Possible GOP VP candidate calls for religious test in US. Fail, get deported

[Atreus21]

How are you going to conclusively prove somebody is actually Muslim or not?

Ask them their religion during immigration procedures.

 

[thraashman]

Sharia law seems to be pretty much incompatible with US law, though I could be confused.

Like any religious law there are many aspects. Things that fall under sharia law could include the dietary restrictions or certain interpersonal interactions. Like I believe it's against sharia law to charge interest on a loan, so a Muslim choosing to loan money to another Muslim could choose to adhere to sharia that way.

I find it funny that for all the anti sharia fear mongering the GOP spits out, their party platform was basically written as their own little Christian version of sharia.

 

[K1052]

Ask them their religion during immigration procedures.

I feel safer already.

 

[mizzou]

Well now I see why he wasn't VP pick. Newt is gunna Newt.

 

[Mursilis]

I find it funny that for all the anti sharia fear mongering the GOP spits out, their party platform was basically written as their own little Christian version of sharia.

Which aspects of the platform are you referring to?

 

[Subyman]

Which aspects of the platform are you referring to?

Abortion and gay marriage are pretty obvious.

 

[thraashman]

Abortion and gay marriage are pretty obvious.

Don't forget the anti-porn and the pro gay conversion therapy parts!

 

[Mursilis]

Abortion and gay marriage are pretty obvious.

Yes, anti-gay marriage arguments (at least all the ones I've read) all seem to be religious in nature (with the exception maybe of some weak sociological "it will destroy the family!" arguments which I think no reasonable person accepts). As for abortion, there are non-religious reasons to oppose abortion, so I disagree there.

Don't forget the anti-porn and the pro gay conversion therapy parts!

Some ardent feminists (Catherine MacKinnon and Andrea Dworkin immediately come to mind, but I think there are others) are anti-porn for non-religious reasons, so that one doesn't count for me. As for "pro-gay conversion therapy", is that really in the official GOP platform? I know some GOP candidates support, but that's not the same thing.

 

[thraashman]

Yes, anti-gay marriage arguments (at least all the ones I've read) all seem to be religious in nature (with the exception maybe of some weak sociological "it will destroy the family!" arguments which I think no reasonable person accepts). As for abortion, there are non-religious reasons to oppose abortion, so I disagree there.



Some ardent feminists (Catherine MacKinnon and Andrea Dworkin immediately come to mind, but I think there are others) are anti-porn for non-religious reasons, so that one doesn't count for me. As for "pro-gay conversion therapy", is that really in the official GOP platform? I know some GOP candidates support, but that's not the same thing.

Because something can also be done for non religious reasons doesn't change that the GOP platform is clearly doing it for reasons relating to their version of Christianity. The platform also supports teaching the Bible in public schools.

The wording about conversion therapy is "We support the right of parents to determine the proper treatment or therapy, for their minor children" and was added by Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council, a group that explicitly exists to combat LGBT rights. So it's pretty obvious what the intent in the wording is.

 

[Spungo]

Ask them their religion during immigration procedures.

"My name is Muhammad Al Samari'qandi. I am Christian."

His story checks out. Let him in, boys!

 

[Subyman]

Yes, anti-gay marriage arguments (at least all the ones I've read) all seem to be religious in nature (with the exception maybe of some weak sociological "it will destroy the family!" arguments which I think no reasonable person accepts). As for abortion, there are non-religious reasons to oppose abortion, so I disagree there.

The platform on abortion is practically built on religious objections. They even get deep into the arguments of conception and souls. The overwhelming force pushing prolife is religious based. If the religious aspect suddenly dropped away then it would be a non issue in politics.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Yes, anti-gay marriage arguments (at least all the ones I've read) all seem to be religious in nature (with the exception maybe of some weak sociological "it will destroy the family!" arguments which I think no reasonable person accepts). As for abortion, there are non-religious reasons to oppose abortion, so I disagree there.



Some ardent feminists (Catherine MacKinnon and Andrea Dworkin immediately come to mind, but I think there are others) are anti-porn for non-religious reasons, so that one doesn't count for me. As for "pro-gay conversion therapy", is that really in the official GOP platform? I know some GOP candidates support, but that's not the same thing.

Just dropping this load

The Republican Party is reportedly moving to declare internet pornography a "public health crisis" under an amendment that was added to its platform draft at preliminary meetings this week in Cleveland. The party's national convention is next week.

But what exactly qualifies as a "public health crisis," and does viewing porn fit that criteria?

