutely essential to the rise of our society in the last 100 years. Because it provides risk protection to those pursuing risky business ventures. Without corporations the modern lifestyle we currently enjoy would simply not exist. How exactly should we limit the rights of corporations?... Limit who CEOs appoint to what position? In case you forget CEO's are not corporations... they are citzens. Furthermore CEOs are hired by the owners of the corporation.... and here's the other beauty of the corporate concept... the owners are nothing more than the stock holders... This greatly increases citzens impact on these corporate entities. And yes it's true that that enables rich individuals to buy large quantities of stock, and thereby have a larger impact on the policies of the company. But that makes perfect sense... the more money you invest in a firm, the more control you SHOULD have over it's decisions.

That said... Corporations NEED it's employees, and there are and should be more laws on the books to protect employees from abusive power structures within corporations. But while you have a right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.... you DONOT have the right to gainfull employment, and a fair boss.

As far as buying the government.... thats what campaign finance reform is for.... but you do realize of course the bribery(because thats what it really is....) is as old as government itself...

-Max

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Doboji
I think this argument is crap...

the invention of the Corporation was absolutely essential to the rise of our society in the last 100 years. Because it provides risk protection to those pursuing risky business ventures. Without corporations none of the modern lifestyle we currently enjoy would simply not exist. How exactly should we limit the rights of corporations?... Limit who CEOs appoint to what position? In case you forget CEO's are not corporations... they are citzens. Furthermore CEOs are hired by the owners of the corporation.... and here's the other beauty of the corporate concept... the owners are nothing more than the stock holders... This greatly increases citzens impact on these corporate entities. And yes it's true that that enables rich individuals to buy large quantities of stock, and thereby have a larger impact on the policies of the company. But that makes perfect sense... the more money you invest in a firm, the more control you SHOULD have over it's decisions.

That said... Corporations NEED it's employees, and there are and should be more laws on the books to protect employees from abusive power structures within corporations. But while you have a right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.... you DONOT have the right to gainfull employment, and a fair boss.

As far as buying the government.... thats what campaign finance reform is for.... but you do realize of course the bribery(because thats what it really is....) is as old as government itself...

-Max

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[heartsurgeon]

At this rate the U.S. will be one Giant Island of a small top of the space needle group of super wealthy fat CEO's and Politicians with a huge poor Society of peasants that will serve them.

gee, you almost got it right:

At this rate, THE SOVIET UNION will be one Giant Island of a small top of the space needle group of super wealthy fat Apparachik and Russian Politicians with a hugh poor society of peasants that will serve them.

don't think it will get that far because there will be a REVOLUTION before it gets that bad.

you got that part right:

Starting in 1987, the Soviet satraps all began to revolt against the Russians, first Estonia demanded autonomy. This move was later followed by similar moves in Lithuania and Latvia. In the Transcaucasus region (in the South of the Soviet Union), a movement developed inside the Armenian-populated autonomous region of Nagorno-Karabagh, in the Republic of Azerbaijan. The Armenian population of this region demanded that they be granted the right to secede and join the Republic of Armenia, with whose population they were ethnically linked. Massive demonstrations were held in Armenia in solidarity with the secessionists in Nagorno-Karabagh. Movements emerged in Georgia, Ukraine, Moldova, Byelorussia, and the Central Asian republics seeking autonomy.

By January of 1992, by popular demand, the Soviet Union ceased to exist.

 

[colonel]

The communism will never work in the West but ask those guys in China they dont know Demo

 

[alexruiz]

It surely can work..... specially for extremely poor countries

All the ones posting here bashing the socialism/communism have forgotten he conditions existent in the Soviet Union, China or Cuba when they started their revolutions..... China was a medieval country en 1949, and now they are a waay more advanced country.

If the satisfactors, productions means and jobs are scarce, this is the only feasible alternative. However, once that a certain level of collective wealth has been reached it need to change into something closer to capitalism.

Alex

 

[rjain]

Communism works. That's what a family is. Note that it needs strong bonds of trust and loyalty and common goals.

If you don't like some CEO, don't work for him, don't buy his products, and don't invest in his company. Stop whining that he's evil if he gives you what you want.

