Gulen used to be buddies w/ Erdogan before some falling out. It's a civil war type deal, only jingoism just happens to be a more effective tool/weapon for Erdogan to employ on folks whom that's effective on.
Gulen's "FETO" followers are Turks. It's a large Islamic faction inside Turkey that has been working to overthrow Erdogan for a long time. Tensions were rising for several years until finally they tried force and violence via the Coup. Foreign "agents" are the connections FETO established with NATO. We do not know the extent of who corroborated or by how much. It seems reasonable to assume FETO may have gotten in close and friendly with NATO to help assist them with legitimacy after the Coup.
It's a world of difference if FETO's relationship with NATO was on a personal level with a few key members stationed inside Turkey, or if there was any official support or legitimacy provided. It's possible General Campbell and/or NATO is only guilty by association.
But if CIA were involved in this fake coup, it would have succeeded as your own list amply proves that assertion.
I am seeing reports that the coup was staged by Ergodan himself. I have seen this on multiple websites by completely different media.
I would like to hear how a bloody coup attempt can be a staged one, one involving bombing f-16s, tanks, soldiers firing on civilians, a bombed parliment. NGOs shooting Generals. It was as real as it can be.
Always apply Occam's razor, among all possible events, the simplest explanation is the right one.
Turkey's current account deficit stood at $4.94 billion in June, up more than $1.7 billion year-on-year due to a decline in income from tourism and an increase in imports, the Central Bank of the Republic of Turkey (CBRT) announced yesterday.
The 12-month rolling deficit rose to $29.4 billion, up from $27.7 billion in May of this year.
Turkey's revenues from tourism fell to $5 billion in the second quarter of the year, a 35.6 percent decline from the same period in the previous year, the Turkish Statistical Institute (TurkStat) said on July 29. The country's first half-year total revenue from tourism was $9.04 billion, down from $12.6 billion a year earlier.
Here is simple. A few disgruntled secular Turkish military generals concerned at the Islamist bent and fascist tendencies of Ergodan tried to overthrow him. They failed. That actually comports with the evidence. It is by far the most likely explanation.
You should know that Turkey is fast becoming a country that is considered unsafe for Westerners to visit. Do you have any idea what will happen to your economy if rich Westerners quit visiting your country? All this hate you are feeding on is simply self-destructive.
The coup generals are not the seculars, actually they have plotted "Balyoz" and "Ergenekon" operations, using their judicial and police arm of Gulenists to dismiss secular powers (officers) out of the army in between 2008 - 2011. Google those operations and you can read the details.
Then it even makes less sense for America to be involved. You really believe that America would side with Islamists? That seems irrational. What would America have to gain by installing Islamists?
CIA career man Graham E. Fuller was a key backer of Fetullah Gülen and architect of the CIA Islam strategy since Afghanistan’s Mujahideen.
In 2008, shortly after he wrote a letter of recommendation to the US Government asking to give Gülen the special US residence visa, Fuller wrote a book titled The New Turkish Republic: Turkey as a Pivotal State in the Muslim World. At the center of the book was praise for Gülen and his “moderate” Islamic Gülen Movement in Turkey:
Afghanistan was a success because we weren't trying to protect Afghanistan, we were trying to protect Pakistan. Afghanistan is merely the area where G-d will stick the nozzle if He decides to give the world an enema. We didn't give a flip about Afghanistan, and neither did the Soviets. They wanted Pakistan, a warm water port, not more hostile and useless land. Pakistan was an ally, if only to counter the Soviets' strategic ally India, and an ally we were treaty-bound to defend. (Except against India, the natural assumption being that if we agreed to fight India for Pakistan, Pakistan would provoke a war with India.)In your long list of so called CIA "failures", the only one which really stands out as a failure is Afghanistan. In Iran the failure was anticipation of events (just like what happened in your country last month). In almost all the cases that *you* documented, where CIA interfered, it obtained the results its bosses wanted.
AND THAT WAS MY POINT. I am not at all arguing with you that CIA does not have documented history of interfering or directly provoking regime changes all over the world. That fact is NOT in dispute.
But if CIA were involved in this fake coup, it would have succeeded as your own list amply proves that assertion.
Good question. Now we have a common view to discuss things.
This was an Islamist military coup against an Islamist elected government.
The reason why the American State is involved : Erdogan had become unpredictable and with too much self-esteem. A succesful coup by Gulenist movement meant %100 control over Turkey. It wouldn't be a secular, Kemalist junta, but because they had all the bases in the police, state and judicial system covered, it would have been a long and painful one to finish with Fetullah Gulen returning to Istanbul like Houmeyni did to Tehran in 1977. Then we would really have the Islamist republic of Turkey.
Now Erdogan made his first official visit to Putin, where we were on a verge of armed conflict 2 months ago.
More than 26,000 have been detained by the Turkish government and a further 8,000 remain under investigation, according to the country's Justice Minister.
Thousands of teachers, judges, civil servants and police officers have been suspended, journalists and academics have been arrested and more than 130 media outlets shut down.
You actually feel that America instituted an Islamist coup using junior officers and enlisted men in Turkey because Erdogan has "too much self-esteem"?Good question. Now we have a common view to discuss things.
This was an Islamist military coup against an Islamist elected government.
The reason why the American State is involved : Erdogan had become unpredictable and with too much self-esteem. A succesful coup by Gulenist movement meant %100 control over Turkey. It wouldn't be a secular, Kemalist junta, but because they had all the bases in the police, state and judicial system covered, it would have been a long and painful one to finish with Fetullah Gulen returning to Istanbul like Houmeyni did to Tehran in 1977. Then we would really have the Islamist republic of Turkey.
Now Erdogan made his first official visit to Putin, where we were on a verge of armed conflict 2 months ago.
You actually feel that America instituted an Islamist coup using junior officers and enlisted men in Turkey because Erdogan has "too much self-esteem"?
With that level of crazy, I'm not understanding how Trump hasn't yet snapped you up as a foreign adviser.
Yup. Part of the human condition, but it does seem to be especially strong among Islamists.Not only him but a sizeable portion of the Turkish population AND they admit they have no evidence on which to base that conclusion. They have made up their mind. God, does the foreign intrigue angle work.... It is breathtakingly effective.
Still trying to pull the level of the discussion down ? If you don't like what is being told to you, you don't have to take it to personal levels.
Yup. Part of the human condition, but it does seem to be especially strong among Islamists.
Two independent sources told EurActiv.com that the US has started transferring nuclear weapons stationed in Turkey to Romania, against the background of worsening relations between Washington and Ankara.
Is this news about Trump correct ?
http://awdnews.com/political/trump-cia-officers-helped-turkey-coup-attempt,-evidence-available
You were asking me evidence. Now ask him !
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