Possibly the most important science breakthrough happened today (not really)

[wirednuts]

nice page explaining this -

http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011...aordinary-scams-require-extraordinary-claims/

but the real reaction formula is on that page! this is how to do it!

Ni (58.7) + 5H = 63.7 – Cu (63.5) = 0.2 mass lost, generating a huge amount of heat, which then can be used to make electricity.

 

[SlitheryDee]

I'll believe it when my car runs on it.

 

[Bignate603]

Isn't the OP the same guy that believed that a quack doctor cured cancer but the US government was trying to steal it?

 

[911paramedic]

And I certainly have very low confidence in the one and only paper that Rossi published with his associate Sergio Focardi. They self-published their paper on Rossi’s blog,

I never thought about it but I can say that I'm a published writer with a straight face...almost. :hmm:

"Sure, I'm published." (On my BLOG!)

 

[dmcowen674]

In fact, the electrical utilities (both investor-owned and government-owned) are very tightly regulated and the rates they charge their customers are set for them based on their costs of production/delivery.

Dude, you lost it right there.

The electrical scam Industry has been de-regulated for over 20 years now.

They have managed to push through in most states now automatic rate increases not based on costs of production and delivery.

Stop lying

What Energy Corporation do you work for and represent?

 

[Matthiasa]

I know in the state I am in any rate increase needs to be justified to the state...
Which means that costs to the consumers are only allowed to be a certian percent above operating costs. Due to the nature of building the system almost everything needs to be justified to where its being built.
After justifying it they basically pray that everyone or thing withing the projected paths sells else costs rise. That cost is then allowed to passed on. If the costs don't rise they most likely won't be able to raise rates above that la ready projected amounts.

 

[William Gaatjes]

Please note that deciding to capitalize a couple of random words, such as "Energy Corporations", doesn't automatically conjore into existence some sort of evil Spector-like world dominating organization to fit into your odd world view.

In fact, the electrical utilities (both investor-owned and government-owned) are very tightly regulated and the rates they charge their customers are set for them based on their costs of production/delivery. The notion that utilities might somehow conspire to suppress low-cost production break-throughs is laughable, as is the suggestion that utilities might make huge windfall profits by deploying lower-cost generation.

You should look someplace other than regulated industries for your greedy, technology suppressing villans.

Maybe Apple?

The way that you quote people makes me believe you are a politician.
The bold part is the same what i have written. See post 32 & 41.

 

[William Gaatjes]

Dude, you lost it right there.

The electrical scam Industry has been de-regulated for over 20 years now.

They have managed to push through in most states now automatic rate increases not based on costs of production and delivery.

Stop lying

What Energy Corporation do you work for and represent?

There also exist energy companies outside the US...

 

[Lonyo]

There also exist energy companies outside the US...

And in at least some countries they set their own rates.
In the UK there are "problems" with electricity rates and the government is considering looking into it, but that doesn't mean much. It also shows that they don't set the prices.

 

[William Gaatjes]

nice page explaining this -

http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011...aordinary-scams-require-extraordinary-claims/

but the real reaction formula is on that page! this is how to do it!

Rossi is interviewed as if his project is already proven.
That makes me doubt even more then 100% skepticism i already have.

 

[Harrod]

I hope that it works out, but I would imagine that even if it did, certain industries would cry about it causing the loss of jobs.

 

[TakeNoPrisoners]

This is crap, move along nothing to see here.

 

[irishScott]

No they are not starved for power, they get it for free.

They get free electric because me and the rest in our area are giving Google free electric to build their data center there in Pryor so my electric rates quadrupled to give Google the free electric.

Meanwhile, the 99% pay $5/gallon for gas right? Occupy teh Google!

 

[runzwithsizorz]

Perhaps I am thread jacking, but I feel compelled to at least give some, "hope". http://www.dump.com/2011/10/24/freeing-energy-from-the-grid-video/

 

[adlep]

Isn't the OP the same guy that believed that a quack doctor cured cancer but the US government was trying to steal it?

Yes,
That's me. But I am reporting stuff that I find interesting. That is the whole point of the "Off Topic" forums. Rather than discussing tits and stupid pictures we can discuss other stupid topics for a while like this one.
So yes, I am a bit naive in terms to what I am posting in here, but on the other hand, I am not calling anyone, I am not being offensive, so who cares? Whats the point of taking it personal?
We should not be discussing me and my posting history, I am not Mr. Rossi and I have nothing to do with his "device".

I've also posted the link to more scientifically grounded presentation about Thorium/Molten Salt based fission reactors but no one gives crap to comment on that technology...
http://thoriumremix.com/2011/

 

[ussfletcher]

Perhaps I am thread jacking, but I feel compelled to at least give some, "hope". http://www.dump.com/2011/10/24/freeing-energy-from-the-grid-video/

Hmm, those things he was showing off are certainly neat, if they work as advertised.

 

[William Gaatjes]

Perhaps I am thread jacking, but I feel compelled to at least give some, "hope". http://www.dump.com/2011/10/24/freeing-energy-from-the-grid-video/

I am too against a global grid. The losses are to great. Local small power plants are much more handy. And because of the numbers, free redundancy. Redundancy is key.

