Possible coup in Turkey

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MongGrel

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Not in the expense of others, otherwise you become ISIS yourself.

Western civilization should protect its way of life and its values, but not try to impose them on others.

Globalization in general is a large factor, countries are not as isolated as they once were.

I hate to sound passe and just call it growing pains on a Global level, but it probably is a factor to a degree.
 
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bshole

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Not in the expense of others, otherwise you become ISIS yourself.

Western civilization should protect its way of life and its values, but not try to impose them on others.

What do you mean by impose? When they demand sharia law, give it to them? There are plenty of places in Europe that are no go zones and effectively under Sharia law. You may not know this. That was unthinkable as little as 20 years ago. If I am understanding you correctly, the Western world should submit to Sharia law and not attempt in anyway to remain secular. Correct me if I misunderstood your quote.

If you have the courage, go to youtube and do a search for sharia law europe or muslim attacks europe, etc.... You will not find tens of videos documenting real life occurrences of this, YOU WILL FIND HUNDREDS of disturbing events which did not occur as little as two decades ago. You will hear from the refugees own mouths how they intend to take over Europe.
 

LegendKiller

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What do you mean by impose? When they demand sharia law, give it to them? There are plenty of places in Europe that are no go zones and effectively under Sharia law. You may not know this. That was unthinkable as little as 20 years ago. If I am understanding you correctly, the Western world should submit to Sharia law and not attempt in anyway to remain secular. Correct me if I misunderstood your quote.

If you have the courage, go to youtube and do a search for sharia law europe or muslim attacks europe, etc.... You will not find tens of videos documenting real life occurrences of this, YOU WILL FIND HUNDREDS of disturbing events which did not occur as little as two decades ago. You will hear from the refugees own mouths how they intend to take over Europe.
Meanwhile Hollande blames it all on populism.

Sometimes you really have to wonder if these people are even real people.
 
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SNJ

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False flag operation perpetrated by Erdogan to grab max executive power and make extreme changes to the constitution.

He's retard if he thinks others don't see through this. The only question is, will the Turks do?
 
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MongGrel

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False flag operation perpetrated by Erdogan to grab max executive power and make extreme changes to the constitution.

He's retard if he thinks others don't see through this. The only question is, will the Turks do?

He's basically puling pages straight out of the Putin playbook from years ago.

It's pretty obvious.

I think Dubya actually was envious of Putin that he could get away with it, to be honest.
 

AtenRa

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What do you mean by impose? When they demand sharia law, give it to them? There are plenty of places in Europe that are no go zones and effectively under Sharia law. You may not know this. That was unthinkable as little as 20 years ago. If I am understanding you correctly, the Western world should submit to Sharia law and not attempt in anyway to remain secular. Correct me if I misunderstood your quote.

If you have the courage, go to youtube and do a search for sharia law europe or muslim attacks europe, etc.... You will not find tens of videos documenting real life occurrences of this, YOU WILL FIND HUNDREDS of disturbing events which did not occur as little as two decades ago. You will hear from the refugees own mouths how they intend to take over Europe.

Not what im saying,

Im simple saying that we westerners should protect our western way of life and our western values but we shouldnt impose them to others outside of our territories.
Trying to impose western democracy, western civil rights, western values and western law etc etc for example to Afghanistan/Iraq or any other Middle East/Asia countries is wrong. Let them have their own way of life and values in their countries.

But also, no tolerance on ideas, values and actions that are in direct violation of our way of life and values within our countries.

Democracy lets everyone speak their mind, but you also have to respect the Democratic rules. Democracy is freedom but you also have to respect its rules if you want to be free.
So, as westerners living in Democratic societies we dont impose to others not only inside our countries but also outside of our countries. Democracy is freedom but you also have to protect Democracy and its values in order to be free.

It is a direct violation of Democratic values and rules encourage/urge Muslim immigrants to have babies with Europeans in order to conquer their countries. Any one in violation of the Democratic values and rules should be immediately expel from EU and never be allowed to return. We have open borders but we also protect our borders.
 

bshole

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Not what im saying,

Im simple saying that we westerners should protect our western way of life and our western values but we shouldnt impose them to others outside of our territories.
Trying to impose western democracy, western civil rights, western values and western law etc etc for example to Afghanistan/Iraq or any other Middle East/Asia countries is wrong. Let them have their own way of life and values in their countries.

