Poor Yellow Pony (*Car) :-(

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: DougK62

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Phoenix86
The solution is simple, and has been suggested for several decades. Federaly mandated bumper hieghts. If the jacked up F350's' bumpers matched the Mustang's this woulnd't be so bad.

Banning higher profile vehicles is not the solution any more than banning lower profile vehicles.

Show me one single raised truck where the owner modified the bumper height so that it remains at the same level as it was when the vehicle was stock. I've NEVER seen one.

Uh...that's exactly his point.

My point is that it is unlikely that this will be done. People don't do it now because raised trucks "look cool" and a lower bumper would look stupid.

We need something more drastic IMO.

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: DougK62

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Phoenix86
The solution is simple, and has been suggested for several decades. Federaly mandated bumper hieghts. If the jacked up F350's' bumpers matched the Mustang's this woulnd't be so bad.

Banning higher profile vehicles is not the solution any more than banning lower profile vehicles.

Show me one single raised truck where the owner modified the bumper height so that it remains at the same level as it was when the vehicle was stock. I've NEVER seen one.

Uh...that's exactly his point.

My point is that it is unlikely that this will be done. People don't do it now because raised trucks "look cool" and a lower bumper would look stupid.

We need something more drastic IMO.

how about people who dump their cars to the ground? do we make them put a bumper on their hood? it's only fair right? if you really think the height of that truck caused the damage you are ignorant and just being simple minded. if that same truck was at the same level as that car and hit it going 50 mph the whole car would be collapsed, not just the top half.

edit: having a lower bumper would totally negate the whole point of having a lift... ground clearance. granted most people never seen a dirt road much less a real obstacle, those who do would simply get caught up on a bumper 2' off the ground. i realize you wannabe socialists want everyone driving cars just like you choose, but guess what, this is america and if i want to drive a lifted truck that's my business, stay the hell out of it.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: fisher
i've seen a minivan do that much damage to a car before, it's more the speed than the fact it was lifted. altho in that case the whole back of the car was smashed in (no more trunk or back seats) not just the top half.

stop being ignorant.

oh, btw, go by your ford/chevy/dodge dealership, you can get a pickup truck with a ride height like that off the lot these days. i was surprised how high they are stock even without the offroad packages.

You are wrong, the wheels are still behind the back seat and the floor of the trunk is still behind the rear wheels. Those areas would have absorbed some of the impact if the truck's bumper had hit the Mustang's bumper. The truck's bumper hit around the trunk lid and sheared off most of the body above the crumple zone.

Look at the pictures again. :roll:

 

[CRXican]

Originally posted by: Fingers

Originally posted by: Skoorb

And civics should be regulated when they hit somebody on 2 wheels. Everybody has the option of buying a bigger vehical, it's your own fault if you don't and then get hit.

Ah yes, a lifted truck is a great family car, and very affordable for most people! So your excuse is everybody can have one if they want? Then what will make yours so special? You'll have to lift it another 6 inches so that it sticks up further, then before you know it we're all teetering around on 12 foot high vehicles.

Mine isn't lifted to make it special at all. It was so the larger tires wouldn't rub when turning since I'm offroad a lot where I hunt.

Case and point though, if you don't feel safe in a little car driving around then do something about it. Nobody made you purchase such a small car.

You're a tool. We should be able to drive cars and feel safe doing so. Since when is the Mustang small compared to any other car? Nobody made you purchace a big ass truck you likely don't need. I'd bet over half the people driving lifted trucks didn't need a truck in the first place, much less a lifted one. They never go off road.

 

[StageLeft]

Case and point though, if you don't feel safe in a little car driving around then do something about it. Nobody made you purchase such a small car.

This isn't about small cars. Any car of normal height suffers severely when hit by a lifted vehicle.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: fisher

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: DougK62

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Phoenix86
The solution is simple, and has been suggested for several decades. Federaly mandated bumper hieghts. If the jacked up F350's' bumpers matched the Mustang's this woulnd't be so bad.

Banning higher profile vehicles is not the solution any more than banning lower profile vehicles.

Show me one single raised truck where the owner modified the bumper height so that it remains at the same level as it was when the vehicle was stock. I've NEVER seen one.

Uh...that's exactly his point.

