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adlep

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manimal

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Update 10/9/2014
New test of the reactor:
https://animpossibleinvention.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/luganoreportsubmit.pdf

Additional information about the test
http://matslew.wordpress.com/

This site offers news about Rossi's device:
http://www.e-catworld.com/

And finally
The biggest deal, Swedish "Detroit Edison" confirms the phenomenon and allocates funds to study Rossi's device...
http://www.elforsk.se/LENR-Matrapport-publicerad/ (scroll down for the English version).

how can they study something that he wont let them study?



WHY!!!!!
 

DrPizza

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how can they study something that he wont let them study?



WHY!!!!!

Exactly. "You can study it from over there. 10 feet away. Sorry, I can't tell you what these extra wires going to an outlet do. But, trust me. I've only been convicted of fraud once before. Those wires don't do anything."

2 months 22 days to go, still no independent confirmation. Still no peer-reviewed journal article that claims it's anything but a hoax.
 

PowerEngineer

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oh, adlep...



The same face palm in response to your posting of the same faux updates.

Even you have to admit that your posts continue to link just unsubstantiated "test results" formatted to masquerade as peer-reviewed science and hopeful web posts by people with a belief agenda.

You've never posted anything better than that in the nearly three years of this thread's existence.

Please wake up! :'(
 

adlep

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An article over at extremetech:

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/...-million-times-the-energy-density-of-gasoline

"Cold fusion reactor verified by third-party researchers, seems to have 1 million times the energy density of gasoline"

Edit: Please read the report before calling me an idiot.
http://www.sifferkoll.se/sifferkoll/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/LuganoReportSubmit.pdf

Also, oil price is down 3% today and and it will go down even further. Once the av. price of gas in the US goes <$2.90 you will have to thank this tech for it

http://www.fuelgaugereport.com/
 
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CZroe

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DrPizza

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And still at least one idiot that believes.
Based on his other posts, I don't think he's an idiot. However, if you look earlier in this thread, there's an excellent summary of why you're not using nickel in such a reaction. I can understand someone clinging to beliefs; it's very hard to get someone to abandon a belief that they've ever strongly had. E.g., religion. Every religion can't be right - the Catholics can't say that those Muslims are going to hell for not accepting Jesus, ditto the Muslims, ditto the Jews, ditto the Jehovah Witnesses - they can't all be right. Therefore, some of them clearly are wrong. Being wrong about a belief doesn't necessary qualify you as an idiot.

Now the venture capitalist on the other hand - he's an idiot. I'm going to guess that for 2% or less of what he spent, he could have hired a pair of top nuclear physicists to examine what it is that he purchased. He could have easily made an agreement, "I'll purchase it for this sum <xxxxxxxxxxx>, but only if my two physicists can verify that it works."

Since it appears he didn't, he's an idiot. Or, he's another ruse who is in on the deceit.
 

adlep

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Oil is down. Oil speculators are jumping the ship because of the Ecat...
 

Fern

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Now the venture capitalist on the other hand - he's an idiot. I'm going to guess that for 2% or less of what he spent, he could have hired a pair of top nuclear physicists to examine what it is that he purchased. He could have easily made an agreement, "I'll purchase it for this sum <xxxxxxxxxxx>, but only if my two physicists can verify that it works."

Since it appears he didn't, he's an idiot. Or, he's another ruse who is in on the deceit.

I would bet that he's not an idiot.

He's the CEO of firm with a lot of very bright people handling billions of $'s. I'm also willing to bet he has access to some of the best scientists in the fields he needs to evaluate this tech.

And unless you have a source I haven't found you seem to be making a lot of assumptions about how the deal to acquire the technology is structured. Personally, I seriously doubt it was a simple swap for outright cash.

However, none of that really speaks to the validity of the tech. Instead, the significance of his involvement is that now we'll find out if the tech works, and if so he's capable of bring it to market. I.e., this purported tech advance has now been pushed forward to the 'put up or shut' phase. That to me is good news.

Fern
 

Fern

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Oil is down. Oil speculators are jumping the ship because of the Ecat...

I'm hearing it's down because of a crappy global economy. Heck, even Germany looks like it's sliding into a recession.

Fern
 

halik

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Oil is down. Oil speculators are jumping the ship because of the Ecat...

Honestly can't tell if troll or stupid. Between extra supply from fracking and global slow down, it must be a convicted fraud's invention that's doing it.
 

Ns1

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Honestly can't tell if troll or stupid. Between extra supply from fracking and global slow down, it must be a convicted fraud's invention that's doing it.

it's the only reasonable answer.
 

Thebobo

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lol at the folks who are jump on the OP so sure it is a hoax when they haven't a real clue. Not saying it is real but whats the point on jumping on the OP? Get in that trash someone to feel good group? Do you know for an absolute fact 100% that its fake?
 

