Poll: Will Paul Ryan help or hurt Mitt Romney?

[her209]

Ryan comes off as elitist and out of touch.

 

[Balt]

Apparently Mitt Romney or his advisors think he needed some help in getting the tea partiers to the polls. Their dislike of President Obama may have been enough by itself, but I guess he wasn't willing to rely on that alone.

Does the pick help Romney? If it gets the dedicated R's to the polls and the independents and Dems stay home... maybe?

 

[Charles Kozierok]

It strikes me that all of the people who think this is a great move also thought that nominating Rick Santorum, Michele Bachmann, Newt Gingrich or Herman Cain would have been great moves.

 

[techs]

 

[hal2kilo]

Ryan comes off as elitist and out of touch.

As most followers of the prophet Ayn Rand are.

 

[techs]

I am curious as to what the next polls in Wisconsin say.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

Ryan is better than the average Ayn Rand follower. He's a religious Ayn Rand follower.

Talk about cognitive dissonance.

 

[fantolay]

 

[MovingTarget]

I don't think that will be construed the way you think it should be construed... :hmm:

 

[cybrsage]

What in the world does this even mean? That he's an easy target for attack ads that will draw attention from attack ads aimed at Romney's taxes? Why in the world do you assume attacks ads are 'impotent' when objectively they work? And how is that a positive?

It means that the lonnie returners will now be able to walk away from their insanely loonie position of demanding something stupid without ever having to admit they were part of that insane group.

 

[MovingTarget]

Ryan is better than the average Ayn Rand follower. He's a religious Ayn Rand follower.

Talk about cognitive dissonance.

This is what I don't get about the GOP. They speak of following the teachings of Jesus when in reality they follow Ayn Rand. The views espoused by each figure are fundamentally opposite. I just don't get it...

 

[cybrsage]

You have to be careful. In this forum, you can compare Bush to animals all day long, but if you compare either of the Obamas to animals, you are a horrible person who needs to be shut down.

It is just how this forum rolls.

 

[fantolay]

You have to be careful. In this forum, you can compare Bush to animals all day long, but if you compare either of the Obamas to animals, you are a horrible person who needs to be shut down.

It is just how this forum rolls.

That's twisted.

 

[Moonbeam]

Because the US is divided into about half the population not giving a shit, and a quarter insane conservatives and a fourth who can still reason, I see no net gain in any choice Romney could make. A brain defective 1/4 will vote for the turd no matter who he picks, and 1/4 will still see he's a turd regardless of who is his running mate.

Everything will depend on whether the the number of brain defective voters who respond with fear and anger to the economy enough to want to shoot themselves in the foot vote for Romney over Obama. It all depends on how many idiots the Republicans can stimulate with enough anxiety to vote self hate. That's all American elections are about. Can the Republicans play the ignorant psychotic average American voter to respond with the worst side of his or her nature or not. As we know, it's always easier to go down hill rather than up. The faculty of reason requires freedom from emotional imbalance, education, and intelligence. Those take liberal conditions and years of training to develop. American social conditions turn most people into pigs, the voting stock of the Republican party and that's the way it is.

 

[Geosurface]

Will Paul Ryan help or hurt Mitt Romney?

I believe Ryan will hurt Romney because the Obama campaign can probably really highlight the medicare angle and get more senior support away from Romney.

I expected Romney to pick someone female, black, or both or at least Bobby Jindal or something because I thought he was looking to straight up pander and try to counter his image as Mr. Whitey White Richy Rich. Instead, he did the ultimate "within my comfort zone" pick and doubled down on what he is.

I don't think that helps him, though perhaps with certain people it does... backward thinkers.

Frankly, I think he is shooting himself in the foot, and helping to solidify the image of disconnected, rich, out to prey upon the middle and lower classes to further enrich his already obscenely rich class EVEN MORE than that image was already solidified.

I could be wrong.

But, I don't think Romney's going to win. I'm glad, because while I am dramatically less enthusiastic about Obama than I was in 2008, he's still nowhere near as bad as Romney. Pretty bad, but not that bad.

 

[MovingTarget]

You have to be careful. In this forum, you can compare Bush to animals all day long, but if you compare either of the Obamas to animals, you are a horrible person who needs to be shut down.

It is just how this forum rolls.

No cybrsage, that isn't right. You have to consider historical and cultural context. Putting Obama right alongside a picture of Bobo the chimp will rightfully draw criticism due to this context. Putting the same picture of Obama next to Alex the Grey Parrot....not so much. It is very clear what the former picture is trying to insinuate.

