Porsche Boxster

[mrCide]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Dark4ng3l
Dont forget than part of having a car if the "flashyness", a porsche is much better at than than any american car will ever be. Also the porsche will be more reliable and will have a superior resale value because of the name. Also driving in a porsche brings you respect, not driving a vette.

Uh, as a Porsche owner I can state with certainty that the people who only respect me because I drive a Porsche are the people I desire to bludgeon to death with my tyre iron. Let's be rational here, only a child would base his opinion of a person on the brand of car they drive.

ZV

unfortunately its true.. i had a boxster for a couple days to play with and i was goin to the gf's place.. security guard was always short and didnt care when i drove in.. day i drove in with a boxster, he gave me a lot of attention, commented about the car, was friendly and pointed me in the right direction.. blew my mind because it was the first time i experienced something like that..

however you shouldn't base your opinion on what other people think..

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: Dark4ng3l
Dont forget than part of having a car if the "flashyness", a porsche is much better at than than any american car will ever be. Also the porsche will be more reliable and will have a superior resale value because of the name. Also driving in a porsche brings you respect, not driving a vette.

I don't necessarily agree with this, it all depends on the circles with which you assocaite, and really do you want your car to be the deciding factor on how much respect you get??

all of the auto enthusiasts I know like anything that is "nice" (well unless it is Japanese and even then there are exceptions).

I would respect a vette just as much if not more than a Porsche but I would also realise that they are two very different genres of cars...one is an American classic that has alot of power while the other is a german sports car..like someone previously said two cars that appeal to two very different markets but are both very respected for what they are...

The only beef I have with the vette is chevy service...if the vette had better service or you went to a good honest stealership then it would be fine, but every domestic stealership I have been to sux

 

[Marshallj]

Originally posted by: bozack
..mid engine cars just have a surer (?) feel to them, with the high torque rwd I would worry more about hitting it comming out of a corner and having the rear end break free.

You surely have no idea what you're talking about. Having a front-biased weight distribution will generally give the car understeer, which is that "sure" feeling that you're talking about. Most rear engine cars are more neutral or rear biased, and can be outright tricky to drive.

Why don't you ask an older Porsche 911 driver how easy it is to drive a rear engined car with oversteer at its limit?

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: mrCide

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Dark4ng3l
Dont forget than part of having a car if the "flashyness", a porsche is much better at than than any american car will ever be. Also the porsche will be more reliable and will have a superior resale value because of the name. Also driving in a porsche brings you respect, not driving a vette.

Uh, as a Porsche owner I can state with certainty that the people who only respect me because I drive a Porsche are the people I desire to bludgeon to death with my tyre iron. Let's be rational here, only a child would base his opinion of a person on the brand of car they drive.

ZV

unfortunately its true.. i had a boxster for a couple days to play with and i was goin to the gf's place.. security guard was always short and didnt care when i drove in.. day i drove in with a boxster, he gave me a lot of attention, commented about the car, was friendly and pointed me in the right direction.. blew my mind because it was the first time i experienced something like that..

however you shouldn't base your opinion on what other people think..

Oh, I know it's true, it's just bloody annoying. There is very little that bothers me more than the insincere sucking up of someone who only likes your car. That's one of the things I really like about my 914, it tends to fly under most people's radar. They don't know what it is.

ZV

 

[Dark4ng3l]

Hey I was not saying that you should or that i respect people who have better cars than I/you have. I'm just trying to tell this guy why the name of the car is worth something, because he said it was not.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: Marshallj

Originally posted by: bozack
..mid engine cars just have a surer (?) feel to them, with the high torque rwd I would worry more about hitting it comming out of a corner and having the rear end break free.

You surely have no idea what you're talking about. Having a front-biased weight distribution will generally give the car understeer, which is that "sure" feeling that you're talking about. Most rear engine cars are more neutral or rear biased, and can be outright tricky to drive.

Why don't you ask an older Porsche 911 driver how easy it is to drive a rear engined car with oversteer at its limit?

I only used to race Saleen mustangs for a while so yeah I guess I have no idea how a rear wheel drive high torque car handles around corners at high speeds...granted I was driving straight axle rwds but the concept is still the same, I would slam on the gas going around the corner and the torque would be so great the rear wheels would break free sending me into a slide....I am sure the Z06 has the same capability since it has more HP than the cars I was racing (short of my friends 800 hp Saleen). With a stock Boxster I do not see this as being an issue since the weight distribution is about 50/50 and there is far less torque, rwds have a light a$$ which makes it much easier for the butt to lift up and slide over.

My recent car for comparison is pretty much N/A as it is a FWD Tour SVT...so the only issue I have with that is torque steer and massive understeer which sucks ass...high speed and broad corners are ok...tight corners are awful in the car, it can do them but not with much grace.

 

[Marshallj]

Originally posted by: Dark4ng3l
Hey I was not saying that you should or that i respect people who have better cars than I/you have. I'm just trying to tell this guy why the name of the car is worth something, because he said it was not.

