Possible 1080 TI/Titan specs?

[tviceman]

That's no surprise. There is all the reasons in the world to use GDDR5X. Very little if any to use HBM2.

Don't you need my permission to quote me in your sig? I'll eat a used shoe if GP104 can reach 2.4ghz on air.

 

[biostud]

If for no other reason lets hope AMD has succes with Vega to drive prices down.

 

[Grooveriding]

They've been following a consistent style for the past two generations; mid range cards released as flagship - titan card - cut down titan card. I expect we will see exactly the same thing again this time.

 

[MrTeal]

Don't you need my permission to quote me in your sig? I'll eat a used shoe if GP104 can reach 2.4ghz on air.

Now you're just asking for someone to strap an NH-D15 on one with a 250cfm server fan and run it outside in -40C weather this winter.

 

[RussianSensation]

Don't you need my permission to quote me in your sig? I'll eat a used shoe if GP104 can reach 2.4ghz on air.

Asus Strix is out. 1 review has it maxing at 2063mhz, another 2088mhz.
http://videocardz.com/60631/asus-rog-strix-geforce-gtx-1080-offers-poor-overclocking

So far even 2114mhz on air is a pipe dream. This leaves a lot of headroom for Volta:

1) they can replace 1070/1080 with 400-450mm2 parts, introduce 12-14Ghz GDDR5X, and raise clocks on a 2nd gen 16nm node. Big Volta would be a 600-610mm2 chip. Better yet, NV could finally throw HBM2 on Volta GV104.

2) Volta would be an all new architecture with increase in performance per clock per shader. Since Pascal is just a refined Maxwell architecture underneath, Volta should introduce real Async Compute, smashing Pascal in DX12 games of 2018 and beyond.

Pascal is like Kepler of this gen -- a stop gap generation series designed for highest clocks. The worrying part is with NV continuing to raise prices, if $799 Big Pascal comes out June 2017, in about 12-15 months, GV104 2070 will match or beat it for close to half price. We just cannot win this game What we can see is the more expensive high end cards will become, the more they will depreciate in value faster when next gen comes out. We are seeing this back-to-back with $699 780Ti -> $329 970 and now again with $649 980Ti -> $379 1070. When Big Pascal comes out, it'll be fast enough for 4K gaming. On the positive side it means soon 1080p 60Hz gamers won't need to buy a card more expensive than $249, 1440p gamers will be fine with a $400 card and that will drop to $300 with Volta. Gaming overall will become cheaper unless pushing 1440p 144Hz and 4K.

Then PS5/XB2 should launch in 2020-2021 and graphics requirements will skyrocket again. That's why we need more powerful next gen consoles ASAP. That gap between PS4/XB1 is already gigantic which means we are slowly entering a repeat of the 2nd half of XB360/PS3 era of consoles holding back next gen PC GPUs.

 

[tviceman]

Pascal is like Kepler of this gen -- a stop gap generation series designed for highest clocks. The worrying part is with NV continuing to raise prices, if $799 Big Pascal comes out June 2017, in about 12-15 months, GV104 2070 will match or beat it for close to half price. We just cannot win this game What we can see is the more expensive high end cards will become, the more they will depreciate in value faster when next gen comes out. We are seeing this back-to-back with $699 780Ti -> $329 970 and now again with $649 980Ti -> $379 1070. When Big Pascal comes out, it'll be fast enough for 4K gaming. On the positive side it means soon 1080p 60Hz gamers won't need to buy a card more expensive than $249, 1440p gamers will be fine with a $400 card and that will drop to $300 with Volta. Gaming overall will become cheaper unless pushing 1440p 144Hz and 4K.

I don't see Nvidia releasing 1080 TI until AMD is ready with Vega. Titan PX will come this fall and then I see Nvidia trying to repeat their 980 TI success - release it a month or two ahead of AMD's best while offering the same or slightly better performance. We'll have a better grasp of what AMD is capable of with Vega based of P10's release in a month. Even if GP102 is 50% better in specs over GP104 just like GM200 was over GM204, 1080 TI and/or Titan could potentially come with 12-14ghz G5X vram, giving it 20-40% more bandwidth than the current GTX 1080 model (and thus more leg room over GTX 1080 than the GTX 980 TI and Titan X had over the GTX 980).

 

[tviceman]

Now you're just asking for someone to strap an NH-D15 on one with a 250cfm server fan and run it outside in -40C weather this winter.

