Is this news about Trump correct ?
http://awdnews.com/political/trump-cia-officers-helped-turkey-coup-attempt,-evidence-available
You were asking me evidence. Now ask him !
Trolled means "I am trolled". Only a defeated soul would interpret this as a means to continue personal attacks.
My original post was a question "Is this valid". you certainly don't read the posts.
Recognizing crazy is not a personal attack, it's just recognizing reality.Trolled means "I am trolled". Only a defeated soul would interpret this as a means to continue personal attacks.
My original post was a question "Is this valid". you certainly don't read the posts.
This thread man, this whole fucking thread.
https://twitter.com/MahirZeynalov/status/771463328120143872
I wonder at this point if anyone still believes there was an attempted coup. Just another Islamic asshole setting up himself as a dictator, at his people's expense.
Turkey has asked Washington to arrest a US-based religious leader and businessman for allegedly masterminding a failed attempt to overthrow the government, according to state media.
The Turkish justice ministry formally demanded that US authorities arrest Fethullah Gulen on charges of "ordering and commanding the attempted coup", the state-run Anadolu news agency reported on Tuesday.
President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and other top Turkish officials have repeatedly appealed to the US government to extradite Gulen, sending them documents which allegedly show evidence of his involvement in the failed coup attempt on July 15.
A delegation of US officials visited Ankara late last month to hold talks over Turkey's request for Gulen's extradition.
The development marked the first concrete and public sign of progress in Turkey's efforts to get him returned to the country.
When US Vice President Joe Biden visited Ankara several weeks later, he said he understood the "intense feeling" in Turkey over Gulen.
The US has "no interest whatsoever in protecting anyone who has done harm to an ally. None," he said.
"But we need to meet the legal standard requirement under our law," he added.
'Parallel state'
Turkey says that supporters of Gulen within the army carried out the failed coup attempt, claiming that they had been running "a parallel state" within the civilian and military bureaucracy that followed the US-based cleric's orders. Gulen denies the claims.
The US has previously asked the Turkish government for evidence of Gulen's involvement, saying that the extradition process must be allowed to take its course.
In a statement to Al Jazeera in late August, Yasin Aktay, the deputy chairman of the ruling Justice and Development Party, said that Washington's reluctance to return Gulen to Turkey, or arrest him, was unacceptable.
"It is bizarre for us that they [the US] have not been convinced, considering the scope of evidence we presented to them," Aktay said.
"The testimony of the suspects who were arrested red-handed and documents we gave them are clear. If you add the statements of Gulen regarding the goal of his organisational movement, we believe there is nothing to question. Strong American intelligence should be well aware of who he really is."
Gulen has had court cases pending against him for several years and Turkey has been demanding his extradition well before the failed coup attempt.
Turkey filed the required documentation regarding Gulen. I hope this information is shared with the American people.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/...-gulen-ordering-coup-bid-160913141519446.html
And you believe Erdogan because?
Just because Erdogan says Gulen was involved does not mean that Gulen was not involved.
It's probably more the point that it was organized by Erdogan himself. This seems to suggest non Gulen involvement.
This must be a real eye opener to spot how non-acurate information you are being fed by your "trusted" media.
It is like there is a car accident, a drunk driver hits a child on a bicycle, all of us bystanders see the accident with our eyes. We know the man has a history with alcohol, the police tests him later with a breathalyzer and he checks positive. You read the accident in the paper as "Cyclist hits a sober man in the curb". Poor man, shame on you child !
Gülen and Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan are former political allies, and members of the Gülen movement helped populate the state bureaucracy following the 2002 election victory of the ruling Justice and Development Party, or AKP. For a decade, the AKP and the Gülenists cooperated and, indeed, the movement was an integral part of the burgeoning AKP political, media, academic, and business establishment. The alliance helped both the AKP and the Gülen movement, allowing them to erode the control of traditional military and secular elites in Turkey; there is strong evidence that Gülenists in the police and judiciary collaborated with the AKP government to purge military officers and secular rivals in two massive—and manufactured—cases against supposed coup plotters in 2008 and 2010. But Gülenist prosecutors turned on the AKP in December 2013, opening major corruption cases against senior party leaders and their families. Gülenists are believed to have leaked—or, Erdoğan supporters say, manufactured—tapes implicating Erdoğan and his family in widespread corruption, possibly in a bid to swing upcoming elections. Erdoğan and the AKP decried the corruption cases as a coup attempt and declared open political war with the Gülen movement, seizing businesses and closing media outlets and schools associated with the movement.