I was telling you to avoid focusing on the name, and you spelled out exactly the reasons why.

When you put too much emphasis on the name, I thought you were shallow and superficial. And after you said that part of owning a car is to be "flashy" draw attention, and getting respect based on the brand of vehicle you drive, I *knew* you were shallow and superficial.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: Marshallj

Originally posted by: bozack
..mid engine cars just have a surer (?) feel to them, with the high torque rwd I would worry more about hitting it comming out of a corner and having the rear end break free.

You surely have no idea what you're talking about. Having a front-biased weight distribution will generally give the car understeer, which is that "sure" feeling that you're talking about. Most rear engine cars are more neutral or rear biased, and can be outright tricky to drive.

Why don't you ask an older Porsche 911 driver how easy it is to drive a rear engined car with oversteer at its limit?

Actually, most race drivers and other skilled drivers prefer slight oversteer.

Mid-engined cars have low polar inertia and they tend to be easier to toss around since they are more willing to pivot about the car's centerpoint. A car with a front engine and rear transaxle (50/50 weight distribution) will have higher polar inertia and will thus be less "tossable" even though overall grip might be the same. The disadvantage to a mid-engine is that with low polar inertia, it is easier to get one end out of whack if the driver is not experienced. Of course, this can be engineered out with suspension design and other things, but it's a good general rule. A front engine, rear transaxle car will have more polar inertia which will make it less likely to "snap oversteer".

ZV

 

[mrCide]

Originally posted by: Marshallj

Originally posted by: bozack
..mid engine cars just have a surer (?) feel to them, with the high torque rwd I would worry more about hitting it comming out of a corner and having the rear end break free.

You surely have no idea what you're talking about. Having a front-biased weight distribution will generally give the car understeer, which is that "sure" feeling that you're talking about. Most rear engine cars are more neutral or rear biased, and can be outright tricky to drive.

Why don't you ask an older Porsche 911 driver how easy it is to drive a rear engined car with oversteer at its limit?

are you joking? it takes a lot more experience to drive a 911 on the track and do well than it does a newer driver in a boxster. mid-engine.. its superior. it toook them YEARS to perfect the 911.. boxster did it in one shot.

if the boxster had the power of the carrera on the track it'd eat the carrera's for breakfast

 

[Marshallj]

Originally posted by: bozack
[I only used to race Saleen mustangs for a while so yeah I guess I have no idea how a rear wheel drive high torque car handles around corners at high speeds...granted I was driving straight axle rwds but the concept is still the same, I would slam on the gas going around the corner and the torque would be so great the rear wheels would break free sending me into a slide....I am sure the Z06 has the same capability since it has more HP than the cars I was racing (short of my friends 800 hp Saleen). With a stock Boxster I do not see this as being an issue.

You are talking about power oversteer. That has more to do with breaking the traction of the rear wheels loose with excess power.

I am talking about oversteer induced by the weight distribution and suspension geometry, like on a Porsche 911. It will tend to oversteer even without giving it too much power. If you're not on top of things, the back end can come around on you.

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[Marshallj]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Actually, most race drivers and other skilled drivers prefer slight oversteer.

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Yes, I know. He's talking about a car feeling "sure", or stable. For maximum manueverability you don't want a car that's too stable, else it wouldn't want to toss into a turn with the flick of the wheel. If it was very stable it would resist those quick changes.

 

[Marshallj]

Originally posted by: mrCide

Originally posted by: Marshallj

Originally posted by: bozack
..mid engine cars just have a surer (?) feel to them, with the high torque rwd I would worry more about hitting it comming out of a corner and having the rear end break free.

You surely have no idea what you're talking about. Having a front-biased weight distribution will generally give the car understeer, which is that "sure" feeling that you're talking about. Most rear engine cars are more neutral or rear biased, and can be outright tricky to drive.

Why don't you ask an older Porsche 911 driver how easy it is to drive a rear engined car with oversteer at its limit?

are you joking? it takes a lot more experience to drive a 911 on the track and do well than it does a newer driver in a boxster. mid-engine.. its superior. it toook them YEARS to perfect the 911.. boxster did it in one shot.

if the boxster had the power of the carrera on the track it'd eat the carrera's for breakfast

Why don't you re-read my post, correctly this time.

The point of my post that you just replied to was stating how UNstable an old Porsche 911 is.

Let's go over what I said...shall we?

"Most rear engine cars are more neutral or rear biased, and can be outright tricky to drive." "Why don't you ask an older Porsche 911 driver how easy it is to drive a rear engined car with oversteer at its limit"

Do you understand? I said that cars with oversteer can be outright tricky to drive. Then I listed a car with a lot of oversteer, an older Porsche 911.

 

[cressida]

Dear Marshallj,

Do you have anything better to do then keep replying to this thread? Who cares whether someone is wrong or right, you directed this thread somewhere else from original topic so STFU.

 

[mrCide]

you're right, i did misread it, my apologies

 

[Marshallj]

Originally posted by: SoloKid
Who cares whether someone is wrong or right, you directed this thread somewhere else from original topic so STFU.