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/15/health/porn-public-health-crisis/index.html

 

[Mursilis]

The platform on abortion is practically built on religious objections. They even get deep into the arguments of conception and souls. The overwhelming force pushing prolife is religious based. If the religious aspect suddenly dropped away then it would be a non issue in politics.

Doing the right thing for the wrong reasons is still doing the right thing regardless. A lot of the anti-slavery advocates were also religious and opposing slavery on religious grounds, but as long as there's a secular/humanist basis I find agreeable, I don't have a problem with the motives of others, including those in the GOP.

As more of a libertarian, I find both parties are guilty of trying to impose their personal moralities on the private lives of others. Have the Dems fully renounced the war on drugs within their platform yet? What about sex work? And why is gov't even in the charity business so much these days? Shouldn't I get to decide if I want to give to the poor?

 

[K1052]

As more of a libertarian, I find both parties are guilty of trying to impose their personal moralities on the private lives of others. Have the Dems fully renounced the war on drugs within their platform yet? What about sex work? And why is gov't even in the charity business so much these days? Shouldn't I get to decide if I want to give to the poor?

So you think the GOP is more likely than the Democrats to renounce the war on drugs and legalize sex work based on the trajectory of their platform?

The Dems did include statements about allowing states to legalize MJ and focusing on drug treatment rather than incarceration. While not nearly as far as I'd like to see them go it's definitely more attractive than the alternative.

 

[dank69]

Doing the right thing for the wrong reasons is still doing the right thing regardless. A lot of the anti-slavery advocates were also religious and opposing slavery on religious grounds, but as long as there's a secular/humanist basis I find agreeable, I don't have a problem with the motives of others, including those in the GOP.

As more of a libertarian, I find both parties are guilty of trying to impose their personal moralities on the private lives of others. Have the Dems fully renounced the war on drugs within their platform yet? What about sex work? And why is gov't even in the charity business so much these days? Shouldn't I get to decide if I want to give to the poor?

If you are determined to show that the Democrats are pushing platforms tied to religious values in the same way the GOP is you are going to get owned. Hard.

 

[obidamnkenobi]

Newt Gingrich a finalist for VPOTUS candidate wants to issue a Sharia test to every American Muslim. If they fail the test meaning belief in Sharia law they are deported.

Not that far off from Trump's Muslim ban. Can't wait to see how this test is given.

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/07/new...st-on-every-person-here-of-muslim-background/

What does it mean to "believe" in sharia law? If one believe it's a set of rules one wants to follow in one's own life is that reason for deportation?

But if it was say, 10 rules someone tried to impose on others, some of which are unconstitutional, that I would think is a problem

 

[Orignal Earl]

Haven't you gotten the memo yet? No Muslim can be an American, pure and simple. Islam is incompatible with the West.

Executing citizens, torture, renditions, race wars, violence off the charts, Trump... the US is barely compatible with the West

 

[1prophet]

Thanks to the 1st amendment the government will never be able to enforce it. Of course the 1st also means you may live by sharia law as you see fit as long as you don't violate any US laws.

The problem with religious laws like Sharia is that it is never enough just for the individual but must be forced upon everyone else.

I thought the so called liberal types learned that from their constant legal battles with the religious right,

so why would anyone want to bring in by the tens if not hundreds of the thousands of the middle east flavor of the religious right?

 

[dank69]

The problem with religious laws like Sharia is that it is never enough just for the individual but must be forced upon everyone else.

I thought the so called liberal types learned that from their constant legal battles with the religious right,

so why would anyone want to bring in by the tens if not hundreds of the thousands of the middle east flavor of the religious right?

Because we realize that people are people, that you can't just assume they adhere to some stereotype, and that even if they do, people on the religious right should still be able to pursue happiness.

 

[jman19]

Abortion and gay marriage are pretty obvious.

The platform is embarrassingly out of touch with reality. Yes these are the pressing issues of the day :sneaky:

 

[compuwiz1]

Has anyone told Trump the President has asked for a vote on ISIS severs times?

Severs times?

I now know what's on your mind. Your head staying attached to your body.

 

[dawp]

Ask them their religion during immigration procedures.

there's this little thing called the US constitution that would get in the way.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

 

[nickqt]

Hooray for Newt and his call for deporting US citizens based on thought crimes.

#Trump 2016: Because Hillary is just too dangerous.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Severs times?

I now know what's on your mind. Your head staying attached to your body.

Haha good one, stupid phone

"several times"

 

[brycejones]

Ask them their religion during immigration procedures.

LOL, just LOL