Ichinisan

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lol at the folks who are jump on the OP so sure it is a hoax when they haven't a real clue. Not saying it is real but whats the point on jumping on the OP? Get in that trash someone to feel good group? Do you know for an absolute fact 100% that its fake?

They have provided very sound reasoning. The OP is a "true believer." When presented with the same evidence that makes everyone else doubt the validity of Rossi's claims, OP should share our own skepticism...but he chooses not to.
 
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An article over at extremetech:

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/...-million-times-the-energy-density-of-gasoline

"Cold fusion reactor verified by third-party researchers, seems to have 1 million times the energy density of gasoline"

Edit: Please read the report before calling me an idiot.
http://www.sifferkoll.se/sifferkoll/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/LuganoReportSubmit.pdf

Also, oil price is down 3% today and and it will go down even further. Once the av. price of gas in the US goes <$2.90 you will have to thank this tech for it

http://www.fuelgaugereport.com/

I did read it, and I still think you're an idiot (not least of which is because you keep acting like you're right when you don't know jackshit about any of this).

These are the same researchers that got to study it before, they just changed some things (Rossi has a different version now, and they tested it at a different site). Absolutely the study is better but there's still way too much BS involved.

Not only that but their conclusions contradict themselves. They claim it's clear that nuclear change happened, but have no proof other than their fuel analysis before and after showing different composition. The problem with this is that if nuclear reactions that would cause these changes in composition occurred, then radiation is one of the byproducts of it (there was a blog I linked earlier that explained that in order for the chemical reactions to make the "observed" changes occur radiation is absolutely a byproduct of it), yet they couldn't measure any. Even if they somehow overcame some of the other physics that also cast doubt over this, there's just no way around the fact that they are not getting the output that they would have to be getting (radiation) in order for this to be true.

There's several other problems with the test, but by far that is the most damning. If the nuclear reaction they claim this test proves occurred, there would be measurable radiation from the fuel, yet they did not find any and have no explanation. Couple that with Rossi being the person that both added and removed the alleged fuel, well sorry, but this is the same BS from before.

Other issues are the fact that they did not actually test the dummy reactor the same as the "live" one, but they conclude that they did it enough to use it as a control, which I personally don't agree with. Their reasoning for this is that it could damage parts of the device and they wouldn't have any other on hand to test instead. That's awfully fishy.

You want my guess on what this device really is? I think Rossi has a tiny amount of typical nuclear fuel inside of it and has a circuit setup so that when sufficient electricity is pumped through it, it exposes the fuel to something that enables a thermoelectric response like a peltier which converts the heat to electricity which is why the device heats up and also outputs electricity. Most of the device is just shielding the actually nuclear material and then the peltier. I think he already has the "spent" fuel that he gave them to test inside of it, and so that's why when they measured it they see the difference they do, while he leaves the original fuel inside of it (thus fooling their mass measurement).

Something in particular to note is how that blog I linked to before mentioned how the copper in used fuel was a telltale sign of it being a scam, and this time there's no copper at all.

Here's the link to the blog I mentioned: http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2011/12/05/the-nuclear-physics-of-why-we/

Oil is down. Oil speculators are jumping the ship because of the Ecat...

Posts like this are exactly why people keep calling you an idiot. Oil prices don't have anything to do with this device, there's several reasons for the prices dropping. But hey, don't pay any attention to most information or have any idea what you're actually talking about (that's why you'll always be an idiot about this, even if Rossi's device works you won't understand anything involved in how/why it does while pretending that you were right all along even though you haven't actually been able to discuss this for jackshit the entire time).

I would bet that he's not an idiot.

He's the CEO of firm with a lot of very bright people handling billions of $'s. I'm also willing to bet he has access to some of the best scientists in the fields he needs to evaluate this tech.

And unless you have a source I haven't found you seem to be making a lot of assumptions about how the deal to acquire the technology is structured. Personally, I seriously doubt it was a simple swap for outright cash.

However, none of that really speaks to the validity of the tech. Instead, the significance of his involvement is that now we'll find out if the tech works, and if so he's capable of bring it to market. I.e., this purported tech advance has now been pushed forward to the 'put up or shut' phase. That to me is good news.

Fern

Whether or not he's an idiot (if this turns out to be a scam he'll basically be able to pin it on Rossi and maybe pay some fines for ill gotten gains), I'm willing to bet he has not had legitimate scientists study this (because Rossi won't let that happen unless he has control over certain aspects and won't let them actually study the device).

FYI, the venture capitalist firm bought Rossi's stuff in January. Why Adlep is acting like it's a new development when he posted all about that back in January, I don't know. This isn't some new investment, it's the same one from back then.

But then this is what adlep does he posts the same shit over and over acting like there's been some change when there often hasn't been at all.
 
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