Wow, that was both mature AND meaningful...

 

[Dark4ng3l]

Alot more than your comments anyways

 

[Marshallj]

Originally posted by: Dark4ng3l
Alot more than your comments anyways

RRRRRrrright.


At least I had a meaningful dialog with another member and got to the bottom of the Boxster S's and Z06's performance capabilities.

What did you do productive on this thread?

 

[Dark4ng3l]

This thread is about what people think about porsche boxster's not about comparing it with a corvette z06.

 

[Marshallj]

Originally posted by: Dark4ng3l
This thread is about what people think about porsche boxster's not about comparing it with a corvette z06.

Comparing a Porsche Boxster to its competition DIRECTLY applies to the topic at hand. What do your slants towards me have to do with this topic?

 

[CFster]

Have any of you people actually ever driven both of these cars to compare? Well I have.

Screw performance numbers - that's not what makes a car. Everybody here is talking acceleration numbers - go to the Mustang board or something.

Corvettes have NOTHING on Porsches. They simply aren't as refined. When you drive a Boxster the first thing that comes to your mind is how responsive it is. You think it, and the car goes in that direction. It's unbelievable. They don't NEED to have a lot of horsepower. There's more to making a car go fast through the twisties. Responsiveness, braking (we're not talking about 70-0 braking times either, I'm talking about pedal FEEL).

People say it's not a real Porsche, because it has less horsepower than a 911. Those people simply don't understand. The people who understand are the people who are driving 30 year old 911's and 914's in club events at your local road courses. Porsche was never about horsepower - there are plenty of exotics out there with a lot more. It's always been that way, and for a reason.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: CFster
Have any of you people actually ever driven both of these cars to compare? Well I have.

Screw performance numbers - that's not what makes a car. Everybody here is talking acceleration numbers - go to the Mustang board or something.

Corvettes have NOTHING on Porsches. They simply aren't as refined. When you drive a Boxster the first thing that comes to your mind is how responsive it is. You think it, and the car goes in that direction. It's unbelievable. They don't NEED to have a lot of horsepower. There's more to making a car go fast through the twisties. Responsiveness, braking (we're not talking about 70-0 braking times either, I'm talking about pedal FEEL).

People say it's not a real Porsche, because it has less horsepower than a 911. Those people simply don't understand. The people who understand are the people who are driving 30 year old 911's and 914's in club events at your local road courses. Porsche was never about horsepower - there are plenty of exotics out there with a lot more. It's always been that way, and for a reason.

Well said. I miss my 'teener. I'll be driving it in a couple of weeks though.

ZV

 

[Marshallj]

I think it comes down to what someone wants in a car. You can't expect everyone to like Porsches. You also can't expect everyone to like Vettes. Same is true for Vipers, Supra's, Z's, RX-7's, etc. There's a car out there for everybody. But don't blast someone because they don't like the car you like, and don't feel that they "just don't understand". Don't act like someone who doesn't like Porsches just needs to learn, unless you want them to feel the same way about you not liking their favorite car.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: Marshallj

Originally posted by: Dark4ng3l
This thread is about what people think about porsche boxster's not about comparing it with a corvette z06.

Comparing a Porsche Boxster to its competition DIRECTLY applies to the topic at hand. What do your slants towards me have to do with this topic?

The original poster wanted a Boxster. End of story.

If you like Mary, want to go out with Mary, and Mary likes you, I'm not going to throw Jennifer in your face.

 

[CFster]

Originally posted by: Marshallj
I think it comes down to what someone wants in a car. You can't expect everyone to like Porsches. You also can't expect everyone to like Vettes. Same is true for Vipers, Supra's, Z's, RX-7's, etc. There's a car out there for everybody. But don't blast someone because they don't like the car you like, and don't feel that they "just don't understand". Don't act like someone who doesn't like Porsches just needs to learn, unless you want them to feel the same way about you not liking their favorite car.

All I'm doing is making light of the fact that everybody seems to be interested in performance numbers and that's all. There's more to a car than just numbers.

 

[Marshallj]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Marshallj

Originally posted by: Dark4ng3l
This thread is about what people think about porsche boxster's not about comparing it with a corvette z06.

Comparing a Porsche Boxster to its competition DIRECTLY applies to the topic at hand. What do your slants towards me have to do with this topic?

The original poster wanted a Boxster. End of story.

If you like Mary, want to go out with Mary, and Mary likes you, I'm not going to throw Jennifer in your face.

I've read quite a few of your posts and it's apparent that logical, rational thinking is not your strongpoint. I was going to explain the pertainance of my posts, but I doubt that you have the ability to draw those conclusions based on the info I gave.

I will say, though, that the user was looking into a Boxster, and if he read my posts he would have learned the 0-60, 1/4 mile, braking, skidpad, and slalom speed of the car he was asking about, in addition to the specs of the Z06. He would have learned something about the car he was asking about, including professional opinions about the car he was asking about (he did ask for opinions).

What did your posts tell him about the car he was asking about?