 

[RussianSensation]

I don't see Nvidia releasing 1080 TI until AMD is ready with Vega. Titan PX will come this fall and then I see Nvidia trying to repeat their 980 TI success - release it a month or two ahead of AMD's best while offering the same or slightly better performance. We'll have a really good grasp of what AMD is capable of with Vega based of P10's release in a month.

I think you missed my point; I wasn't even discussing AMD. I am saying because now the generation is split into 2 parts for both firms, they will have $599+ cards every year, roughly offering 30-35% increase in performance per year (it's actually about 32-33% like clock work since September 2009). That means 1 year it's midrange $599-649, another year flagship $649-799, then after x70 card brings last gen's flagship for roughly half the price, and the cycle repeats. It means buying ANY $599-699 card with the intention of keeping it beyond 2 years now will be a terrible upgrade strategy. I just showed you what happened with 780Ti -> 970 and 980Ti -> 1070. We need to adopt to the new GPU landscape and upgrade more often or our cards will lose value faster than ever before. I mean $699 780Ti's performance can be purchased now for $250 and only 2.5 years have passed.

 

[zlejedi]

I think you missed my point; I wasn't even discussing AMD. I am saying because now the generation is split into 2 parts for both firms, they will have $599+ cards every year, roughly offering 30-35% increase in performance per year (it's actually about 32-33% like clock work since September 2009). That means 1 year it's midrange $599-649, another year flagship $649-799, then after x70 card brings last gen's flagship for roughly half the price, and the cycle repeats. It means buying ANY $599-699 card with the intention of keeping it beyond 2 years now will be a terrible upgrade strategy. I just showed you what happened with 780Ti -> 970 and 980Ti -> 1070. We need to adopt to the new GPU landscape and upgrade more often or our cards will lose value faster than ever before. I mean $699 780Ti's performance can be purchased now for $250 and only 2.5 years have passed.

2 years before your hardware hit bargain bin used to be norm long before we hit 28nm silicon era.

If anything hardware keep value better than ever now.

 

[tviceman]

I think you missed my point; I wasn't even discussing AMD. I am saying because now the generation is split into 2 parts for both firms, they will have $599+ cards every year, roughly offering 30-35% increase in performance per year (it's actually about 32-33% like clock work since September 2009). That means 1 year it's midrange $599-649, another year flagship $649-799, then after x70 card brings last gen's flagship for roughly half the price, and the cycle repeats. It means buying ANY $599-699 card with the intention of keeping it beyond 2 years now will be a terrible upgrade strategy. I just showed you what happened with 780Ti -> 970 and 980Ti -> 1070. We need to adopt to the new GPU landscape and upgrade more often or our cards will lose value faster than ever before. I mean $699 780Ti's performance can be purchased now for $250 and only 2.5 years have passed.

You're right, I didn't address your point. I got off on a tangent there. I think the GTX 1080 will get a $50 price drop in the face of Vega competition and GTX 1080 TI will intro at $799 founders / $699 non-founders. This founders crap needs to die.

 

[biostud]

I think they'll do the same as with GTX970/980 lower prices once AMD launches something that can compete with GTX1070/1080 and then launch 1080Ti @ $699, denying AMD any possibility to have a huge surplus on what they earn on each card.

 

[dark zero]

I think you missed my point; I wasn't even discussing AMD. I am saying because now the generation is split into 2 parts for both firms, they will have $599+ cards every year, roughly offering 30-35% increase in performance per year (it's actually about 32-33% like clock work since September 2009). That means 1 year it's midrange $599-649, another year flagship $649-799, then after x70 card brings last gen's flagship for roughly half the price, and the cycle repeats. It means buying ANY $599-699 card with the intention of keeping it beyond 2 years now will be a terrible upgrade strategy. I just showed you what happened with 780Ti -> 970 and 980Ti -> 1070. We need to adopt to the new GPU landscape and upgrade more often or our cards will lose value faster than ever before. I mean $699 780Ti's performance can be purchased now for $250 and only 2.5 years have passed.

So NVIDIA themselves are doing harakiri for that movements? They screwed up themselves then... leading that gaming industry will eventually be totally behind nVIDIA capabilities.

 

[CakeMonster]

They've been following a consistent style for the past two generations; mid range cards released as flagship - titan card - cut down titan card. I expect we will see exactly the same thing again this time.

Well at least that strategy should take a year for the 1080Ti so that 1080 will be somewhat decent value in the mean time. And if the Ti will be priced higher then it makes sense to get the 1080 now for those who need/want an upgrade but can't justify $799 or whatever they will charge for the Ti.

No great options but arguments can be made for going with 1080 now given the uncertainty of release date and price for the bigger chip.