 

[rjain]

Originally posted by: smashp

corporations are Totalitarian in nature, you do as your boss tells you. There is no "Democratic" structure within. There are checks and balances, but when Ceo's put their buddies on boards, it defeats the purpose.

You do as your boss tells you in exchange for a paycheck. Don't ask for a paycheck if you don't want to do what he tells you to do. No one is forcing you to work for him.

You're not entitled to a say in how someone else spends their own money. Corporations are actually democratic. Shareholders vote on what the corporation should do according to their stake in the corporation.

 

[ElFenix]

no, because you won't be able to filter out the people who are motivated to rise to the top and bend a system to their will. regardless of the political/economic system the same cadre will be in control.

 

[SuperTool]

It may work on a very small scale in a close knit group where everyone is personally interested in everyone's wellbeing. For example a family is an example of a small communist system, where the breadwinners contribute based on their ability, and then distribute to all family members based on their needs.
It doesn't scale well to larger groups, because people only care enough to share their resources about a small group of friends and relatives.

 

[glugglug]

No, human nature has too much greed and laziness for Communism to ever work.

 

[heartsurgeon]

It surely can work..... specially for extremely poor countries

opps, you've got it wrong again..

Cuba is as poor as you can get BECAUSE of communism..

you've got to get over this infantile, idealistic view of communism and the world...
the theory of communism is incompatible with human nature and existance,
the practice of communism is inevitably that of a totalitarian state..

lets put it in terms you might better understand, since someone else already made the analogy..
how would you like to live in your father's house the rest of your life, and have him always have absolute control
over what you do, what you make, how you live, and what you think....with no alternative..

that's a totalitarian state....no self-determination, no freedom.

there are other forms of totalitarian states that are just as bad as communism...but don't believe that
that their better than a truely democratic system..

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon

It surely can work..... specially for extremely poor countries

opps, you've got it wrong again..

Cuba is as poor as you can get BECAUSE of communism..

you've got to get over this infantile, idealistic view of communism and the world...
the theory of communism is incompatible with human nature and existance,
the practice of communism is inevitably that of a totalitarian state..

lets put it in terms you might better understand, since someone else already made the analogy..
how would you like to live in your father's house the rest of your life, and have him always have absolute control
over what you do, what you make, how you live, and what you think....with no alternative..

that's a totalitarian state....no self-determination, no freedom.

there are other forms of totalitarian states that are just as bad as communism...but don't believe that
that their better than a truely democratic system..

open a history book dude

Cuba is poor because of decades of US sanctions.
Considering this, Cuba is doing reasonably good (healtcare, etc...)

I agree with the rest of your post. Communism is incompatible with human nature

 

[heartsurgeon]

Cuba is poor because of decades of US sanctions.

and why are there sanctions? because it's commmunist.....

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Communism appeals to ideals of sacrifice and sharing for the common good.
Capitalism appeals to the greed and avarice. It presents unlimited opportunities to gain at the ruination of others.

Obviously, our system appeals to human nature better than communism.

I have unlimited faith in the dark side of humanity, while the good only presents itself on occasion.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Probably the closest that one could come to the conceptual living under a 'Communism Lifestyle'
is not really comunism at all - as we define communism. It is Communal Life for the good of the community.

Somewhere along the lines of the early religious folllowing that the Amish and simular beliving settlers decended from,
but have evolved away from in real time practice. Amana Colonies

 

[Ferocious]

Neither pure communism nor pure capitalism can work.

What is ideal is a capitalistic structure with a moderate amount of socialism mixed in.

History has proven such.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon

Cuba is poor because of decades of US sanctions.

and why are there sanctions? because it's commmunist.....

barf! Use your head!

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: freegeeks
Cuba is poor because of decades of US sanctions.

wrong. cuba has all the trade it wants from everywhere else in the world. try again.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: freegeeks
Cuba is poor because of decades of US sanctions.

wrong. cuba has all the trade it wants from everywhere else in the world. try again.

I'll have to go a Googlin, but I think you are both correctish. Most of the "Trade" between Cuba and Others is Tourism, but there is some direct investment into various Cuban Industries, mostly Resorts and the like. OTOH, the Trade of Goods seems to be cut off almost completely, which is why Cubans drive around in what seems to be a bubble of the US '50s.

