Possible coup in Turkey

[SOFTengCOMPelec]

The tweets they cited are, what, also fake? RT is biased, it's not the onion.
Google has two other sites, of lesser reputation.
Zerohedge
israelnationalnews

It would appear they rushed to the base amidst threats. Possibly it was a protection force, the way they describe it as an "inspection".

I still can't find any valid/reliable confirmation that there are thousands of troups there.

But a number of sources (which I am unsure how reliable they are, but they seem more genuine than the other sources. Which seem suspicious to me) are saying the story is FAKE, and something about Russia was the source, who are trying to stir things up.

https://twitter.com/Bas_Frerinkk/

7000 police officers being activated at Incirlik seems to be a Russian lie. RT tries to detoriate relation TR-US?

 

[Oric]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cos7VjNVMAAO6yj.jpg

Not because of Erdogan's statements, there is a growing anger towards USA.

Imagine a foreign TV (for example Libya) hosting Bin Laden with a title "Accused terrorist" on TV. What would be the public sentiment in US ? There would be protests, wouldn't they ?

By the way there is not an unusual movement outside Incirlik, it is like all over Turkey, people walking rallies, shouting and horning. It is the same since Jul 15th

 

[brycejones]

The tweets they cited are, what, also fake? RT is biased, it's not the onion.
Google has two other sites, of lesser reputation.
Zerohedge
israelnationalnews

It would appear they rushed to the base amidst threats. Possibly it was a protection force, the way they describe it as an "inspection".

Come on, that constellation of "sources" might as well be the freaking onion. Actually the onion usually sounds more plausible.

 

[norseamd]

http://www.macleans.ca/news/world/how-turkey-became-a-petri-dish-for-islamist-politics/

 

[norseamd]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cos7VjNVMAAO6yj.jpg

Not because of Erdogan's statements, there is a growing anger towards USA.

Imagine a foreign TV (for example Libya) hosting Bin Laden with a title "Accused terrorist" on TV. What would be the public sentiment in US ? There would be protests, wouldn't they ?

By the way there is not an unusual movement outside Incirlik, it is like all over Turkey, people walking rallies, shouting and horning. It is the same since Jul 15th

This is a free democratic country, where individuals are innocent until proven guilty, not 1600s Salem.

 

[brycejones]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cos7VjNVMAAO6yj.jpg

Not because of Erdogan's statements, there is a growing anger towards USA.

Imagine a foreign TV (for example Libya) hosting Bin Laden with a title "Accused terrorist" on TV. What would be the public sentiment in US ? There would be protests, wouldn't they ?

By the way there is not an unusual movement outside Incirlik, it is like all over Turkey, people walking rallies, shouting and horning. It is the same since Jul 15th

Frankly until convicted the proper way to refer to the person is "accused". Its how people who are charged but not convicted in this country are referred to by the media. You know that whole innocent until proven guilty thing. So if people are getting their panties in a wad about this they need to get over it.

 

[sontakke]

Can you say this instead?
"Imagine a foreign country (for example Pakistan) hosting Bin Laden with a title "Accused Terrorist" in their nation. What would be the public sentiment in US ? There would be protests, wouldn't they ?"

You don't have to imagine. It indeed happened. Can you locate the news of rallies, shouting and horning in USA?

 

[Oric]

Norseamd : Take your middle finger to your own ass. Innocent until proven guilty ? Hand him over for a trial. This is not your banana republic.

 

[norseamd]

Norseamd : Take your middle finger to your own ass. Innocent until proven guilty ? Hand him over for a trial. This is not your banana republic.

You mean I can quite clearly see it is your own Banana Republic which America has no control over?

 

[Oric]

Can you say this instead?
"Imagine a foreign country (for example Pakistan) hosting Bin Laden with a title "Accused Terrorist" in their nation. What would be the public sentiment in US ? There would be protests, wouldn't they ?"

You don't have to imagine. It indeed happened. Can you locate the news of rallies, shouting and horning in USA?

Did Pakistan not have bad publicity supporting anti-USA terrorists ? This is the way feelings are expressed on this part of the world. Like it or not ...