This must be a real eye opener to spot how non-acurate information you are being fed by your "trusted" media.
It is like there is a car accident, a drunk driver hits a child on a bicycle, all of us bystanders see the accident with our eyes. We know the man has a history with alcohol, the police tests him later with a breathalyzer and he checks positive. You read the accident in the paper as "Cyclist hits a sober man in the curb". Poor man, shame on you child !
Well we will see won't we? If the evidence is indeed compelling, I am confident Gulen will be extradited. I am very curious to see the documentation that was supplied to the American government. At this point, I am 50% convinced that Gulen was directly involved and 50% convinced that he was not.
Even if he had connections to any of those generals, that alone does not mean he had any role in the coup. He is only guilty if he had a direct role in planning the attempted coup.
At this point I don't believe there was any real coup attempt, just a false flag operation where a lot of junior officers and enlisted are thrown to the dogs to provide an excuse to purge Turkish society of secular and tolerant observant Muslims. Consider this: Erdogan has charged a third of all Turkish military generals and admirals as part of the coup, yet it lasted about three hours and Erdogan was free to fly about the city the whole time. Erdogan is also purging the entirety of Turkish society of secular and tolerant Muslims - literally tens of thousands of them. Can they all be plotters? No way that passes the smell test.Aren't Gulen's actions kind of like Lenin's though? I believe Lenis fomented the Russian Revolution while he resided in Germany, safely out of the grasp of the Tsar. I am highly suspicious of Gulen due to his past history in Turkey. I would not be surprised if he was actively involved. Like I said, it would be interesting to see the documentation. If the evidence was overwhelming, Turkey would have released it to the world. That has not happened. For me it is a coin flip. I don't trust the accuser and I don't trust the accused.
There was a coup attempt and Gulenists were involved in it, that is something that I have a high degree of confidence in. The rest is just speculation to me at this point. That being said, if the evidence just provided to the American government shows that Gulen was directly involved, he should and will be extradited.
PS. Turkey spent the last month or so smearing the United States to it's own population. That is reprehensible given that only this week did they make their formal request for extradition backed up with documentation. They used us as a foil for political gain. That is simply indefensible on any level.
Aren't Gulen's actions kind of like Lenin's though? I believe Lenis fomented the Russian Revolution while he resided in Germany, safely out of the grasp of the Tsar. I am highly suspicious of Gulen due to his past history in Turkey. I would not be surprised if he was actively involved. Like I said, it would be interesting to see the documentation. If the evidence was overwhelming, Turkey would have released it to the world. That has not happened. For me it is a coin flip. I don't trust the accuser and I don't trust the accused.
There was a coup attempt and Gulenists were involved in it, that is something that I have a high degree of confidence in. The rest is just speculation to me at this point. That being said, if the evidence just provided to the American government shows that Gulen was directly involved, he should and will be extradited.
PS. Turkey spent the last month or so smearing the United States to it's own population. That is reprehensible given that only this week did they make their formal request for extradition backed up with documentation. They used us as a foil for political gain. That is simply indefensible on any level.
At this point I don't believe there was any real coup attempt, just a false flag operation where a lot of junior officers and enlisted are thrown to the dogs to provide an excuse to purge Turkish society of secular and tolerant observant Muslims. Consider this: Erdogan has charged a third of all Turkish military generals and admirals as part of the coup, yet it lasted about three hours and Erdogan was free to fly about the city the whole time. Erdogan is also purging the entirety of Turkish society of secular and tolerant Muslims - literally tens of thousands of them. Can they all be plotters? No way that passes the smell test.
I hope Obama has the balls to get us the hell out of Turkey and cut off relations.
Oh, I'm sure there are a few million. Erdogan is removing those in government, media, and education - a classic dictatorial purge. As long as they can have no societal influence, they can safely be left to be dealt with later.God that can't be true. I simply can't believe in a country of millions that there are only 10's of thousands of secular and tolerant Muslims.