 

[moonbogg]

980ti class card price going up to $800? Count me out for SLI for sure. If the prices keep going up, I'll just throw in the towel and stick to the cheaper mid range releases. Even the cut down 1070 style cards. I'll just buy one of them and turn down some settings, spend $400 and be done with it. Screw it. It will be good enough. This is getting too expensive with too much headache attached.

 

[tviceman]

980ti class card price going up to $800? Count me out for SLI for sure. If the prices keep going up, I'll just throw in the towel and stick to the cheaper mid range releases. Even the cut down 1070 style cards. I'll just buy one of them and turn down some settings, spend $400 and be done with it. Screw it. It will be good enough. This is getting too expensive with too much headache attached.

With SLI "supposedly" improved for Pascal (focus on 2-way), going 1070 SLI might be a great option if you're really wanting SLI.

EDIT: Oh wait, you're already on 980 TI SLI. Hahahahahaahaha. Sell those bad boys now and side-grade to 1070 SLI. It'll save you 200+ watts of power usage.

 

[RussianSensation]

2 years before your hardware hit bargain bin used to be norm long before we hit 28nm silicon era.

If anything hardware keep value better than ever now.

I guess everyone's experience is different. I barely lost any $ after reselling my HD4890, GTX470s, HD6950. After 2012 everything changed because prices went up 50-100% per each GPU level. What used to be $249 560Ti became $550 7970 and $500 680. There have been a couple solid cards like 290/290X/970 that if one bought at the right time - they held value well. OTOH, $550-650 780, $700 780Ti, launch $550 290X lost value like crazy. If someone didn't sell their 980/980Ti/Fury X on time, all of those cards depreciated like a rock by now. I completely disagree with you because less than 2 years since $550 980 launched, it's going to be possible to buy a $380 1070. Used 980Ti cards won't be worth more than $350 in 2 months and a used 980 won't be worth more than $250 the day Polaris 10 comes out. At the end of the day I don't care that much since all my GPUs are free but that perk won't be around forever.

 

[crisium]

1080 and 1070 went up $50 from the 900 series. I think 1080 Ti will be $100 premium from last gen though. $750 for MSRP. Probably $100 more for FE.

And since Titan series is reference (FE) only, I'm gonna go with $1100 for the Titan 1000.

 

[tential]

With SLI "supposedly" improved for Pascal (focus on 2-way), going 1070 SLI might be a great option if you're really wanting SLI.

EDIT: Oh wait, you're already on 980 TI SLI. Hahahahahaahaha. Sell those bad boys now and side-grade to 1070 SLI. It'll save you 200+ watts of power usage.

If you can sell your 980ti for over 450 why not side grade....

 

[sam_816]

Who is selling 980ti? I am looking for a gigabyte xtreme ed. anyone selling extreme edition?

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[Heatshiver]

If for no other reason lets hope AMD has succes with Vega to drive prices down.

This.

 

[moonbogg]

With SLI "supposedly" improved for Pascal (focus on 2-way), going 1070 SLI might be a great option if you're really wanting SLI.

EDIT: Oh wait, you're already on 980 TI SLI. Hahahahahaahaha. Sell those bad boys now and side-grade to 1070 SLI. It'll save you 200+ watts of power usage.

LOL. That would be a bad move. I like to OC the 980ti's and give my loop something substantial to exhaust. None of this power efficient stuff will do.

 

[SelenaGomez]

Needless to say the GTX 1080ti and Titan will be BEASTS. my guess is they will both be around 40-50% faster than the 1080

 

[exar333]

1080 and 1070 went up $50 from the 900 series. I think 1080 Ti will be $100 premium from last gen though. $750 for MSRP. Probably $100 more for FE.

And since Titan series is reference (FE) only, I'm gonna go with $1100 for the Titan 1000.

I think you are probably pretty right here....

Regarding the FE stuff. I sort of wonder if that will continue or not. The response wasn't great this time around, and I really just don't see NV continuing that...

 

[exar333]

Needless to say the GTX 1080ti and Titan will be BEASTS. my guess is they will both be around 40-50% faster than the 1080

This would make it the first really viable 4K single GPU experience IMHO. The 1080 will get you by pretty well, but 30-40% more performance would really be a great 4K card.

 

[SelenaGomez]

This would make it the first really viable 4K single GPU experience IMHO. The 1080 will get you by pretty well, but 30-40% more performance would really be a great 4K card.

Yes and imagine if you SLI them at 4k...How beautiful it will look when higher than 60 hz monitors come out