 

[Oric]

You mean I can quite clearly see it is your own Banana Republic which America has no control over?

To see clearly you have to take off your finger from your eyes first. Wrong hole ..

 

[bshole]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cos7VjNVMAAO6yj.jpg

Not because of Erdogan's statements, there is a growing anger towards USA.

Imagine a foreign TV (for example Libya) hosting Bin Laden with a title "Accused terrorist" on TV. What would be the public sentiment in US ? There would be protests, wouldn't they ?

By the way there is not an unusual movement outside Incirlik, it is like all over Turkey, people walking rallies, shouting and horning. It is the same since Jul 15th

Understood. I suppose that you are unaware of the extradition process. How can you be enraged when the United States has not yet refused to turn him over? There is a thing called due process. FOR FUCKS SAKE A FORMAL EXTRADITION REQUEST HAS NOT EVEN BEEN MADE YET.

Bottom line this guy is an Islamist just like your president. I believe both individuals support Sharia law as the law of the land and therefor neither one is good for a secular nation. If the twit was actively involved in overthrowing the Turkish government and the extradition request has the goods proving it, America will send him over. If they don't THEN you would be justified for raging. Lets see the evidence though because the only thing I have seen is Ergodan's ASSERTIONS.


http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/07/will-us-cave-erdogans-extradition-demand/

Papers are being drawn up to send to the US over these latest claims and the US has said it will look closely into the matter.

 

[agent00f]

I'm just trying to figure out Erdogan's (and presumably your) logic here, so help me out.

When the opposing group has deep roots like a weed, you have to dig deep and take it out with force.

Sure, but who's been keeping a list of FETO members? Seems atypical for a "terrorist" org to keep such a huge a list of its own members, given it's ostensibly a criminal enterprise. If it's Erdogan keeping the list of enemies, how exclusive is such a list without any judicial review? Who decides who's on the list?

If they were successfui, we would have been talking something else. They did not have a good plan & execution.

But that's the part which makes no sense to me. An enemy can't be super dangerous and yet super incompetent at the same time. Either they're a clear and present danger to the country, which I suppose your proposal to act immediately makes sense, or they are more the kind to implement about the worse coup ever, in which case the normal legal process should take care them.

 

[agent00f]

Understood. I suppose that you are unaware of the extradition process. How can you be enraged when the United States has not yet refused to turn him over? There is a thing called due process. FOR FUCKS SAKE A FORMAL EXTRADITION REQUEST HAS NOT EVEN BEEN MADE YET.

Bottom line this guy is an Islamist just like your president. I believe both individuals support Sharia law as the law of the land and therefor neither one is good for a secular nation. If the twit was actively involved in overthrowing the Turkish government and the extradition request has the goods proving it, America will send him over. If they don't THEN you would be justified for raging. Lets see the evidence though because the only thing I have seen is Ergodan's ASSERTIONS.


http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/07/will-us-cave-erdogans-extradition-demand/

To be fair to turkey the US never made such a request for Bin Laden before leveling Afghanistan.

 

[cubby1223]

To be fair to turkey the US never made such a request for Bin Laden before leveling Afghanistan.

Who cares about being fair to another pending cesspool of civilization? If Turkey has the power to come in uninvited to the U.S. and take this guy, then so be it. But for you to compare the two, and in fact many of the comparisons you have been making in your short stint here - make me seriously question your background and your motives.

What is it you desire? For the U.S. to be equals with the cesspools of civilization?

 

[cubby1223]

there is a growing anger towards USA.

Well, DUH!!!!

Leaders in Turkey want greater power and greater control over the nation and the people. Simplest way is to divert the people's attention away from themselves, and the U.S. is being used as the attention diversion.

Turkey citizens are angry towards the U.S. Okay. What do you expect us over here to do about it? Your leaders are lying to you in order to gain power and control over you. What exactly do you want us to do about it?

All I ask is you don't come crying when your nation descends into a much shittier place to live. Accept responsibility for your own actions.

