POLLO: Which dead rapper do you miss the most?

[mrjminer]

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The reason rock is music and rap is not (ie: it's just "noise") is because rock actually requires a talent beyond the ability to talk. I'm still amazed people defend rap. Rap is just a def poetry jam of lesser quality and ingenuity with bass thumps in the background. Even though there hasn't been any good rock music in the past 10 years or so, there's never been good rap (note here how I omit the word "music").

Here's a test you can perform to determine what real music is:
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Test 1:
1. Give a 10 year old a piece of paper and a pencil and tell him to write a poem
2. Have him to read the poem while beating on a wood piece of furniture

Test 2:
1. Get a 10 year old to gather a group of his friends and distribute amongst them the following instruments and equipment: at least one guitar, a bass, a set of drums
2. Give the first kid a piece of paper and a pencil and tell him to write a poem
3. Have all of the kids play their instruments while the first kid sings his poem

Test 3:
1. Sit a 10 year old down at a piano
2. Give him a piece of sheet music paper and tell him to write a song
3. Have him play his song on the instrument
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The test that produces sounds better than the other two tests is not music.

 

[Zebo]

LOL I'd like to have the 300 million of no talent in my bank account like M. If it's so easy what are you waiting for?

 

[BillGates]

Where is Big L, Big Pun, MC Trouble, Buffy? I put them all above Pac as well.

Big Pun is in the poll.

 

[BillGates]

The reason rock is music and rap is not (ie: it's just "noise") is because rock actually requires a talent beyond the ability to talk. I'm still amazed people defend rap. Rap is just a def poetry jam of lesser quality and ingenuity with bass thumps in the background. Even though there hasn't been any good rock music in the past 10 years or so, there's never been good rap (note here how I omit the word "music").

Here's a test you can perform to determine what real music is:
---
Test 1:
1. Give a 10 year old a piece of paper and a pencil and tell him to write a poem
2. Have him to read the poem while beating on a wood piece of furniture

Test 2:
1. Get a 10 year old to gather a group of his friends and distribute amongst them the following instruments and equipment: at least one guitar, a bass, a set of drums
2. Give the first kid a piece of paper and a pencil and tell him to write a poem
3. Have all of the kids play their instruments while the first kid sings his poem

Test 3:
1. Sit a 10 year old down at a piano
2. Give him a piece of sheet music paper and tell him to write a song
3. Have him play his song on the instrument
---

The test that produces sounds better than the other two tests is not music.

WAT

BTW, there are hip hop groups that play with a full band...guitars, bass, drums, even brass. Check out The Roots to start.

 

[Zebo]

Big Pun is in the poll.

Ah... And only two votes WTF!!! Whatever.

 

[mrjminer]

LOL I'd like to have the 300 million of no talent in my bank account like M. If it's so easy what are you waiting for?

Shit, looking at the amount of idiots in this thread who think rap is music I just might!

 

[Crono]

The reason rock is music and rap is not (ie: it's just "noise") is because rock actually requires a talent beyond the ability to talk. I'm still amazed people defend rap. Rap is just a def poetry jam of lesser quality and ingenuity with bass thumps in the background. Even though there hasn't been any good rock music in the past 10 years or so, there's never been good rap (note here how I omit the word "music").

Here's a test you can perform to determine what real music is:
---
Test 1:
1. Give a 10 year old a piece of paper and a pencil and tell him to write a poem
2. Have him to read the poem while beating on a wood piece of furniture

Test 2:
1. Get a 10 year old to gather a group of his friends and distribute amongst them the following instruments and equipment: at least one guitar, a bass, a set of drums
2. Give the first kid a piece of paper and a pencil and tell him to write a poem
3. Have all of the kids play their instruments while the first kid sings his poem

Test 3:
1. Sit a 10 year old down at a piano
2. Give him a piece of sheet music paper and tell him to write a song
3. Have him play his song on the instrument
---

The test that produces sounds better than the other two tests is not music.