My point is that it is unlikely that this will be done. People don't do it now because raised trucks "look cool" and a lower bumper would look stupid.

We need something more drastic IMO.

how about people who dump their cars to the ground? do we make them put a bumper on their hood? it's only fair right? if you really think the height of that truck caused the damage you are ignorant and just being simple minded. if that same truck was at the same level as that car and hit it going 50 mph the whole car would be collapsed, not just the top half.

No, because they are only endangering themselves and anyone stupid enough to ride with them not other (innocent) people.

It is obvious that the height of the truck caused the damage. Personal attacks against me aren't going to change that fact.

 

[CRXican]

Originally posted by: fisher

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: DougK62

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Phoenix86
The solution is simple, and has been suggested for several decades. Federaly mandated bumper hieghts. If the jacked up F350's' bumpers matched the Mustang's this woulnd't be so bad.

Banning higher profile vehicles is not the solution any more than banning lower profile vehicles.

Show me one single raised truck where the owner modified the bumper height so that it remains at the same level as it was when the vehicle was stock. I've NEVER seen one.

Uh...that's exactly his point.

My point is that it is unlikely that this will be done. People don't do it now because raised trucks "look cool" and a lower bumper would look stupid.

We need something more drastic IMO.

how about people who dump their cars to the ground? do we make them put a bumper on their hood? it's only fair right? if you really think the height of that truck caused the damage you are ignorant and just being simple minded. if that same truck was at the same level as that car and hit it going 50 mph the whole car would be collapsed, not just the top half.

edit: having a lower bumper would totally negate the whole point of having a lift... ground clearance. granted most people never seen a dirt road much less a real obstacle, those who do would simply get caught up on a bumper 2' off the ground. i realize you wannabe socialists want everyone driving cars just like you choose, but guess what, this is america and if i want to drive a lifted truck that's my business, stay the hell out of it.

Wrong again, it's not the same. My car is lowered and when I rearended a VW Passat, I pretty much went under his bumper so the only harm I'm going to cause is to myself and my vehicle, unless by some freak accident where I could drive under someone else, not likely.

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: fisher
i've seen a minivan do that much damage to a car before, it's more the speed than the fact it was lifted. altho in that case the whole back of the car was smashed in (no more trunk or back seats) not just the top half.

stop being ignorant.

oh, btw, go by your ford/chevy/dodge dealership, you can get a pickup truck with a ride height like that off the lot these days. i was surprised how high they are stock even without the offroad packages.

You are wrong, the wheels are still behind the back seat and the floor of the trunk is still behind the rear wheels. Those areas would have absorbed some of the impact if the truck's bumper had hit the Mustang's bumper. The truck's bumper hit around the trunk lid and sheared off most of the body above the crumple zone.

Look at the pictures again. :roll:

let me say it again. i witnessed with my own eyes a minivan take out a car going a little bit slower (hydroplaning, the cops said about 45mph on impact) than that truck. a minivan is smaller. it wasn't lifted. it was however going fast. the bumper trunk and back seats of the car were compacted into a 2-3' space behind the front seats. the wheels and the floor of the trunk did NOTHING to "absorb the impact" of ANYTHING. i can see the pictures, if anything the fact that it WAS lifted wasn't such a bad thing because there wasn't as much debris pushed up into the front of the car.

 

[CraigRT]

Originally posted by: MasterAndCommander

Originally posted by: Armitage
Wow - that's rough!
Where did it say the truck was "lifted" though? I'm thinking a stock F350 could be high enough to have done that.

Pic of truck in question. Is this the normal height of a F350? I mostly see F150's and 250's around here.

definitely lifted.

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: CRXican

Originally posted by: Fingers

Originally posted by: Skoorb

And civics should be regulated when they hit somebody on 2 wheels. Everybody has the option of buying a bigger vehical, it's your own fault if you don't and then get hit.

Ah yes, a lifted truck is a great family car, and very affordable for most people! So your excuse is everybody can have one if they want? Then what will make yours so special? You'll have to lift it another 6 inches so that it sticks up further, then before you know it we're all teetering around on 12 foot high vehicles.

Mine isn't lifted to make it special at all. It was so the larger tires wouldn't rub when turning since I'm offroad a lot where I hunt.

