Possibly the most important science breakthrough happened today (not really)

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Lifer
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I have an undergrad degree in computer science. But my background is irrelevant. How about your academic research or science background?

If I ever meet you IRL. I will projectile vomit on you for this thread. Vomit has chemical potential energy. I expect a thank you for the free energy I have expelled on you.
 

BUTCH1

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As chief engineer Montgomery Scott once famously said," Captain, you can't change the laws of physics!"......
 

styrafoam

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Is Coconut Audio involved in this in any way? It would be really neat if they were.
 

SphinxnihpS

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No, I'm genuinely curious. Where do they teach people that things come true if you only believe in them hard enough? The School of Kevin Trudeau?

Where don't they?

Self-delusion is the hallmark of humanity. Try almost any religion.

I think the new-age secular pseudo-science religions are fun. They should have you volunteering at your local baby drowning in a hurry.

Scientology
The Secret
What the Bleep Do We Know?
Thrive

Some of this stuff makes handing out leaflets at the airport seem reasonable.
 

DrPizza

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Here's another more likely explanation of the phenomenon:

http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/RossiECat/Andrea-Rossi-Energy-Catalyzer-Investigation-Index.shtml

The mods should lock this thread for your own good!

For anyone who didn't click the link, who thinks there's anything more than a 0.01% chance that the OP is correct, that link should take care of it.

Andrea Rossi is a convicted white-collar criminal with a string of failed energy ventures. (Report #5: Rossi's Profitable Career in Science) His most notorious endeavor was his effort between 1970 and 1990 to turn industrial waste into fuel. Rossi's company produced nothing but toxic waste and environmental damage to the land and groundwater in the Milan, Italy, area. (Rossi's Italian Financial and Environmental Criminal History)
In 2007, Rossi began trying to use and commercialize the low-energy nuclear research of Francesco Piantelli, a retired Italian biophysicist. Piantelli began his LENR research in 1989, when he observed something unusual taking place in one of his experiments. Initially, Piantelli didn't pay close attention to it. But after he saw the Martin Fleischmann and Stanley Pons "cold fusion" announcement, he looked more closely at his own work. Piantelli found that his device, too, was producing anomalous excess heat and nuclear effects. But Piantelli was working with nickel and hydrogen gas, a very different configuration from Fleischmann-Pons’. (Piantelli Group Documents)
Piantelli also knew that the idea of room-temperature fusion was highly unlikely. More significantly, he was working with a hydrogen system rather than a deuterium system; therefore, the idea of fusion was not even a consideration for him. (See 2008 and 2010 ACS presentations here Publications and Presentations)
For many years, Piantelli worked with his colleague Sergio Focardi in LENR research. Both men have legitimate academic credentials and scientific backgrounds. Together, they have a long history of credible LENR research, some of which published in peer-reviewed journals. The pair never got fully reproducible or practical results. (Overview of H-Ni Systems: Old Experiments and New Setup)
I met Piantelli and interviewed him in his private lab in 2007. Both he and Focardi were retired by then. I wrote two articles about their work the following year. Right around that time, Rossi approached Piantelli and asked to work with him. Meanwhile several Americans, began asking for my assistance to make contact with Piantelli.
Piantelli declined Rossi's offer to collaborate. Rossi approached Focardi, who had given up research at the time and was eager for a second chance.
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There is no hard evidence of any research the two performed together. According to Focardi, he and Rossi performed their first experiment on Oct. 16, 2007. However, Focardi's photograph of that event shows a date stamp of Jan. 30, 2011.


There's more...
 

Murloc

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I think it's all bs, it's not the first fake science miracle. Just a fraudster who's no good at measuring energy in and energy out.

Focardi is a real professor but he's retired and in the subsequent events he is not cited anymore.
 
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Codewiz

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For anyone who didn't click the link, who thinks there's anything more than a 0.01% chance that the OP is correct, that link should take care of it.




There's more...

Not to mention, every person that participated in the independent review is related to Rossi in some way. They are all within 2 degrees of seperation.

If he wanted REAL independent validation, why not go to somewhere like MIT.

Additionally, all tests were performed in Rossi's lab. If you can't control the location, I don't trust the test.

