Possibly the most important science breakthrough happened today (not really)

[sdifox]

There is something that makes me wonder.
I do not know how thick that lead coating is, but for heat to be generated, you need a sufficient amount of gamma rays with enough energy. And for lead to absorb enough of them, there needs to be a thick lead coating. Gamma rays are dangerous for a reason, they pass through almost anything when not high enough density and thickness. This all means a pretty potent nuclear reaction. That should have been noticed long ago by other more credible scientists.

Yeah dont bother trying to figure this out. It's fake through and through.

 

[zinfamous]

I would put lots and lots of weight in it. Then push it out to sea in the deepest part of an ocean.

 

[Jeff7]

That website looks like it only exists to support Rossi. I wouldn't put any weight in it.

Whois for quantumheat.org says: Creation date: 2012-08-15.

Younger than this thread.

Fixed that quote for accuracy. No wonder you're so persistent. You were scammed out of money.
If this were true, it would be picked up incredibly rapidly by mainstream science. Instead, they're looking at your recipe & chuckling.

It looks like it was only $25 though, nothing to get too worked up about.

(Though there are numerous anonymous donors on the list.)

 

[LevelSea]

I donated 174,000 bucks

 

[sdifox]

Adlep I still can't find e-cats in wallymart.

 

[DrPizza]

If it would help, I could list every isotope of nickel, and any other elements related to this "recipe," and the half lives of each of those isotopes, etc. We could look at ghe various nuclear arrangements for these isoptopes with possible excited nuclei, and see exactly which frequencies of gamma rays are emitted during decays to more stable states. But, I don't think the OP would be persuaded. Nonetheless, OP, these facts are known to great precision, and you've got recipes that are well, a bit imprecise. If you announced that you found a recipe to make caesar salad, the only ingredients are water, baking soda, and cocoa powder, that would have a better chance of working out.

 

[sdifox]

Oh wait, it was supposed to be Hone Depot.

Adlep I couldn't find e-cat in Home Depot either.

 

[PowerEngineer]

There is something that makes me wonder.
I do not know how thick that lead coating is, but for heat to be generated, you need a sufficient amount of gamma rays with enough energy. And for lead to absorb enough of them, there needs to be a thick lead coating. Gamma rays are dangerous for a reason, they pass through almost anything when not high enough density and thickness. This all means a pretty potent nuclear reaction. That should have been noticed long ago by other more credible scientists.

Yes, that bit about gamma rays caught my attention too. Although absorption is dependent on gamma ray energy, it appears that a 1 cm thick lead sheet will absorb (and therefore capture the energy of) about 50% of the gamma rays that strike it. That suggests that you'd need a lead shield of 7 cm to capture over 99% of the gamma ray energy. A square meter of that will weigh in at around 1750 pounds.

 

[William Gaatjes]

Yes, that bit about gamma rays caught my attention too. Although absorption is dependent on gamma ray energy, it appears that a 1 cm thick lead sheet will absorb (and therefore capture the energy of) about 50% of the gamma rays that strike it. That suggests that you'd need a lead shield of 7 cm to capture over 99% of the gamma ray energy. A square meter of that will weigh in at around 1750 pounds.

That is exactly what me got to wonder, how thick is the lead coating in their setup and if it has such a weight (mass), it needs a lot of energy to warm up. But then again, they are working with conventional burners i think. If the lead shielding is not that thick, it is just IR radation emitted by the heating process they are doing. Also, there is no mention of how high the lead shielding is rising in temperature.

 

[sdifox]

I still don't understand how a convicted fraudster like Andrea Rossi can get into the states when anyone else with a record cannot easily.

http://freeenergyscams.com/andrea-rossi-e-cat-report-on-the-petrol-dragonomar-scam-part-1a/

 

[adlep]

Its me again;
Looks like that little known organization called American Physical Society has been coned by Rossi too since they're hosting an event dedicated to him:

http://meetings.aps.org/Meeting/GEC16/Session/MW6.27

"The results demonstrate excess heat during heating the powder mixture"...

Would that be an independent replication?

What are the implications? Why no one is helping Rossi? Why this isn't news?

http://www.springer.com/us/book/9783319437194#aboutAuthors
I think this will be presented/discussed:

http://www.e-catworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/ExcessHeatInLAH-Ni_Stepanov_English.pdf

 

[Ichinisan]

Adlep, you said you'd concede.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Why no one is helping Rossi? Why this isn't news?