Yes, I always judge what constitutes music by what 10 year olds can play :hmm:

Seriously, where do you people come up with these ridiculous hypothetical and arbitrary tests? And why are rock instruments the middle standard there? Why not add a 4th test:

Test 4:
1. Find a large group of 10 year olds (uhohs, I don't like where this is going )
2. Give them sheet music
3. Organize them by instrument type (percussion, string, brass, woodwind)
4. Assign a conductor
5. Have them start playing

The two tests that produce better music than the remaining two are not music.

Are you starting to see the flaw in your logic?

Also, rap =/= "def poetry". Some of the more complex rap accompaniment can include similar band music to rock or even full orchestration. Rap has all the qualities of any other genre of music. If you aren't familiar with the definition of music, you can brush up in a matter of minutes by basic musical theory. I doubt you have listened to a wide range of modern rap/hip-hop if you fail to see the parallels between what rock has done (grown with acquisition and fusion of other genres - you can't fail to see how rock "borrowed" heavily from classical music and jazz and other forms that preceded it) and what rap/hip-hop has done.

Just because you don't appreciate it doesn't mean it isn't music. Learn the difference between appreciation and definition.

 

[mrjminer]

Yes, I always judge what constitutes music by what 10 year olds can play :hmm:

Seriously, where do you people come up with these ridiculous hypothetical and arbitrary tests? And why are rock instruments the middle standard there? Why not add a 4th test:

Test 4:
1. Find a large group of 10 year olds (uhohs, I don't like where this is going )
2. Give them sheet music
3. Organize them by instrument type (percussion, string, brass, woodwind)
4. Assign a conductor
5. Have them start playing

The two tests that produce better music than the remaining two are not music.

Are you starting to see the flaw in your logic?

Also, rap =/= "def poetry". Some of the more complex rap accompaniment can include similar band music to rock or even full orchestration. Rap has all the qualities of any other genre of music. If you aren't familiar with the definition of music, you can brush up in a matter of minutes by basic musical theory.

Just because you don't appreciate it doesn't mean it isn't music.

I'm pretty sure you missed the point of the tests because your conclusion makes no sense. If you can pick a ten year old off the street and what they produce is of the same quality as a "professional musician," then whoever they're being compared against (ie: all rappers) are not real musicians.

Also, I said rap was not def poetry.

Rap does not have all the qualities of any other genre of music: every other genre of music is either purely instrumental or contains instruments and (gasp) singing.

Just because you appreciate something doesn't mean it is music.

Anyways, I think I'm done. I've effectively provided my rationale and you've resulted to the only argument anyone can make when presented with the facts of how rap is not music: no, it really is music, you just don't know it!!!

 

[Possessed Freak]

Vincent Price did a good job in Thriller.

 

[Crono]

I'm pretty sure you missed the point of the tests because your conclusion makes no sense. If you can pick a ten year old off the street and what they produce is of the same quality as a "professional musician," then whoever they're being compared against (ie: all rappers) are not real musicians.

I used your same methodology. If the conclusion doesn't make sense, realize that it wasn't supposed to. I just mirrored your logic.

Also, I said rap was not def poetry.

Rap does not have all the qualities of any other genre of music: every other genre of music is either purely instrumental or contains instruments and (gasp) singing.

As per Wikipedia:

In music, a song is a composition that contains vocal parts ("lyrics") that are performed ("sung"), commonly accompanied by musical instruments, exception in the case of a cappella songs. The lyrics of songs are typically of a poetic, rhyming nature, although they may be religious verses or free prose.

Just because you appreciate something doesn't mean it is music.

I don't appreciate country music at all, but I still recognize that it is indeed music. Same for nueva cancion, oratario, ska punk, etc.

Anyways, I think I'm done. I've effectively provided my rationale and you've resulted to the only argument anyone can make when presented with the facts of how rap is not music: no, it really is music, you just don't know it!!!

Rap is defined as music by anyone and everyone who recognizes what rhythm, melody and (to a lesser extent) harmony are.