 

[wirednuts]

Rossi is interviewed as if his project is already proven.
That makes me doubt even more then 100% skepticism i already have.

yeah whatever he is doing isnt special. especially after this last test, if he really did prove anything it would be international breaking news.

 

[PowerEngineer]

Dude, you lost it right there.

The electrical scam Industry has been de-regulated for over 20 years now.

They have managed to push through in most states now automatic rate increases not based on costs of production and delivery.

Stop lying

What Energy Corporation do you work for and represent?

LOL! Yes, you've uncovered my secret! I, PowerEngineer, do in fact work in the electric utility business. Who else would have guessed that?

That fact helps explain why I actually know something about electric utility regulation. The electric utility business is very closely regulated at both the state and federal levels, and any "automatic" rate increases (by which I mean a rate increase not the result of a public process) is explicitly tied to power production costs (as defined in a previous rate case).

I suppose it's easier for you to make me a part of your "Energy Corportaion" conspiracy theory and call me a liar than to face facts.

 

[DrPizza]

interesting thought : why not start considering the ISPs the same way we consider electricity providers and natural gas providers?

 

[PowerEngineer]

The way that you quote people makes me believe you are a politician.
The bold part is the same what i have written. See post 32 & 41.

Hmmm... I'll try to take the politician remark as a compliment, but it's hard for me to take credit or blame for quoting what other people have posted. In fact, the words of yours that I quoted are actually your post 32.

A more careful reading of your post and the portion of my response (which you chose to make bold) will show that they are not "the same". You clearly suggest that utilities would earn huge profits by continuing to sell power at the same rates even if future production costs dropped due to new technology. I point out that utility rates are tied by regulatory agencies to the cost of power production, which means that lower costs due to new technology are passed on as lower rates to customers. (It is also true that higher production costs for renewable resources are passed on, which is okay as long as the customers want renewables.)

Perhaps you are implying that politicians are also careful readers?

 

[Rubycon]

interesting thought : why not start considering the ISPs the same way we consider electricity providers and natural gas providers?

It will eventually become that way. Pay a low monthly fee for the physical connection and then get billed for actual data use each way per kilobyte, etc.

Oh and anyone know what they are doing here?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-DndwK7wpQ

I have to warn you this guy uses a lot of colorful metaphors. Definitely NSFW!

 

[Jeff7]

interesting thought : why not start considering the ISPs the same way we consider electricity providers and natural gas providers?

I would expect to see a significant increase in the number of programs available to capture streaming video for viewing later on, as well as programs to queue downloads - as well as an increase in MPAA/RIAA-style lobbying to make it a felony to use such programs.
(These programs would of course be used to take advantage of lower off-peak-hours rates, assuming they would take that route.)

Either way, they'd likely set up their fee schedules so that 90% of their customer base would either see no change in the monthly cost, or else would get a small increase.

And some rhetorical questions:
What happens if your computer starts downloading updates or programs without consulting you?
Do I have to pay for downloads that are interrupted or corrupted due to the ISP's screwup?
Do you have to pay for updates that are fixes for problems that another company caused? ("Oops, we just discovered 87 bugs in this program you bought from us. You must pay your ISP for 850MB of patches to fix our defective product.")
What if a new worm or virus evades your up-to-date antivirus software, and starts uploading and downloading garbage data to and from other infected computers, or just from some central server set up by the malware's writer?

 

[PowerEngineer]

interesting thought : why not start considering the ISPs the same way we consider electricity providers and natural gas providers?

There are some industries that by their very nature tend toward being monopolies. Gas and electricity providers are among these because their distribution networks are expensive to build and would be wasteful and disruptive to duplicate (who wants multiple sets of overhead wires crisscrossing neighborhoods?). So a government ends up awarding a franchise to a single utility to serve all customers in a particular area, but maintains control over the rates that the utility can charge (i.e. operating costs plus a reasonable rate of return on investments). Or the government decides to provide the service itself (e.g. most water utilities and many electric utility districts).

In this light, your question becomes whether or not access to the internet tends toward being a natural monopoly. I'm thinking that an argument could be made that the cable/fiber networks connecting individual residences are enough like the neighborhood power/gas lines that they could be a regulated part of the larger telecommunications business. I'm less certain that the service providers (e.g. telephone, internet, video) who deliver over that cable/fiber network need the same sort of regulation -- provided that all service providers have fair access to deliver products over that network. (I know there are technological challenges, but I have never understood why cable companies are allowed to block others from delivering content over a cable network installed on public right-of-ways.)

My two cents...

 

[Rubycon]

And some rhetorical questions:
What happens if your computer starts downloading updates or programs without consulting you?
Do I have to pay for downloads that are interrupted or corrupted due to the ISP's screwup?
Do you have to pay for updates that are fixes for problems that another company caused? ("Oops, we just discovered 87 bugs in this program you bought from us. You must pay your ISP for 850MB of patches to fix our defective product.")
What if a new worm or virus evades your up-to-date antivirus software, and starts uploading and downloading garbage data to and from other infected computers, or just from some central server set up by the malware's writer?

I'm pretty sure if a pipe develops a leak and you get a thousand dollar water bill you have to pay for it.

The power company assures you have 50 or 60Hz power. Let the ISP also guarantee that your data is clean. Rogue programs should always be zapped long before they reach 192.168.1.x.