Case and point though, if you don't feel safe in a little car driving around then do something about it. Nobody made you purchase such a small car.

You're a tool. We should be able to drive cars and feel safe doing so. Since when is the Mustang small compared to any other car? Nobody made you purchace a big ass truck you likely don't need. I'd bet over half the people driving lifted trucks didn't need a truck in the first place, much less a lifted one. They never go off road.

who the hell are you to say what he or anyone else needs? this isn't mother russia and you aren't the f'n lifestyle police.

 

[Fingers]

Originally posted by: CRXican

Originally posted by: Fingers

Originally posted by: Skoorb

And civics should be regulated when they hit somebody on 2 wheels. Everybody has the option of buying a bigger vehical, it's your own fault if you don't and then get hit.

Ah yes, a lifted truck is a great family car, and very affordable for most people! So your excuse is everybody can have one if they want? Then what will make yours so special? You'll have to lift it another 6 inches so that it sticks up further, then before you know it we're all teetering around on 12 foot high vehicles.

Mine isn't lifted to make it special at all. It was so the larger tires wouldn't rub when turning since I'm offroad a lot where I hunt.

Case and point though, if you don't feel safe in a little car driving around then do something about it. Nobody made you purchase such a small car.

You're a tool. We should be able to drive cars and feel safe doing so. Since when is the Mustang small compared to any other car? Nobody made you purchace a big ass truck you likely don't need. Asshat.

And how is it exactly I don't need the carrying capacity of this truck? You must know me very well to make such points.

I never said the mustang was a tiny car. Was just responding to all the poeple who drive tiny cars and since they don't feel secure around larger vehicles feel that they should be regulated.

If for some reason I don't need it (which I do) whats the big deal? You don't see truck owners petitioning to get small cars off the road, because some are hard to see, especially the lowered ones in your blindspot.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: fisher

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: fisher
i've seen a minivan do that much damage to a car before, it's more the speed than the fact it was lifted. altho in that case the whole back of the car was smashed in (no more trunk or back seats) not just the top half.

stop being ignorant.

oh, btw, go by your ford/chevy/dodge dealership, you can get a pickup truck with a ride height like that off the lot these days. i was surprised how high they are stock even without the offroad packages.

You are wrong, the wheels are still behind the back seat and the floor of the trunk is still behind the rear wheels. Those areas would have absorbed some of the impact if the truck's bumper had hit the Mustang's bumper. The truck's bumper hit around the trunk lid and sheared off most of the body above the crumple zone.

Look at the pictures again. :roll:

let me say it again. i witnessed with my own eyes a minivan take out a car going a little bit slower (hydroplaning, the cops said about 45mph on impact) than that truck. a minivan is smaller. it wasn't lifted. it was however going fast. the bumper trunk and back seats of the car were compacted into a 2-3' space behind the front seats. the wheels and the floor of the trunk did NOTHING to "absorb the impact" of ANYTHING. i can see the pictures, if anything the fact that it WAS lifted wasn't such a bad thing because there wasn't as much debris pushed up into the front of the car.

Riiight...tell that crock if sh!t to the anyone of us who could have been sitting in the back seat of that Mustang. :roll:

Cars and trucks are designed to crumple when impacted to protect the passengers in the passenger compartment. The truck absorbed almost none of the impact and the car absorbed it all and in an area not designed to take that sort of impact. This accident clearly shows that a raised truck impacting a normal car is a dangerous situation. You must be blind not to see that.

 

[CRXican]

You still left out the reason you need a truck. I made those comments to hear your reason for having one. By not responding with the reason you need a truck I'm likely to believe I was correct and that you don't need one.

 

[Fingers]

Originally posted by: CRXican

Originally posted by: fisher

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: DougK62

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Phoenix86
The solution is simple, and has been suggested for several decades. Federaly mandated bumper hieghts. If the jacked up F350's' bumpers matched the Mustang's this woulnd't be so bad.

Banning higher profile vehicles is not the solution any more than banning lower profile vehicles.

Show me one single raised truck where the owner modified the bumper height so that it remains at the same level as it was when the vehicle was stock. I've NEVER seen one.

Uh...that's exactly his point.

My point is that it is unlikely that this will be done. People don't do it now because raised trucks "look cool" and a lower bumper would look stupid.

