Good to hear, I hope you find a way to move to the West, so you don't have to pay taxes to subsidize these Islamist autocrats.
I am fine Thankfully I never needed to be an Erdogan or Gulen sympathizer to do well in school or work. Plus, I am an atheist so they would probably stone me to death, not arrest me. Thank you for your concern
That's going to be a huge windfall for the Clinton Family Foundation.Christ Bummer and Billary, please don't let Turkey get F-35!
It's a bad time to be a member of NATO in Turkey right now.Bakır and Topçu have been working with Campbell, the former U.S. Commander of the International Security Assistance Forces (ISAF), a NATO force in Afghanistan, for a long time during their duty in ISAF.
Campbell retired from his post in ISAF earlier this year and undertook the “duty" for organizing the coup in Turkey.
After his retirement in March, Campbell started working with an 80-person team of the American Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) to organize a group of Fetullah Terrorist Organization (FETÖ) gangs inside the Turkish military.
A close-up of Campbell's Turkish team that attempted coup
It's a bad time to be a member of NATO in Turkey right now.
That's going to be a huge windfall for the Clinton Family Foundation.
Assuming Turkey even WANTS the F-35.
Readers might want to take Ergodan controlled publications with larger than usual grain of salt.
Despite legal provisions, media freedom in Turkey has steadily deteriorated over the last five years[when?]. Since 2013, Freedom House ranks Turkey as "Not Free".[2] Reporters Without Borders rank Turkey at the 149th place out of over 180 countries, between Mexico and DR Congo, with a score of 44.16[3] In the third quarter of 2015, the independent Turkish press agency Bianet recorded a strengthening of attacks on the opposition media during AKP interim government.[4] The final 2015 Bianet's monitoring report confirmed this alarming trend and underlined that once regained majority after the AKP interim government period, the Turkish government further intensified its pressure on the country's media.[5]
No they shouldn't. They shape the worldview of the Turkish people. He who controls the information, CONTROLS EVERY FUCKING THING. It is absolutely critical that the Turkish people are allowed to see information outside of the propaganda of its Islamist leader. Without that, they will follow him right back into the dark ages.
Good point. My point was that if Turkey buys the F-35, then they are susceptible to the USA cutting off spare parts and engineering assistance, and that's assuming that we don't build in any kill switches. However, clearly Russia would love to have a dozen or so examples with trained pilots and technicians, so that they could not only take it apart but actually fly against it.Oh, they'll want it. Russia will make it worth their while, for sure. If you were Turkey wouldn't you want both the best strike fighter out plus the $$$ under the table in your personal account from Russia?
The west’s response to the crisis was disgraceful.
Instead of immediately supporting Turkey’s besieged democratic government, Washington, London, Paris and Ottawa all issued only lukewarm, half-hearted support. President Erdogan is not liked, particularly by the US. He is a Muslim, too independent-minded, insufficiently response to American demands in spite of his support for the anti-ISIS war in Syria and Iraq. Perhaps worst of all, Erdogan is sometimes critical of Israel over its repression of the Palestinians.
As a result, leading US neocon papers, like the Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, and NY Times drip with venom over Erdogan. CNN’s coverage of the coup was astoundingly biased and nasty, worthy of the old Pravda. The anti-Erdogan neocons began spreading the ludicrous canard that the coup was a false-flag operation staged by the Turkish leader himself. It was the real thing. Even Turkey’s opposition parties sided with Erdogan’s AK.
Erdogan is hardly perfect. He is often too authoritarian and made a mess in Syria. But his triumph in protecting Turkey’s hard-won democracy should be lauded and strongly supported by his NATO allies, starting with the US – which was quick to support the brutal military coup in Egypt. Time for Washington to come clean on its murky links to Gulen.
Good point. My point was that if Turkey buys the F-35, then they are susceptible to the USA cutting off spare parts and engineering assistance, and that's assuming that we don't build in any kill switches. However, clearly Russia would love to have a dozen or so examples with trained pilots and technicians, so that they could not only take it apart but actually fly against it.
Readers might want to take Ergodan controlled publications with larger than usual grain of salt.
What the fucking fuck did I just read?
According to Yeni Safak, Campbell "also managed more than $2 billion in transactions via UBA Bank in Nigeria by using CIA links to distribute among the pro-coup military personnel in Turkey."
The retired US general had allegedly paid "at least two secret visits" to Turkey since May up to the attempted coup, which the Turkish authorities blamed on what they call the Fethullah Terrorist Organization (FETO).
Just fyi, rt is russian government, and tends to be liable to report anything that makes the US look bad. Doesn't mean it's untrue, but keep that in mind.
You think the truth matters in politics? Because in Turkey, Russia, and elsewhere... those reports are known to THEIR people as the truth. It's what at least half the world is going to believe. That a United States General and NATO Commander lead the coup.
We have to address those beliefs whether they are real or not.
After his retirement in March, Campbell started working with an 80-person team of the American Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) to organize a group of Fetullah Terrorist Organization (FETÖ) gangs inside the Turkish military.
Anybody who thinks following statement is true was born yesterday.
Nobody names their own organization "Terrrorist" organization; not even ISIS!
That should have been your clue that it was an Onion (style) article.
No warplane is perfect. What Russia would want is knowledge about the engagement window (how the F-35 appears to their systems, how their aircraft appear on the F-35 systems), the effects of types of jamming systems, where the F-35 is better and where it is worse than competing Russian designs. If one knows where one's advantages lie, then good pilots have a huge advantage.I don't know if Turkey would ever be that overt, but they could simply have an "accident" where a panel gets lost/damaged and the Russians end up being able to get production stealth coatings/materials that they otherwise would have a hard time procuring. Not to mention getting to see the systems and hardware, obtaining copies of them, etc. We already know the F-35 is going to smoke anything flying short of an F-22 (and even then, because of better sensor fusion, it will be able to give F-22 a run for money), so the Russians aren't going to be looking at how it performs physically. They need to be able to beat the stealth and sensors, that's why giving an F-35 to Turkey and risking they get access is stupid. But, Turkey is in NATO, and, getting F-35 orders is important to LM and Gov...so....