Poor AMD

[jeffrey]

Multiprocessor systems still not available in U.S.
266mhz bus Athlons months late
Palomino Athlons delayed
Mustang canned
Initial PC2100 prices

AMD has been too great a company in 2000 to ruin it in the year 2001. It's just bothering me that they are looking like the Intel of 2000 in 2001.

Intel 2000 AMD 2001
Timma Mustang
P3 1000 delay Athlon-c delay
p4 intro Palomino intro
PC800 price and avail. PC2100 price and avail.

Last year when AMD launched a chip it was with immediate availabitlity, this year the announcement of 266mhz fsb was followed by a long wait. AMD STILL has no Athlon notebook part and that is the only glimmer of light in this time of sluggish pc sales. From a pure marketing prospective they beat Intel to 1ghz, now they have been stuck at 1.2ghz since (from AMD's site.)October 17, 2000

 

[jaydee]

266 Mhz processors, are no big deal, because OEM's can't afford them yet, and by unlocking the multipliers, and adjusting the FSB, 200 Mhz parts do the same thing for hardware enthusiasts. PC2100 prices aren't AMD's fault, and they are coming down. Mustang was never hyped as much as Timna, as well as the fact that it's just a stepping stone in AMD's roadmap, nothing of great importance. Athlons have made there way to 1.33Ghz.
I agree with the notebook parts though, and I do wish they made better chipsets, and made them quicker (smp anyone?)

 

[Remnant2]

yes, basically both manufacturers have been in a very lethargic stasis since last year. After all, the P4 was released at 1.5ghz, and yet here we are, 4-5months later, and thats' still the top speed, and expensive as all hell to boot?

Similarily, AMD has been anemic in releasing the faster speed grades, Palomino seems to be in a delay'd rut, and DDR is just now, finally becoming fully available.


I think the blame for this one goes to the economy. All of the big OEMs are hemmoraging money, PC sales are down, and introducing new speeds, when the old speeds do consumer apps nicely already, isn't a big deal.

 

[Sugadaddy]

It's true that they're late with the SMP chipset, and also with notebook parts, but the rest doesn't bother me at all.

200mhz bus CPUs can be used at 266mhz easily, Palomino will be nice, but they're able to get 1.3ghz without it, so it's not a necessity right now, and as for pc2100 prices, you can get pc1600 for almost the same price as pc133, and at least, unlike Intel, it's not the only memory option you have.

 

[ElFenix]

AMD took its sweet time releasing a 1.33 because they felt (and rightly) that the 1.2 is fast enough to compete with the 1.5 GHz P4. the 1.33 would simply have driven down the margins on their other processors.

 

[lazyboy]

PC sales are down. Why buy a 1GHZ processor when you a 600 is plenty for business apps?

 

[Wingznut]

Personally, I'm not buying that excuse ElFenix. AMD could just charge more for the 1.3ghz, without changing the pricing on the lower speeds at all.

My guess is they aren't producing the yields necessary, yet.

 

[NOS440]

If AMD had the ability to stick it to intel they would do it every time. There definitly having yeild problems which is no suprise to me. There smooth sailing is over.

 

[Remnant2]

nod, yields at 1.3ghz for the Tbird, I'm sure, are probably rather low... I don't know about pally, because we know next to nothing about what, if any, speed tweaks it includes.

 

[jaydee]

<< My guess is they aren't producing the yields necessary, yet. >>




<< If AMD had the ability to stick it to intel they would do it every time. There definitly having yeild problems which is no suprise to me. There smooth sailing is over. >>




<< nod, yields at 1.3ghz for the Tbird, I'm sure, are probably rather low... I don't know about pally, because we know next to nothing about what, if any, speed tweaks it includes. >>


The yeilds are there. You see Compuwiz's for sale list? 1Ghz parts garaunteed at 1.4Ghz. AND THAT IS FROM 1GHZ PARTS! That is not uncommon either. They are all over the place. They have yields, I too are unsure of why the won't flex their muscles however.

 

[Wingznut]

AMD's standards for guaranteeing (sp?) a cpu are a bit more stringant than Compuwiz's.

While Compuwiz's selection is (as always) impressive, it is not necessarily representative of the market as a whole.

 

[jeffrey]

AMD--doesn't feel the need to release desktop speed grades to compete with P4 or even higher than they currently have.

