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Ichinisan

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Why two months? I'm too lazy to read the whole thread

Adlep acknowledged that, if eCat technology hadn't come to fruition and changed the world by a certain time, he'd admit it was bullshit and that he had been duped.

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...if I recall correctly.
 
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Ruptga

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You do, DrPizza threw down the gauntlet early this year and it has just been a matter of time since.

At least I thought so, I can't find the original post.
 
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Greenman

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Is there any estimate of how much the investors have been scammed out of? And is it possible that the "inventor" will be charged with fraud?
 

DrPizza

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Is there any estimate of how much the investors have been scammed out of? And is it possible that the "inventor" will be charged with fraud?
He's been convicted of fraud before...

And, the venture capitalist should be thrown to the lions for his horrible financial decision - a blunder of this magnitude demonstrates that maybe, just maybe some other people would be a lot better at picking new technologies to fund.
 

natto fire

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It's too bad that OP is not a Mayne level troll, but even if I saw him post in the tech forums, I would immediately discount the post on this thread alone. I literally feel bad for how much faith is put into an obvious scam.

I would be joyed to be alive in the time that such an energy generation breakthrough occurs, but am not holding my breath.
 

Paratus

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It's too bad that OP is not a Mayne level troll, but even if I saw him post in the tech forums, I would immediately discount the post on this thread alone. I literally feel bad for how much faith is put into an obvious scam.

I would be joyed to be alive in the time that such an energy generation breakthrough occurs, but am not holding my breath.

The thing is we have the energy breakthroughs we actually need. Cheap and getting cheaper distributed solar power and nuclear reactors. Specifically breeder reactors designed to burn current waste.
 

natto fire

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The thing is we have the energy breakthroughs we actually need. Cheap and getting cheaper distributed solar power and nuclear reactors. Specifically breeder reactors designed to burn current waste.

I am more excited about battery technologies, myself, but I agree that it is sad that the masses are too stupid to understand incremental increases have their place, and that nuclear tech is much more safe than a coal plant of the same output.
 

Greenman

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I am more excited about battery technologies, myself, but I agree that it is sad that the masses are too stupid to understand incremental increases have their place, and that nuclear tech is much more safe than a coal plant of the same output.

The issue seems to be that a growing segment of the population doesn't want any energy generation at all. Nothing that produces any radiation is going to fly. Coal and oil are out because of CO2, windmills kill birds, dams have to be taken down to restore the natural balance. Solar is all that's left, and I'll bet you a dollar that there will soon be an anti solar movement.
 

Paratus

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I am more excited about battery technologies, myself, but I agree that it is sad that the masses are too stupid to understand incremental increases have their place, and that nuclear tech is much more safe than a coal plant of the same output.

We need about an order of magnitude increase in battery energy density. That would be something to be excited about. Although even if we can't get batteries much better than what we have it would be possible to use electrical power to create carbon neutral hydrocarbon fuel by pulling the CO2 out of the air and combining it with water. It would require a shit ton of power but I believe the navy is researching it to provide jet fuel with out the need for resupply.

The issue seems to be that a growing segment of the population doesn't want any energy generation at all. Nothing that produces any radiation is going to fly. Coal and oil are out because of CO2, windmills kill birds, dams have to be taken down to restore the natural balance. Solar is all that's left, and I'll bet you a dollar that there will soon be an anti solar movement.

Well I lump them in with anti-vaxxers and climate change deniers. We need to stop letting idiots guide policy.
 

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We need about an order of magnitude increase in battery energy density. That would be something to be excited about. Although even if we can't get batteries much better than what we have it would be possible to use electrical power to create carbon neutral hydrocarbon fuel by pulling the CO2 out of the air and combining it with water. It would require a shit ton of power but I believe the navy is researching it to provide jet fuel with out the need for resupply.



Well I lump them in with anti-vaxxers and climate change deniers. We need to stop letting idiots guide policy.
I remember the story about the Navy. Back then, it left me puzzled, because they said they were turning sea water into CO2 and Hydrogen. I don't know where the carbon is coming from - you're probably right - from the air. But, it seems like it would take a tremendous volume of air.


I presume that it's simply a matter of a writer not checking his facts - maybe sea water + CO2 into fuel? (Plus a massive amount of energy needed... before someone gets the idea that the oceans are free energy.)
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/10/game-changer-us-navy-can-now-turn-seawater-jet-fue/

edit: CO2 dissolved in sea water. Better source: http://www.nrl.navy.mil/media/news-releases/2012/fueling-the-fleet-navy-looks-to-the-seas
 

PowerEngineer

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Lets up the ante:

I am willing to bet with each of you $100.00 paid via pp that this technology is real and it will get validated and accepted this year. I am guessing that we will start to hear mainstream media stories about this very soon. Who is in?
Lets exchange heat afterwards...

adlep, welcome to 2015!