We need something more drastic IMO.

how about people who dump their cars to the ground? do we make them put a bumper on their hood? it's only fair right? if you really think the height of that truck caused the damage you are ignorant and just being simple minded. if that same truck was at the same level as that car and hit it going 50 mph the whole car would be collapsed, not just the top half.

edit: having a lower bumper would totally negate the whole point of having a lift... ground clearance. granted most people never seen a dirt road much less a real obstacle, those who do would simply get caught up on a bumper 2' off the ground. i realize you wannabe socialists want everyone driving cars just like you choose, but guess what, this is america and if i want to drive a lifted truck that's my business, stay the hell out of it.

Wrong again, it's not the same. My car is lowered and when I rearended a VW Passat, I pretty much went under his bumper so the only harm I'm going to cause is to myself and my vehicle, unless by some freak accident where I could drive under someone else, not likely.

and how is it you need your car lowered?

You're a tool. We should be able to drive cars and feel safe doing so. Since when is the Mustang small compared to any other car? Nobody made you purchace a big ass truck you likely don't need. I'd bet over half the people driving lifted trucks didn't need a truck in the first place, much less a lifted one. They never go off road.

and yes you are harming me by making my insurnace higher when people driving little ass sh!t pull out in front of me and stop and I kill their asses, it makes my insurnace a lot higher than it needs to be.

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: CRXican
You still left out the reason you need a truck. I made those comments to hear your reason for having one. By not responding with the reason you need a truck I'm likely to believe I was correct and that you don't need one.

i drive a jeep cherokee with a 2" budget lift and 30" tires, if you're referring to me. i have 2 kids and don't feel like driving a full sized car just so i can squeeze in a double stroller and my gear bag (paintball) that stays in my jeep. as it is i think i'll be trading it in on a minivan this year because i'm almost out of room again.

i just hate to see people hating on trucks because of stupid reasons. people like JulesMaximus blindly start spouting BS without having a clue about damn near anything.

 

[Fingers]

Originally posted by: CRXican
You still left out the reason you need a truck. I made those comments to hear your reason for having one. By not responding with the reason you need a truck I'm likely to believe I was correct and that you don't need one.

If you must know, I'm a commercial fisherman, have my own boat and typically haul up to 4000 lbs of fish and ice, sometimes lots of lead/ sash weights in the back. I also go hunting regularly and could use the larger tires to keep me from bugging the local farmers to borrow their tractor when I get stuck. The small lift I have is to keep the tires from rubbing. Lifts for any other reason though are useless and only for looks.

 

[StageLeft]

let me say it again. i witnessed with my own eyes a minivan take out a car going a little bit slower (hydroplaning, the cops said about 45mph on impact) than that truck. a minivan is smaller. it wasn't lifted. it was however going fast. the bumper trunk and back seats of the car were compacted into a 2-3' space behind the front seats. the wheels and the floor of the trunk did NOTHING to "absorb the impact" of ANYTHING. i can see the pictures, if anything the fact that it WAS lifted wasn't such a bad thing because there wasn't as much debris pushed up into the front of the car.

Nobody can refute what you say you saw, but that was on case. This is also one case, but it's an indisputable fact of nature that a lifted truck is more likely to smash through the vehicle's cabin than through its bumper. I've elsewhere read about what a hazard they are in multi-vehicle accidents.

and the car absorbed it all and in an area not designed to take that sort of impact

WINNAR

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: fisher

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: fisher
i've seen a minivan do that much damage to a car before, it's more the speed than the fact it was lifted. altho in that case the whole back of the car was smashed in (no more trunk or back seats) not just the top half.

stop being ignorant.

oh, btw, go by your ford/chevy/dodge dealership, you can get a pickup truck with a ride height like that off the lot these days. i was surprised how high they are stock even without the offroad packages.

You are wrong, the wheels are still behind the back seat and the floor of the trunk is still behind the rear wheels. Those areas would have absorbed some of the impact if the truck's bumper had hit the Mustang's bumper. The truck's bumper hit around the trunk lid and sheared off most of the body above the crumple zone.