Because everyone on earth is smarter than you and not taken in by obvious quackery. But thanks for resurrecting this thread, it's a great laugh.

 

[Brainonska511]

Looks like that little known organization called American Physical Society has been coned by Rossi too since they're hosting an event dedicated to him:

http://meetings.aps.org/Meeting/GEC16/Session/MW6.27

Hosting an event for him? As it's been stated time and time again, you're such a dupe.

From your own link:

"69th Annual Gaseous Electronics Conference"

That does not sound like an APS meeting "dedicated" to this scam. Not to discount posters at major conferences, but all they've got is a poster. It isn't a talk. It isn't a peer-reviewed article in a high quality journal.

 

[zinfamous]

this is embarrassing.

 

[adlep]

you are right,
it seems that they will be one of the presenters. Still independent of Rossi. Basically you'd have to call these researchers quacks too - since they are clearly replicating Rossi's work.

Hosting an event for him? As it's been stated time and time again, you're such a dupe.

From your own link:

"69th Annual Gaseous Electronics Conference"

That does not sound like an APS meeting "dedicated" to this scam. Not to discount posters at major conferences, but all they've got is a poster. It isn't a talk. It isn't a peer-reviewed article in a high quality journal.

 

[zinfamous]

you are right,
it seems that they will be one of the presenters. Still independent of Rossi. Basically you'd have to call these researchers quacks too - since they are clearly replicating Rossi's work.

They aren't presenting. They have a poster. Have you ever been to a conference? Presenting a poster means you send an abstract with minimum results and you may or may not get approved. You present your one poster in one of however many poster sessions occur throughout the conference depends on number of days). One session is usually ~3 hours in a conference room at the end of the day's talks where everyone walks around, mingles, gets drunk, and may or may not stop and chat with you about your poster.

It's where grad students and some investigators or post docs present the earliest portions of a project (they may never lead to a paper), which has maybe 3 or 4 figures at most.

And yes, they are quacks if they claim they have replicated it. Do you know if that is what they claimed? Have you seen this poster and its figures? Have you read the abstract that they submitted for the poster?

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

It seems like OP never considered the fact that there are actual scientists that do actual science and participate on this forum.

 

[PowerEngineer]

Come on Adlep!

You know that this so-called "paper" has been around for more than a year, and the authors' claims and explanations are regular fodder on believer websites, such as "E-Cat World".

The abstract is yet another repetition of the unverifiable claim for anomalous heat generation that litter this thread from beginning to end. This isn't something new; it is instead a sad confirmation that there has been absolutely no substantiation of the LENR "breakthrough" you posted here nearly five years ago.

And given your avatar, it makes me laugh when you dare us to call the authors "quacks".

 

[MongGrel]

"69th Annual Gaseous Electronics Conference"

I'm sorry but I couldn't pass this one up

Might have been done in the past but wasn't going back 32 pages.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Self Ownage of the Decade award nominee?

 

[sdifox]

Self Ownage of the Decade award nominee?

Lifetime achievement by now.

 

[Ruptga]

Lifetime achievement by now.

Yep, he earned lifetime achievement a few years ago, right after he went back on his word, iirc.

Yes, your epic thread started back on October 29, 2011 with the title of: "Possibly the most important science breakthrough happened today", which adds so much irony because of the complete lack of any independent verification of Rossi's E-Cat claims over these two years. And I am very disappointed that those home-sized E-Cats have yet to show up at Home Depot as promised.

I am sorry if anyone suggested that you weren't sane and/or a nice person. Part of my reason for repeatedly posting in your tread was that I believed you are reasonably sane and might "see the light of day" if I expressed my counterarguments effectively. Maybe I'll find the right words this year?

Listen, each story has a conclusion. Once this one plays out and the end result will lead to a fraud, I'll be the FIRST one to apologize and nail myself to a cross. I'll need 12 more months. How about that?

 

[GagHalfrunt]

I'm sorry but I couldn't pass this one up

Might have been done in the past but wasn't going back 32 pages.

Even if it was done it's perfectly fitting and it never gets old.

 

[Mr.IncrediblyBored]

This thread is always good for a laugh. I hope Adlep bumps it every year with some vague article that supports Rossi's scam with zero substantiating evidence. The e-cat is always 6 months away from commercial production.