No validation or acceptance of E-CAT "technology" in 2014. No mainstream media stories either. Thankfully, I don't think any of us wanted to take advantage of your overoptimistic expectations.



You've been doggedly predicting for more than three years that proof of Rossi's "technology" was "right around the corner", but no convincing proof has ever been presented. It's past time to reassess your blind faith in Rossi and his E-CAT (and time to lock this thread).

Rather than "exchange heat", let's exchange best wishes for the new year.
 
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Ruptga

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Rather than "exchange heat", let's exchange best wishes for the new year.

That's awfully sporting of you. I say we take turns mocking his ignominious failure and the childhood head injury that no doubt made that failure possible. We may also want to question his parentage at some point, but perhaps we will simply settle for reposting this link over and over again.

We may also want to take bets on when he will next latch onto a highly implausible discovery or hypothesis, since people like himself and Rapture predictors simply can't help themselves.
 

DrPizza

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That's awfully sporting of you. I say we take turns mocking his ignominious failure and the childhood head injury that no doubt made that failure possible. We may also want to question his parentage at some point, but perhaps we will simply settle for reposting this link over and over again.

We may also want to take bets on when he will next latch onto a highly implausible discovery or hypothesis, since people like himself and Rapture predictors simply can't help themselves.
Meh, outside this thread, he's a pretty decent poster. And in this thread, he's been quite civil, despite what's being tossed at him. I suppose that in a way, it's like religion - once you're convinced of the validity of something, it's incredibly difficult to overcome that. Happy New Year, Adlep.

Uh oh... maybe that venture capitalist realized he wasted a ton of investor money, and maybe it was Adlep who convinced him to do so. Could the investor be connected to organized crime?! Is Adlep buried under the floor of some large concrete building??
 

sdifox

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adlep hasn't logged on since 28th. Maybe he ia busy building his own e-cat :awe:
 

Thebobo

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you guys are relentless. I would love to see something like this to come true so deep down I give it a 1 percent chance. If someone did discover a cheap easy power source they would be silenced/murdered. :\
 

Greenman

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The poor guy got taken in, hook line and sinker.
You'd think after 700 posts of everyone on earth saying "no", he'd spit out the hook.
 
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He should start reading about blue energy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osmotic_power
Osmotic power or salinity gradient power is the energy available from the difference in the salt concentration between seawater and river water. Two practical methods for this are reverse electrodialysis (RED) and pressure retarded osmosis (PRO). Both processes rely on osmosis with ion specific membranes. The key waste product is brackish water. This byproduct is the result of natural forces that are being harnessed: the flow of fresh water into seas that are made up of salt water.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pressure-retarded_osmosis

Pressure retarded osmosis (PRO) is the salinity gradient energy retrieved from the difference in the salt concentration between seawater and river water. In PRO, the water potential between fresh water and sea water corresponds to a pressure of 26 bars. This pressure is equivalent to a column of water (hydraulic head) 270 meters high. [1] However, the optimal working pressure is only half of this, 11 to 15 bar.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reversed_electrodialysis
Reversed electrodialysis (RED) is the salinity gradient energy retrieved from the difference in the salt concentration between seawater and river water.[1] A method of utilizing the energy produced by this process by means of a heat engine was invented by Prof. Sidney Loeb in 1977 at the Ben-Gurion University of the Negev. --United States Patent US4171409

In reversed electrodialysis a salt solution and fresh water are let through a stack of alternating cathode and anode exchange membranes. The chemical potential difference between salt and fresh water generates a voltage over each membrane and the total potential of the system is the sum of the potential differences over all membranes. It is important to remember that the process works through difference in ion concentration instead of an electric field, which has implications for the type of membrane needed.[2]

In RED, as in a fuel cell, the cells are stacked. A module with a capacity of 250 kW has the size of a shipping container.

In the Netherlands, for example, more than 3,300 m³ fresh water runs into the sea per second on average. The membrane halves the pressure differences which results in a water column of approximately 135 meters. The energy potential is therefore e=mgΔh=3.3*106 kg/s*10 m/s2*135 meters ca.= 4.5*109 Joule per second, Power=4.5 gigawatts.
 

Paratus

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Some new information on the search for cold fusion end E-cat

http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2015-01/30/cold-fusion-energy-advances-2015/viewall

Take is as you will.

Fine

If the russian guy who copied the Rossi device has made his design freely available then it shouldn't take long for a reputable and thorough test to be peformed.

Then I'd expect to see either a firm debunking or a working hypothesis on what the hell it's doing.

The fact that everyone who gets this "working" doesn't seem to want to release what isotopes the nickel has supposedly changed into makes me think it still a scam.
 

CZroe

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It really is a scam to tank the Russian economy, just like the current low gas prices. It's working!
 
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