But also, no tolerance on ideas, values and actions that are in direct violation of our way of life and values within our countries.

Democracy lets everyone speak their mind, but you also have to respect the Democratic rules. Democracy is freedom but you also have to respect its rules if you want to be free.
So, as westerners living in Democratic societies we dont impose to others not only inside our countries but also outside of our countries. Democracy is freedom but you also have to protect Democracy and its values in order to be free.

It is a direct violation of Democratic values and rules encourage/urge Muslim immigrants to have babies with Europeans in order to conquer their countries. Any one in violation of the Democratic values and rules should be immediately expel from EU and never be allowed to return. We have open borders but we also protect our borders.

I think we are pretty much in agreement then. Very good post. Thank you for that.
 

Orignal Earl

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What do you mean by impose? When they demand sharia law, give it to them? There are plenty of places in Europe that are no go zones and effectively under Sharia law. You may not know this. That was unthinkable as little as 20 years ago. If I am understanding you correctly, the Western world should submit to Sharia law and not attempt in anyway to remain secular. Correct me if I misunderstood your quote.

If you have the courage, go to youtube and do a search for sharia law europe or muslim attacks europe, etc.... You will not find tens of videos documenting real life occurrences of this, YOU WILL FIND HUNDREDS of disturbing events which did not occur as little as two decades ago. You will hear from the refugees own mouths how they intend to take over Europe.


It's always so sad to me to see the effects of having no freedom of the press in the US
People turning to YouTube to get their "news"
Most of these no go zones stories all revolve around those 4 guys who decide they were sharia police and got arrested for yelling at people for drinking
Something that would be legal in the US
 

MongGrel

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It's always so sad to me to see the effects of having no freedom of the press in the US
People turning to YouTube to get their "news"
Most of these no go zones stories all revolve around those 4 guys who decide they were sharia police and got arrested for yelling at people for drinking
Something that would be legal in the US

When was freedom of the press abolished in the US ?

That's news to me. :hmm:
 
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cliftonite

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Obama's brilliant global strategy. He loves the Muslim brotherhood. He loves edrogan. He loves Iran. He hates israel.

This whole thing was a setup. Dismissing thousands of judges and prosecutors? Him "escaping" and suddenly showing up again hours later?

What is Obama supposed to do with Edrogan?
 

Orignal Earl

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When was freedom of the press abolished in the US ?

That's news to me. :hmm:

That's because it hasn't been abolished
You just have very little of it left, you're way down the freedom of press index with some third world countries
 

agent00f

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When was freedom of the press abolished in the US ?

That's news to me. :hmm:

I think what he's referring to is the virtual monopoly of the same few chans over the news cycle. Like if one picks up an unreliable narrative, the others are compelled to provide coverage and make that narrative part of the accepted milieu.

I hear muslims are the devil is a popular story now.
 

MongGrel

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That's because it hasn't been abolished
You just have very little of it left, you're way down the freedom of press index with some third world countries

There is a lot of sites that are freely accessible out there, even if you do not want to follow the mainstream news services just inside the US.

It's not hard to do, and I imagine a lot of people all ready do so.

There are no restrictions in that way I'm aware of.

I even hit the Libertarian spots now and then.

http://reason.com/
 
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Orignal Earl

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There is a lot of sites that are freely accessible out there, even if you do not want to follow the mainstream news services just inside the US.

It's not hard to do, and I imagine a lot of people all ready do so.

There are no restrictions in that way I'm aware of.

I even hit the Libertarian spots now and then.

http://reason.com/

I think it has a lot to do with legally allowing your news to lie
You can't trust anything then
 

agent00f

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I think it has a lot to do with legally allowing your news to lie
You can't trust anything then

In fairness it's not necessarily lies per se, just selective framing of reality.

For example, if a western country goes and kills several hundred thousand muslims it's a legitimate military action, but if muslims kill a few dozen westerners it's the fall of civilization at the hands of barbarians.
 

justoh

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The soldiers involved aren't necessarily "pro-coup," as described by a few posters here. Most were probably just woken up at midnight in their barracks and told to go "secure the bridges," or something, not really knowing what was going on. Few seemed involved in any of the aggression, against the police or other govt, and the violent interactions with civilians was inevitable when they were all called by the mosques and erdogan himself to confront the military.
 
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