Case in point: random selection from my collection:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8ULIw0Zgaw

 

[Crono]

Vincent Price did a good job in Thriller.

That is pretty good

Very creepy, especially now considering Jackson and him are both dead (Price for a longer time).
His laughing and MJ's face at the end scared the crap out of me when I was < 5.

 

[Firsttime]

The reason rock is music and rap is not (ie: it's just "noise") is because rock actually requires a talent beyond the ability to talk. I'm still amazed people defend rap. Rap is just a def poetry jam of lesser quality and ingenuity with bass thumps in the background. Even though there hasn't been any good rock music in the past 10 years or so, there's never been good rap (note here how I omit the word "music").

Here's a test you can perform to determine what real music is:
---
Test 1:
1. Give a 10 year old a piece of paper and a pencil and tell him to write a poem
2. Have him to read the poem while beating on a wood piece of furniture

Test 2:
1. Get a 10 year old to gather a group of his friends and distribute amongst them the following instruments and equipment: at least one guitar, a bass, a set of drums
2. Give the first kid a piece of paper and a pencil and tell him to write a poem
3. Have all of the kids play their instruments while the first kid sings his poem

Test 3:
1. Sit a 10 year old down at a piano
2. Give him a piece of sheet music paper and tell him to write a song
3. Have him play his song on the instrument
---

The test that produces sounds better than the other two tests is not music.

I'm surprised I'm even replying to this, it is just so dumb. Music is the expression of self through melody and rhythm. Rap accomplishes this, just as rock accomplishes it, just as classical accomplishes it. Sure there are rap artists whose music might leave you with a lot to be desired. But that is not confined to any genre, it is common to them all. Rap for instance is excellent as conveying angst and passion.

Listen to old N.W.A. or heck even Eminem and you can feel it. Their anger at their situations, regardless of whether you agree with what they are saying, they are expressing themselves through rhythm and rhyme. You prefer melodic music, good for you, so do I. Doesn't mean you need to trash entire genres you don't understand, especially in such juvenile terms.

Oh and there has been good rock music in the past decade, just because you can't find it doesn't mean it isn't there.

 

[Crono]

I'm surprised I'm even replying to this, it is just so dumb. Music is the expression of self through melody and rhythm. Rap accomplishes this, just as rock accomplishes it, just as classical accomplishes it. Sure there are rap artists whose music might leave you with a lot to be desired. But that is not confined to any genre, it is common to them all. Rap for instance is excellent as conveying angst and passion.

Listen to old N.W.A. or heck even Eminem and you can feel it. Their anger at their situations, regardless of whether you agree with what they are saying, they are expressing themselves through rhythm and rhyme. You prefer melodic music, good for you, so do I. Doesn't mean you need to trash entire genres you don't understand, especially in such juvenile terms.

Oh and there has been good rock music in the past decade, just because you can't find it doesn't mean it isn't there.

Excellent points, especially agree with the bolded.

Rap isn't even my favorite genre of music (probably a 3 way tie between classical, rock, and contemporary instrumental, if you discount pop as being too broad). Bands and artists that combine the genres tend to be at the top of my list.

 

[SlitheryDee]

Honestly, I don't really miss any of them. 2pac is the only one in the poll that had any music that I think is listenable. Even then I'd listen to almost anything else before listening to 2pac.

 

[Sho'Nuff]

WAT

BTW, there are hip hop groups that play with a full band...guitars, bass, drums, even brass. Check out The Roots to start.

The drummer for the Roots is bada$$. One snare, one bass, one cymbal = crazy funky beats.

 

[Sho'Nuff]

The reason rock is music and rap is not (ie: it's just "noise") is because rock actually requires a talent beyond the ability to talk. I'm still amazed people defend rap. Rap is just a def poetry jam of lesser quality and ingenuity with bass thumps in the background. Even though there hasn't been any good rock music in the past 10 years or so, there's never been good rap (note here how I omit the word "music").