Interestingly though, the greatest inflow of money comes from Cuban-Americans who send $100s of millions to Cuban relatives each year.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Interestingly though, the greatest inflow of money comes from Cuban-Americans who send $100s of millions to Cuban relatives each year.

Also as interesting is the fact that these same Cuban-Americans are pressing congress to keep the sanctions on,
reguardless of the consensus of the rest of the nations opinion. Old hates live longer than old loves.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: sandorski

I'll have to go a Googlin, but I think you are both correctish. Most of the "Trade" between Cuba and Others is Tourism, but there is some direct investment into various Cuban Industries, mostly Resorts and the like. OTOH, the Trade of Goods seems to be cut off almost completely, which is why Cubans drive around in what seems to be a bubble of the US '50s.

it's completely castro though. HE is the one limiting trade, as the europeans and canadians and chinese are more than willing to sell cuba anything they want.

 

[heartsurgeon]

cuba is poor because castro is a totalitarian dictator (a communist)
the economy is centrally planned and run, which is why it is in shambles.
there is no capital (cash) in the country to fund the development of industries, and
foreign capital is scarce because Castro "nationalized" (that is stole for his personal use)
international assets when he took over the country..

he has an "human rights" record which is non-existant.

communism is a canard...it is a idealist system that cannot in actuality exist...
it promises a utopia where everyone is cared for, in theory.
the reality of communism is Castro, or Kim Il-Jong, or Stalin, or Enver Hoca
Russia has rejected communism, china is morphing into something other than communist.

if it was going to "work", i think it would have by now.

 

[UCSDHappyAsian]

well.. i just happen to have a lot thoughts about Communism...
the idea is very simple... everyone works for government, government will provide you the food, some allowance, house to live, assign u a job......

the idea is very ideal... but the thing is, the world is not ideal....
for instance, farmers in communism countries wouldnot work too hard, cause he is still getting pay the same reward regardless of his harvest....
another example... when the government build some new houses for its citizens, who has the piority to get those houses?

it most likely turn out to be the official, official's relatives, and official friends... guess wut.... citizens are still suffering...

people may argue by sayin China are doing better and better each and everyday!! true, they are growing pretty fast... the thing is... they are doing communism as well as the CAPITALISM

 

[alexruiz]

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon

It surely can work..... specially for extremely poor countries

opps, you've got it wrong again..

Cuba is as poor as you can get BECAUSE of communism..

you've got to get over this infantile, idealistic view of communism and the world...
the theory of communism is incompatible with human nature and existance,
the practice of communism is inevitably that of a totalitarian state..

lets put it in terms you might better understand, since someone else already made the analogy..
how would you like to live in your father's house the rest of your life, and have him always have absolute control
over what you do, what you make, how you live, and what you think....with no alternative..

that's a totalitarian state....no self-determination, no freedom.

there are other forms of totalitarian states that are just as bad as communism...but don't believe that
that their better than a truely democratic system..

Someone suggested you open a history book, but I am going farther.... get a brain implant!

So, you haver never of the conditions they had under Fulgencio Batista? Sure, they were prospering under him if you consider "prospering" 12 year olds girls prostituting themselves for money to get food.... :rool;

Also, why are so many stupid people that believe comunism/socialism is not compatible with democracy? You have never heard of the Chile of Salvador Allende or the Nicaragua of Daniel Ortega?

Democracy doesn't mean capitalism (just check Pakistan) the same way comunism doesn't mean dictatorship

Comunism/socialism is more of an ECONOMICAL system rather that a politic system... but again, looking at the results fo the poll you can see the sheer amount of iditos who got brainwashed easily.... Let's make it clear for all the idiots like you who have no clue (too much TV):

The ONLY thing that makes a country socialist/comunist is production means/wealth generators owned or controlled by the goverment. period

A socialist country can be democratic, the same way way that a capitalist country can be a dictatorship..... so the phrase "democracy is opposed to comunism" is pure garbage.....

The post by this moron is proof that a lot of people are idiots who post whithout knowing enough about the subject But that is not strange on these boards.... Use your eyes and ears more and your mouth less....