Pope approves of same sex civil unions

[zinfamous]

They can't be. If they are CATHOLICS and claim to follow the church and Jesus, then they have to accept that the Pope is the infallible mouth piece of God on Earth. Chosen by a sacred process. If you go against the Pope, you are going against God themselves.... right?

not really. This is why we've had anti-popes and second popes, multiple times throughout history.

Or, you just create your own church, like that fat English king did.

 

[ch33zw1z]

How gracious, lol. Same sex marriage or bust.

 

[Ajay]

Homosexual people have the right to be in a family. They are children of God

Wow, this is going to blow up the church now that Francis', mostly private, thoughts on the matter are public. There are so many other elements of what it means to be human, the root nature of human dignity, sexuality and ultimately what in fact family is. One could fairly say - this is a big fucking deal. This gets walked back in the next month, or we may have a schism. This isn't just about homosexual civil unions.

 

[nickqt]

Catholic Church attempts to stay relevant in a world it hasn't been relevant in for close to 700 years.

Too late.

 

[Ajay]

Catholic Church attempts to stay relevant in a world it hasn't been relevant in for close to 700 years.

Too late.

Seriously? 700 years? Did your school system not have history classes?

 

[nickqt]

Seriously? 700 years? Did your school system not have history classes?

You think the Catholic Church has been relevant to anything for the past 700 years?

Please, list which things the Catholic Church has done in the past 700 years to help the human condition.

If you're confused and think I was saying the Catholic Church is only 700 years old, then that's on you.

 

[alexruiz]

Catholic Church attempts to stay relevant in a world it hasn't been relevant in for close to 700 years.

Too late.

I wouldn't say so. They have stayed relevant, unfortunately not for good.
The catholic church had a huge influence in the colonization of this continent, and that is more recent than 700 years ago
Here in the USA, I would kind of agree that the catholic church has pretty much always played second fiddle to the protestant denominations, so yeah, less relevant. Unfortunately, the catholic church has followed the protestants in the craziness.

The USA is probably the closest to a religious fundamentalist theocracy of any country that is not a muslim nation.
Over 40% of people here believe that indeed God created them, as opposed to evolution. Not even developing countries have that number.
Also, no other country is as obsessed with "protecting the unborn", something that Pope Francis himself acknowledged as puzzling, describing the obsession by the USA church with abortion as irrational.
There are so many ways to care for others, but "pro-birth" is the easy way for those who are lazy to put the effort to truly help those in need.
Just be loud abut it, tell them you you will protect the unborn and their guns, you can even become president

Edit: Forgot to add. I am personally a fan of Pope Francis. I think he is someone who recognizes times are changing, and by keeping the church up with the times, he can keep it relevant, or at least try.

 

[kage69]

Man, first climate change, now gay rights.

Tell us how he's wrong Rick Santorum, how Americans shouldn't put too much weight on the opinions of religious leaders.

 

[Ajay]

Catholic Church attempts to stay relevant in a world it hasn't been relevant in for close to 700 years.

Too late.

Seriously? 700 years? Did your school system not have history classes

You think the Catholic Church has been relevant to anything for the past 700 years?

Please, list which things the Catholic Church has done in the past 700 years to help the human condition.

If you're confused and think I was saying the Catholic Church is only 700 years old, then that's on you.

There is no way I can even list the number of people helped by Catholic based services (food, caring for the sick, providing shelter, etc.) to the poor - mostly carried out by a myriad of religious orders over the centuries. Of course, you see no good in providing for the spiritual well being of people, but I do - in which case that service has been beyond compare.

Has the church been corrupt, have priests and bishops abused their authority, etc. - of course. They are human beings. All institutions, even today - are plagued by the same problems, greed, lust, thirst for power and what not. I don't have any illusions about the Catholic church, nor am I blind to what they have offered mankind over the past two millennia. Many Americans are obsessed with how the Church treats gay couples and could care less how many of the poor she has feed this week. That's a pretty narrow perspective, IMO.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Oh thank God a religious puppet head approved of what people do. Praise him!

 

[SMOGZINN]

You think the Catholic Church has been relevant to anything for the past 700 years?