Again, pack the thing up. Show up at MIT and get someone reputable there to validate your results. Do that and he would be a millionaire. Why are we still talking about this years later. If he has the devices, he should be able to hand them over to scientists and let them reproduce the results.

The reason that isn't happening isn't some commercial concern, it is due to the fact that it is a scam. Hell, he could reach an agreement with a MIT professor, where the professor helps him determine the nature of the reaction and Rossi patents it. Boom, commercial problem solved and he is a millionaire.

None of this has happened because it is a scam.....
 

techs

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This thread is the largest circle jerk in ATOT history.

To even begin to believe it you have to start with the conspiracy theory that someone has invented cheap, clean and inexhaustible energy. But the "powers" are keeping it from being adopted.

Yeah, right. Harvesting the names of people in this thread that believe this would be the most profitable use of this "device". Because anyone who believes it is a great target for the bridge I have to sell in Brooklyn.
 

DrPizza

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Why are we still talking about this years later.
Trying to convince Adlep that it's a hoax. I just can't figure out if he's posting this stuff to troll, or if he genuinely believes it. But, if we save just one person from sending any money to Rossi, we will have made a positive difference in the world.
 

zinfamous

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due the OP's insistence on bumping this thread and maintaining the FUD, he has unwittingly qualified himself as the first-ever back-to-back (let alone 2-time!) self-pwnage of the year and fail thread of the year champion in ATOT history...and all for the same thread! This is unprecedented.

CONGRATULATIONS!
 

zinfamous

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The reason that isn't happening isn't some commercial concern, it is due to the fact that it is a scam. Hell, he could reach an agreement with a MIT professor, where the professor helps him determine the nature of the reaction and Rossi patents it. Boom, commercial problem solved and he is a millionaire.

not to feed the FUD or anything (your assertion of scammery is 100% correct, of course), but it is not true that Rossi would be able to patent this in that case.

With an MIT professor's involvement, the patent would more than likely belong to MIT. And I'm not sure if policy is the same in Bologna or in all of Italy, but the institution tends to own the patents of any discoveries.
 

Jeff7

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Trying to convince Adlep that it's a hoax. I just can't figure out if he's posting this stuff to troll, or if he genuinely believes it. But, if we save just one person from sending any money to Rossi, we will have made a positive difference in the world.
Some part of this needs to turn out to be another grand experiment set up by James Randi.


One of the highpoints of that whole thing is that, even after they had been told it was a hoax, some people just wouldn't let up.
 
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Codewiz

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not to feed the FUD or anything (your assertion of scammery is 100% correct, of course), but it is not true that Rossi would be able to patent this in that case.

With an MIT professor's involvement, the patent would more than likely belong to MIT. And I'm not sure if policy is the same in Bologna or in all of Italy, but the institution tends to own the patents of any discoveries.

Well from personal experience, a group I work with had involvement with a professor from an Ivy League School on some of our work. We had no issues patenting the idea because we applied for a provisional patent prior to involving the professor. Therefore, the university had no rights to our work but they were paid for allowing their professor and students help us.

It all depends on how you setup the agreement with the university.
 

Molondo

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I read the conclusion of the paper posted by op. It suggests evidence of an energy source greater than any conventional method.
 

flexy

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It is my understanding that also this "latest" so called "independent" test overlooked some important things, eg. measuring whether there was current present in the ground wire. (I haven't read this yet, tho).

That entire e-cat circus has ALL the common traits of a classic scam.

If that is really a discovery of such a groundbreaking nature AS CLAIMED, energy produced from a up to now unknown reaction, common sense would say that the least he could've done was building a small "demo reactor" where proof of concept was demonstrated where ANY proof and doubt about the workings of this device would've been eliminated.

He could've built a small device powering a light-bulb or whatever, for anyone out there to see and to verify that it works.

HE DID NOT.

All he did was making excuses and instead of bothering to build a small "demo reactor" for the world to see he built a large one which he (allegedly) sold. All the tests SO FAR and as I understand were flawed and not really independent.

The fact that he spent big sums to first build a large "reactor" and then making a media spectacle out of it and "sold" it rather than a small demo reactor for proof of concept for me is almost proof it's a scam.
 
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