Look at the pictures again. :roll:

let me say it again. i witnessed with my own eyes a minivan take out a car going a little bit slower (hydroplaning, the cops said about 45mph on impact) than that truck. a minivan is smaller. it wasn't lifted. it was however going fast. the bumper trunk and back seats of the car were compacted into a 2-3' space behind the front seats. the wheels and the floor of the trunk did NOTHING to "absorb the impact" of ANYTHING. i can see the pictures, if anything the fact that it WAS lifted wasn't such a bad thing because there wasn't as much debris pushed up into the front of the car.

Riiight...tell that crock if sh!t to the anyone of us who could have been sitting in the back seat of that Mustang. :roll:

Cars and trucks are designed to crumple when impacted to protect the passengers in the passenger compartment. The truck absorbed almost none of the impact and the car absorbed it all and in an area not designed to take that sort of impact. This accident clearly shows that a raised truck impacting a normal car is a dangerous situation. You must be blind not to see that.

i'm starting to think you are quite possibly so blind in your hatred for trucks that you aren't even reading, you are just spouting nonsense.

did you even read what i posted? minivan. smaller vehicle. car about the same size as a mustang (4 door, more support?). as much damage, but to the whole back end, not just the top half. either way the back seat passenger would be gone. i'm not blind, and i'm not in a truck hating rage as you are. it's not the lift, it's the fact that a large mass impacted another mass (and smaller mass, you can say the truck has too much mass if you want i guess) at a high rate of speed. it's going to cause carnage no matter what "crumple zones" you have.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: fisher

Originally posted by: CRXican
You still left out the reason you need a truck. I made those comments to hear your reason for having one. By not responding with the reason you need a truck I'm likely to believe I was correct and that you don't need one.

i drive a jeep cherokee with a 2" budget lift and 30" tires, if you're referring to me. i have 2 kids and don't feel like driving a full sized car just so i can squeeze in a double stroller and my gear bag (paintball) that stays in my jeep. as it is i think i'll be trading it in on a minivan this year because i'm almost out of room again.

i just hate to see people hating on trucks because of stupid reasons. people like JulesMaximus blindly start spouting BS without having a clue about damn near anything.

You have no valid argument for raising a truck other than to use it off-road. My argument is for the safety of the rest of us driving normal cars. If you want a lifted truck, fine. But use it only off-road and stop endangering the rest of us. This is not BS and I have heard no valid arguments in your favor to make me side with you.

The only clueless one here is you.

 

[Fingers]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: fisher

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: fisher
i've seen a minivan do that much damage to a car before, it's more the speed than the fact it was lifted. altho in that case the whole back of the car was smashed in (no more trunk or back seats) not just the top half.

stop being ignorant.

oh, btw, go by your ford/chevy/dodge dealership, you can get a pickup truck with a ride height like that off the lot these days. i was surprised how high they are stock even without the offroad packages.

You are wrong, the wheels are still behind the back seat and the floor of the trunk is still behind the rear wheels. Those areas would have absorbed some of the impact if the truck's bumper had hit the Mustang's bumper. The truck's bumper hit around the trunk lid and sheared off most of the body above the crumple zone.

Look at the pictures again. :roll:

let me say it again. i witnessed with my own eyes a minivan take out a car going a little bit slower (hydroplaning, the cops said about 45mph on impact) than that truck. a minivan is smaller. it wasn't lifted. it was however going fast. the bumper trunk and back seats of the car were compacted into a 2-3' space behind the front seats. the wheels and the floor of the trunk did NOTHING to "absorb the impact" of ANYTHING. i can see the pictures, if anything the fact that it WAS lifted wasn't such a bad thing because there wasn't as much debris pushed up into the front of the car.

Riiight...tell that crock if sh!t to the anyone of us who could have been sitting in the back seat of that Mustang. :roll:

Cars and trucks are designed to crumple when impacted to protect the passengers in the passenger compartment. The truck absorbed almost none of the impact and the car absorbed it all and in an area not designed to take that sort of impact. This accident clearly shows that a raised truck impacting a normal car is a dangerous situation. You must be blind not to see that.

Larger trucks are not designed to crumple at all though. No plastic there, all steel.

 

[Heisenberg]

Originally posted by: CRXican
You still left out the reason you need a truck. I made those comments to hear your reason for having one. By not responding with the reason you need a truck I'm likely to believe I was correct and that you don't need one.