This all turns on the world relevant. The Catholic Church all but ran multiple nations not less than 200 years ago. It was corrupt and while it might not have been intentionally helpful to the people, it did act as a stabilizing force in Europe where for much of the last millennia nations needed the Church's permission to wage war on another Catholic nation or face the possibility of the Church organizing multiple other Catholic nations against them. While you might not think it helped mankind, it is hard to deny that for something like the last 1000 years it was the most powerful organization in the history of mankind.

 

[UNCjigga]

Pope pretty much calls the Trump Administration pure evil:

Pope Francis calls Trump’s family separation border policy ‘cruelty of the highest form’

In a new documentary that premiered in Rome today, Pope Francis says separating migrant children from their parents is “something a Christian cannot do. It’s cruelty of the highest form.”

www.americamagazine.org

Remember when Democrats were being accused of anti-Catholic bias? Let's see how the Trumptards respond...

 

[hal2kilo]

not really. This is why we've had anti-popes and second popes, multiple times throughout history.

Or, you just create your own church, like that fat English king did.

I think there was even a married Pope, some at least had mistresses.

 

[WelshBloke]

I absolutely don't understand how the "you can call it a civil partnership but not a marriage" thing works.

If we are saying that a civil partnership is the legal bit and that marriage is a religious thing then by saying gay people can only have the former isn't the government getting involved in what you can do in your religion?
What about religions that are ok with gay marriage? How can the government say they can't do that if they have made civil partnerships legal and left marriage as a religious thing.

 

[Fenixgoon]

I absolutely don't understand how the "you can call it a civil partnership but not a marriage" thing works.

If we are saying that a civil partnership is the legal bit and that marriage is a religious thing then by saying gay people can only have the former isn't the government getting involved in what you can do in your religion?
What about religions that are ok with gay marriage? How can the government say they can't do that if they have made civil partnerships legal and left marriage as a religious thing.

In catholicism, marriage is a sacrament. So for the purposes of the faith, there's a distinction between a marriage within the church and one outside (e.g. one that is purely legal, thus the "civil union").

For everyone else? Tomato tomahto

 

[Ajay]

Eh, turns out that it's just Francis talking off script - again. Confusing the laity and media outlets seems to be his favorite pass time.
Anyway, he has no authority since this is a 'civil' union and is the domain of states, not the church.

 

[ralfy]

What did Pope Francis say about civil unions? A CNA Explainer - The Catholic Voice

Denver Newsroom, Oct 21, 2020 / 06:49 pm (CNA).- “Francesco,” a newly released documentary on the life and ministry of Pope Francis, has made global headlines, because the film… Read More

catholicvoiceomaha.com

 

[pmv]

Just another data point for the "The infallible voice of God on Earth elected by His ritual as He works through His Cardinals doesn't actually represent the Church" argument.

So is the question 'is the Pope a Catholic?'

In other news...bear endorses indoor sanitation.

 

[ralfy]

Pope Francis’ homosexuality comments heavily edited in documentary, no Vatican comment on civil unions

www.catholicworldreport.com

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[JEDIYoda]

Wow, this is going to blow up the church now that Francis', mostly private, thoughts on the matter are public. There are so many other elements of what it means to be human, the root nature of human dignity, sexuality and ultimately what in fact family is. One could fairly say - this is a big fucking deal. This gets walked back in the next month, or we may have a schism. This isn't just about homosexual civil unions.

I disagree!! we will see...

 

[JEDIYoda]

Eh, turns out that it's just Francis talking off script - again. Confusing the laity and media outlets seems to be his favorite pass time.
Anyway, he has no authority since this is a 'civil' union and is the domain of states, not the church.

hahahahaaaaaaaaaa

 

[Muse]

TBH, what I want him to do is say abortion is AOK. Woman's choice.

 

[JEDIYoda]

TBH, what I want him to do is say abortion is AOK. Woman's choice.

I agre......I also am pro woman`s choice

 

[Puffnstuff]

HIs edict has no impact on church sponsored child molestation so why should he care?

 

[JEDIYoda]

HIs edict has no impact on church sponsored child molestation so why should he care?

now that is funny@@!!! Church sponsored....says who?