 

[cubby1223]

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[agent00f]

Who cares about being fair to another pending cesspool of civilization? If Turkey has the power to come in uninvited to the U.S. and take this guy, then so be it. But for you to compare the two, and in fact many of the comparisons you have been making in your short stint here - make me seriously question your background and your motives.

What is it you desire? For the U.S. to be equals with the cesspools of civilization?

To be clear here, you're arguing that might makes right.

 

[Screech]

To be fair to turkey the US never made such a request for Bin Laden before leveling Afghanistan.

Well, to be pendantic, we sorta did while we were leveling Afghanistan......

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/oct/14/afghanistan.terrorism5

Anyway, this is neither here nor there. But on topic, (and I apologize if this has already been answered earlier), is there anyone (Oric I presume, maybe there's others also?) who can summarize how Gulenists are viewed in Turkey, what Gulen wants, any evidence linking him to the coup, etc? Clueless American here

 

[agent00f]

Well, to be pendantic, we sorta did while we were leveling Afghanistan......

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/oct/14/afghanistan.terrorism5

Anyway, this is neither here nor there. But on topic, (and I apologize if this has already been answered earlier), is there anyone (Oric I presume, maybe there's others also?) who can summarize how Gulenists are viewed in Turkey, what Gulen wants, any evidence linking him to the coup, etc? Clueless American here

To be pedantic, the "request" refers to extradition request with presumably supporting evidence. The US just told them to hand the guy over and started bombing when they refused on principle. The lesson here is that standing on principles is very disadvantageous IRL.

 

[norseamd]

Who cares about being fair to another pending cesspool of civilization? If Turkey has the power to come in uninvited to the U.S. and take this guy, then so be it. But for you to compare the two, and in fact many of the comparisons you have been making in your short stint here - make me seriously question your background and your motives.

What is it you desire? For the U.S. to be equals with the cesspools of civilization?

Oh for fucks sake, shut the fuck up.

 

[Jaskalas]

Erdogan blames ‘foreign powers’ for coup and says West is supporting terrorism

“The West is supporting terrorism and taking sides with coups,” he said. “Those we considered friends are siding with coup-plotters and terrorists.”

One week til he travels to Russia.
When does he kick NATO out of Turkey? Could take a few years to cement his position with Putin.

 

[agent00f]

Erdogan blames ‘foreign powers’ for coup and says West is supporting terrorism
One week til he travels to Russia.
When does he kick NATO out of Turkey? Could take a few years to cement his position with Putin.

One of these days you'll come to recognize the general principle that blaming everything on foreigners is the best way to consolidate domestic power. That day can be today.

 

[werepossum]

AtenRa called it early. Have a couple of senior military commanders set up some very junior underlings for a big fall. Senior commanders get pardoned, junior underlings get executed, Islamicists purge all non-Islamicists from government, education, etc. Oh, and I owe Justoh an apology. Sorry, dude - you were right, I was wrong.

We need to firewall the Islamic nations before they introduce the world to the glories of the seventh century. None are salvageable, and our efforts to make them civilized just make it worse. No one in, no one out, except for verifiable Christians, atheists, and Hindus trying to get the hell out of, well, hell for good. No trade with them, no travel to them, no relationship with them, period. It will take a major international effort, an Apollo or World War II-level effort to wean ourselves from oil. That's the only way we avoid World War III.

 

[agent00f]

AtenRa called it early. Have a couple of senior military commanders set up some very junior underlings for a big fall. Senior commanders get pardoned, junior underlings get executed, Islamicists purge all non-Islamicists from government, education, etc. Oh, and I owe Justoh an apology. Sorry, dude - you were right, I was wrong.

We need to firewall the Islamic nations before they introduce the world to the glories of the seventh century. None are salvageable, and our efforts to make them civilized just make it worse. No one in, no one out, except for verifiable Christians, atheists, and Hindus trying to get the hell out of, well, hell for good. No trade with them, no travel to them, no relationship with them, period. It will take a major international effort, an Apollo or World War II-level effort to wean ourselves from oil. That's the only way we avoid World War III.

We've had two world wars thus far, and even with the sorry state of education in merica today hopefully it's still being correctly taught whether western christians or islamists were responsible/embroiled in both.