 

[Geosurface]

You have to be careful. In this forum, you can compare Bush to animals all day long, but if you compare either of the Obamas to animals, you are a horrible person who needs to be shut down.

It is just how this forum rolls.

Let's not pretend it's an identical situation.

It's different to mock a traditionally powerful class of people (rich white guys who come from privilege) it's quite another to kick a minority when it's down.

Also, there is a history of dehumanizing blacks in order to fuel hatred against them, up to and including lynching and deprivation of rights.

No such history of those sorts of comparisons being used in that way with rich white guys.

Also, since the majority of the US is white, and the majority of posters in online forums etc are male, it can typically be assumed that the person making the comparison is a white male, and therefore also assumed that they aren't racist against their own group... it takes on a whole different angle when you're comparing someone from ANOTHER group to an animal.

It just isn't equivalent, at all.

Plus frankly, Bush did actually look like a chimp, Obama doesn't at all IMO.

 

[Moonbeam]

You have to be careful. In this forum, you can compare Bush to animals all day long, but if you compare either of the Obamas to animals, you are a horrible person who needs to be shut down.

It is just how this forum rolls.

Really, all I see, given that racists from time immemorial have equated black people with apes, is that you are trying to using the excuse of some touted mod dis proportionality caused by reaction to your belligerently excessive posting style to obfuscate an intent to slip in a racist dig. That WOULD be a horrible thing to do, no?

 

[cybrsage]

Let's not pretend it's an identical situation.

It's different to mock a traditionally powerful class of people (rich white guys who come from privilege) it's quite another to kick a minority when it's down.

Obama is down? Really? Seriously? Being President of the United States is "a minority when it's down"?

The difference is that people say it is racist to compare one race to an animal but not racist to compare another race to an animal. That, in and of itself, is a statement giving benefits to one race but not another, which is a racist act.

Plus frankly, Bush did actually look like a chimp, Obama doesn't at all IMO.

True, but Michelle really does look like a wookie...only with less hair.

 

[cybrsage]

Really, all I see, given that racists from time immemorial have equated black people with apes, is that you are trying to using the excuse of some touted mod dis proportionality caused by reaction to your belligerently excessive posting style to obfuscate an intent to slip in a racist dig. That WOULD be a horrible thing to do, no?

What a racist belief you hold. You are claiming it is fine to denigrate whites because they are white.

 

[cybrsage]

Because the US is divided into about half the population not giving a shit, and a quarter insane conservatives and a fourth who can still reason.

You never fail to amuse us with your liberal shill stance.

 

[Moonbeam]

What a racist belief you hold. You are claiming it is fine to denigrate whites because they are white.

I didn't say it is fine to denigrate anybody. What I said is that comparing a white person to a chimp has no racial history as a form of stereotypical put down whereas comparing black people to monkeys is par for racist thinking.

This is why, what you did, could be viewed as a horrible act. It's like calling a white person the N word. It doesn't pack any punch. Any attempt to slur people when effective aims for where they live. That is why your post was much more provocative than the one you challenged and exactly why you saw it as threatening of this forum. An attack on a politician is one thing. A racial attack is quite another. By not distinguishing between those two things you attempted to create a false equivalency.

 

[cybrsage]

I didn't say it is fine to denigrate anybody. What I said is that comparing a white person to a chimp has no racial history as a form of stereotypical put down whereas comparing black people to monkeys is par for racist thinking.

This is why it is obvious you are still stumbling in your self created darkness, thinking it is light. It is either wrong to compare all races to animals or ok to compare all races to animals. Saying it is worse to compare one race to animals than it is another race shows racism on your part.

Racism loves to ensure it stays around by treating people differently due to their race. In order to move past racism, you have to start treating people the same based on their actions and not the color of their skin.

 

[Moonbeam]

You never fail to amuse us with your liberal shill stance.

I am also never refuted. What else can you do but be amused. You are too self defended and too delusional to cry.

 

[cybrsage]

I am also never refuted. What else can you do but be amused. You are too self defended and too delusional to cry.

Refuted? Reality does that on a regular basis for us. You claim conservatives are mentally broken and liberals are not. You do this because of your self created darkness wherein you live. I know you cannot help it, it is just how those like you act. That is why I pity you, for if you could just realize you are living in darkness, you might work to improve yourself. Your brain defect may prevent it, but I have hopes it is not a bad one and you can escape your self imposed prison in which you think you are thriving, but in reality you are slowly withering away.

I do not weep for you any more than I weep for the lemming which follows its doomed kin to its death. I hope you will realize the path you are on, and turn aside, but if not then you may at least serve as an example to others of what not to do.