Maybe my reason is I just want one. What reason do you have for driving your vehicle? A lot of the "opposition" to raised vehicles here has nothing to do with safety or other legitamite concerns, but rather the fact that people here look down upon the type of people that drive them.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: fisher

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: fisher

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: fisher
i've seen a minivan do that much damage to a car before, it's more the speed than the fact it was lifted. altho in that case the whole back of the car was smashed in (no more trunk or back seats) not just the top half.

stop being ignorant.

oh, btw, go by your ford/chevy/dodge dealership, you can get a pickup truck with a ride height like that off the lot these days. i was surprised how high they are stock even without the offroad packages.

You are wrong, the wheels are still behind the back seat and the floor of the trunk is still behind the rear wheels. Those areas would have absorbed some of the impact if the truck's bumper had hit the Mustang's bumper. The truck's bumper hit around the trunk lid and sheared off most of the body above the crumple zone.

Look at the pictures again. :roll:

let me say it again. i witnessed with my own eyes a minivan take out a car going a little bit slower (hydroplaning, the cops said about 45mph on impact) than that truck. a minivan is smaller. it wasn't lifted. it was however going fast. the bumper trunk and back seats of the car were compacted into a 2-3' space behind the front seats. the wheels and the floor of the trunk did NOTHING to "absorb the impact" of ANYTHING. i can see the pictures, if anything the fact that it WAS lifted wasn't such a bad thing because there wasn't as much debris pushed up into the front of the car.

Riiight...tell that crock if sh!t to the anyone of us who could have been sitting in the back seat of that Mustang. :roll:

Cars and trucks are designed to crumple when impacted to protect the passengers in the passenger compartment. The truck absorbed almost none of the impact and the car absorbed it all and in an area not designed to take that sort of impact. This accident clearly shows that a raised truck impacting a normal car is a dangerous situation. You must be blind not to see that.

i'm starting to think you are quite possibly so blind in your hatred for trucks that you aren't even reading, you are just spouting nonsense.

did you even read what i posted? minivan. smaller vehicle. car about the same size as a mustang (4 door, more support?). as much damage, but to the whole back end, not just the top half. either way the back seat passenger would be gone. i'm not blind, and i'm not in a truck hating rage as you are. it's not the lift, it's the fact that a large mass impacted another mass (and smaller mass, you can say the truck has too much mass if you want i guess) at a high rate of speed. it's going to cause carnage no matter what "crumple zones" you have.

Because of the many variables in an accident I don't think you can compare your "accident" to this one. Apples to oranges. It is plain to see what I referred to in my post and I am not in a "truck hating rage" as you put it. You started with the personal attacks.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Fingers
Larger trucks are not designed to crumple at all though. No plastic there, all steel.

Yes they are. Ever see the crash tests done on fullsize pickup trucks? They crumple just like a car does. Maybe not as much but they do crumple and absorb energy.

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

and the car absorbed it all and in an area not designed to take that sort of impact

WINNAR

uhhhh. no. once again. a large mass. high rate of speed. smaller mass not moving. impact. bang.

car hit by a shuttle van. not a lifted truck. notice the rear end carnage.

anyway. i'm not speaking spanish or french here. a big mass collides with a non-moving smaller mass at a high rate of speed and destruction will occur. i understand crumple zones (probably more than you being in a really bad accident where a crumple zone saved my ass) but there's only so much they can do. and a crumple zone does just that, crumple. with that much force hitting that car it would have most likely crumpled the truck and back seat up against the front seats. i'm not sure what you people are expecting, maybe that the back end of the mustang would be pushed in a few feet?

 

[CRXican]

Originally posted by: Heisenberg

Originally posted by: CRXican
You still left out the reason you need a truck. I made those comments to hear your reason for having one. By not responding with the reason you need a truck I'm likely to believe I was correct and that you don't need one.

Maybe my reason is I just want one. What reason do you have for driving your vehicle? A lot of the "opposition" to raised vehicles here has nothing to do with safety or other legitamite concerns, but rather the fact that people here look down upon the type of people that drive them.

My reason for driving my vehicle is that my dad got it for me for $1,700 and I don't yet have the money to buy a new car.

Not sure what type of truck driver you're referring to but where I am, it's stupid teenage guys and girls that have no need for a truck, they just think it's cool.