POLL: Would you support a Headscarf (worn by Muslim women) ban in the US

[miguel]

/me shakes his head.

HAWAII SEPARATIONISTS BATTLE RELIGIOUS ZONING EXEMPTION FOR GIANT CHURCH CROSSES

For the past three weeks, HCSSC has specifically objected to a 20-foot cross visible from the H-1 freeway that was constructed last year by St. Jude's Catholic Church. Spokesperson Mitch Kahle says that the cross is the equivalent of a billboard or advertising sign, and should be removed since it is nearly ten times the size permitted by city law in Makakilo, Oahu.

HCSSC THREATENS TO ERECT HUGE GAY SIGN
Snubbed by city officials, HCSSC last week announced that it would find another way to resolve the situation involving religious icons by applying for a permit to construct a large homosexual symbol just up the road from St. Jude's. Mr. Kahle said that the 20-foot symbol would reside outside a member's nearby townhouse, and calls for two enormous interlocking "male signs."

Later on...

Crosses will be regulated as signs - If more than 16 feet high, they'll be subject to city ordinances

Later, the city contemplated changing their rules to allow 16-foot and taller "symbols," including crosses, to be placed only on properties designated as meeting places which, by law, must be at least 20,000 square feet in size.

The change would, in effect, have allowed the cross but not the Satanic or gay symbols.

The two men, the Hawaii Citizens for the Separation of State and Church and the American Civil Liberties Union all balked at that proposal, claiming discrimination against smaller groups.

The city apparently has dropped those plans.

In June, St. Jude Catholic Church parishoners Ray Datzman
and Ryan Mun, 6, positioned the 20-foot cross in the church
after it was removed from an outside location

There's more here: Hawaii Citizens for the Separation of State and Church

 

[Gaard]

My apologies Miguel. I thought you were talking about some guy telling the courts that a church must remove their cross because it offended them...I didn't know (and you didn't tell us) that the cross was ordered removed for violatiing some law.

 

[OrganizedChaos]

if i can't wear a hat/hood anymore for "security reasons" why should they get to wear there head thingy?

 

[DT4K]

Originally posted by: OrganizedChaos
if i can't wear a hat/hood anymore for "security reasons" why should they get to wear there head thingy?

WTF are you people talking about.
Of course you can wear a hood if you want.
But you have to take it off to identify yourself if you are getting a driver's license photo or getting on a plane.

Dave, first you started by saying that:
"You may wear it in the Privacy of your home or Temple but not in Public. In public it is considered the Promotion of Religion and that is illegal in the U.S. and now the world. "

which is obviously not true.
If you want to go door to door and tell people to convert to whatever religion you practice, you are free to do so.
There is no law against "Promotion of Religion" in the U.S.
Not for private citizens.

Now you are turning it into a "some atheists want religious symbols removed" argument?
Well I never said that there weren't any wacko atheists out there.
We are guaranteed the right to practice our religion and we still have that right.
Arguments about religious symbols on public property and in a public institution are different than arguments about whether people can wear a cross or not. Duh.

 

[Moonbeam]

I don't think women should be allowed to wear clothes.

 

[Teclis2323]

"You may wear it in the Privacy of your home or Temple but not in Public. In public it is considered the Promotion of Religion and that is illegal in the U.S. and now the world"

Your understanding of US Law is flawed. I can wear kipot whenever and wherever I desire.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: daniel1113
Although I think headscarfs are the oppitomy of self-imprisonment , I don't really care if they are worn in public. However, they should be removed for driver's license pictures and during other times of identification.

Well that's just your ignorance- but don't take that personal. It's part of their culture and held dear to them. They can just as easily point to us and say we're fools for choking ourselves with tight ties around our necks, or point at our women in disgust at how they will mutilate their own foot to fit into a fancy high heel shoe

Ignorance, huh? Well, since you are so smart, why don't you tell me how these headscarfs became a part of their religion/culture? I'll give you a hint: it wasn't to keep dust out of their eyes. Ties and high heels are not religion symbols. I don't care that they wear headscarves. It is just foolish that they continue to wear them for religious reasons when they are nothing more than tools of self-imprisonment. But hey, more power to them. I just don't want to hear them complain when they are asked to remove it for a driver's license picture.

Many women in Eastern Europe and in rural Europe wear headscarves and this tradition has predated Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. Women who are orthodox jews also were headscarves as well in some countries. Maybe you should actually talk to a muslim women who wears some sort of head covering or hajab and ask her why she does so, you'll get a very interesting response IMHO.

http://www.iiie.net/Brochures/Brochure-23.html

Other secondary reasons include the requirement for modesty in both men and women. Both will then to be evaluated for intelligence and skills instead of looks and sexuality. An Iranian schoolgirl is quoted as saying, " We want to stop men from treating us like sex objects, as they have always done. We want them to ignore our appearance and to be attentive to our personalities and mind. We want them to take us seriously and treat us as equals and not just chase us around for our bodies and physical looks."

 

[thomsbrain]

if you ban those, you better ban crosses on necklaces.

 

[The Green Bean]

The US says ppl are free...Freedom means they can wear whatever they want. Firtst ban nude then clothes...

 

[Moonbeam]

Everybody should wear Mao jackets.