INTC--releases 1ghz notebooks today with NO competition.

 

[MikeyP]

The reason they don't do it is economics. Generally, you don't release your biggest and baddest now because you can sell it twice. If Intel and AMD were not to ramp up speeds as they do, and just release what they are capable of, people would not buy nearly as many chips. And if you are disappointed about PC2100, check out Crucial...you can get sticks there for a great price

 

[Quickfingerz]

if you look at the OEM market and see how much AMD is gaining, i wouldn't say poor AMD. consumers in the OEM market don't care for a 266 mhz fsb, or whether the palomino comes out.

Intel last year had a much bigger problem. They couldn't push out chips fast enought and the &quot;paper release&quot; of the 1ghz P3 as well as the recall of the 1.13 ghz P3 was much worse.

 

[dingdongdingdong]

hum AMD are not poor cos palomino will announced tomorow guy

 

[Degenerate]

<< INTC--releases 1ghz notebooks today with NO competition. >>



They did that so their name will be remembered for a long time by business people. the Notebook sections is growing much faster than the Pc market. Wouldn't you be stopped, (if you new nothing much about computers) if you went by a shop and saw this beast at 1GHz on a Laptop???

 

[Quickfingerz]

I agree,
Notebooks not using AMD chips hurts them a lot. Someone needs to ship those chips quick. I remember someone who was able to run their t-bird at 1.1 volts which would be more than cool enough for a mobile CPU.

 

[billabong]

AMD need to get the revised T-Bird core out ASAP. The current core has no hope of running in laptop market, with the power it consumes let alone the heat the chip puts out.

 

[AnMig]

maybe amd is waiting for videocards and applications to catch up to there high speed cpu's

 

[TravisBickle]

good luck AMD

 

[PCResources]

AMD are still gaining market shares, how would you explain that??

AMD is waiting for the next generation, the T-bird can run at 1.6 max, and it will come out eventually, as of now, the T-bird 1.2 is waaaayyyy cheaper than any P4 at any speed, and in tests it slaps the P4 silly, so why release anything befor the market is full....

Some people will upgrade, if you release a new CPU speed month after month, they will wait, when they get tired of waiting for new cpu speeds, then they buy...

AMD can produce 1.6Ghz T-birds today...

Patrick Palm

PC Resources

 

[Wingznut]

So, on one hand you guys say that people generally just choose thier purchase by the machine with the fastest mhz (which I don't disagree with). Then on the other hand you say that AMD could have the fastest mhz cpu on the planet, but chooses not to. What sense does this make?

Consumers could look at two PC's, side by side. One with a 1.6ghz and one with a 1.5ghz. And the 1.6ghz would be cheaper. How could AMD possibly think that this would be a bad thing?

I think that having the fastest (mhz) PC out is very important, in the scheme of &quot;Joe Average&quot; consumer. If AMD could do that, and completely smack around Intel, they wouldn't hesitate.

 

[pm]

<< AMD can produce 1.6Ghz T-birds today... >>


Well, why don't they? There has to be some really good reason. Why would any company just sit on a product improvement? Especially one that doesn't cost them anything at all to perform? If they are binning 1.6GHz parts why not sell them? Because 1.3GHz is fast enough? So AMD's engineers are looking at what they have coming out and saying, &quot;Well, the 1.3GHz parts are performing pretty well against our competition, so we'll just take this big stack of 1.6GHz parts and mark them as 1.3GHz parts.&quot; Does that make any sense at all?

 

[Dark4ng3l]

I beleve the main reason they dont release higher end parts is because they make way too much heat for standard hsf that oem's and normal users put in their computers. Im sure they have good enough yields to put out 1.4 GHz parts, even it it requires a slightly higher voltage seting(like Intel tried with the 1.13GHz) but that cpu would make too much heat for standard hsf's.

 

[dethman]

go AMD! kick intel's ass...

in addition to the lack of notebook parts, i think the lack of an established chipset for it's value duron for it's competition vs. the celeron/810 combo is also hurting...ouch. celeron totally sucks but it still outsells...

one of the probable reasons for the stall on speeds is the heat issue...i dont think current air cooling technology would be adequate for a 1.6GHz t-bird, at the wattage it outputs...

whoops that last bit was just posted, wasn't it...