Here's a test you can perform to determine what real music is:
---
Test 1:
1. Give a 10 year old a piece of paper and a pencil and tell him to write a poem
2. Have him to read the poem while beating on a wood piece of furniture

Test 2:
1. Get a 10 year old to gather a group of his friends and distribute amongst them the following instruments and equipment: at least one guitar, a bass, a set of drums
2. Give the first kid a piece of paper and a pencil and tell him to write a poem
3. Have all of the kids play their instruments while the first kid sings his poem

Test 3:
1. Sit a 10 year old down at a piano
2. Give him a piece of sheet music paper and tell him to write a song
3. Have him play his song on the instrument
---

The test that produces sounds better than the other two tests is not music.

OK confess. You listen to a lot of Philip Glass. Don't you? C'mon. You can admit it.

 

[SparkyJJO]

Rap != music.

Just saying.

But I'm no racist or a troll so I'm not voting in your stinkin' poll
What does race have to do with rap anyway...

 

[feralkid]

The Fresh Prince, Fo Sho

Not dead.

 

[alkemyst]

Test 5:
1. Find a large group of 10 year olds.
2. Give them access to mics, keyboards, guitars, bass, drums, etc
3. Mark off stage locations.
4. Have them start playing.
5. Go find the two that broke away to try getting another 10 year old naked.
6. You found the next 'Vocalist' and 'Lead Guitarist' for a hot band in 8 years.

 

[Gothgar]

Test 5:
1. Find a large group of 10 year olds.
2. Give them access to mics, keyboards, guitars, bass, drums, etc
3. Mark off stage locations.
4. Have them start playing.
5. Go find the two that broke away to try getting another 10 year old naked.
6. You found the next 'Vocalist' and 'Lead Guitarist' for a hot band in 8 years.

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[alkemyst]

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it's really not about the music.

 

[QueBert]

Shit, looking at the amount of idiots in this thread who think rap is music I just might!

you know what's crazy, I used Pro Tools today to make a rap song. Last time I checked, the only thing Pro Tools does is MAKE MUSIC. So I used a program that does nothing but music to make a rap song, which according to you isn't even music. Now is that even possible?? I was working in measures today, which is ummm a musical thing. The whole 4/4 thing that applies to any other genre of music applies to rap too (imagine that) I produce a rap song the same way I'd produced a Rock song, I'd even use the exact same software, in the exact same way to do both. People who hate rap so much they carry on about how it's not even music just make themselves look retarded.

 

[IronWing]

you know what's crazy, I used Pro Tools today to make a rap song. Last time I checked, the only thing Pro Tools does is MAKE MUSIC. So I used a program that does nothing but music to make a rap song, which according to you isn't even music. Now is that even possible?? I was working in measures today, which is ummm a musical thing. The whole 4/4 thing that applies to any other genre of music applies to rap too (imagine that) I produce a rap song the same way I'd produced a Rock song, I'd even use the exact same software, in the exact same way to do both. People who hate rap so much they carry on about how it's not even music just make themselves look retarded.

You make rap? I had no idea, you've always been so sensitive. How do you square music that seems to be mostly about killing, whoring, going to jail with taking offense at jokes about those very same topics?

Anyway, if you got any samples online I'll give them a listen. I'll listen to any music that doesn't suck*.







*Country &#8800; music

 

[alkemyst]

You make rap? I had no idea, you've always been so sensitive. How do you square music that seems to be mostly about killing, whoring, going to jail with taking offense at jokes about those very same topics?

Anyway, if you got any samples online I'll give them a listen. I'll listen to any music that doesn't suck*.







*Country &#8800; music

holy fuck you just fucking fucked all fucking genres of fucking music. What's left the kazoo?

Have you listened to 'music' or just what you wake up to on a beat up clock radio?

 

[IronWing]

holy fuck you just fucking fucked all fucking genres of fucking music. What's left the kazoo?

Have you listened to 'music' or just what you wake up to on a beat up clock radio?

I didn't say that I don't care for music about killing, whoring, and going to jail. I said that Quebert seems a bit sensitive for that sort of thing.