post temperature in celsius = ban

[Ruptga]

The concept of communism is actually pretty good, the problem is the leaders. Just like with democracy. That said I would not trade democracy for communism in the current state. At least with democracy you can vote out an asshole to replace with another asshole. Shift the shit to different piles to keep it from hardening up, know what I mean?

That has to be the most cliched political opinion of the 20th century. You're taking issue with totalitarianism, not communism.
[rantlet]
The USSR and its proxies didn't have a monopoly on communism any more than the USA has a monopoly on democracy. A person or government can be communist without suspending due process for political prisoners, putting citizens and allies under arbitrary surveillance, starting wars of choice because of internal politics rather than (and contrary to) any external facts, or enacting policy by executive order.
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[Blackjack200]

That has to be the most cliched political opinion of the 20th century. You're taking issue with totalitarianism, not communism.
[rantlet]
The USSR and its proxies didn't have a monopoly on communism any more than the USA has a monopoly on democracy. A person or government can be communist without suspending due process for political prisoners, putting citizens and allies under arbitrary surveillance, starting wars of choice because of internal politics rather than (and contrary to) any external facts, or enacting policy by executive order.
[/rantlet]

Communism is economic system, an alternative to capitalism.

Totalitarianism is a political system, an alternative to democracy.

That said, is it unfair to say that communist systems tend to go hand in hand with authoritative states, while capitalist systems tend to go hand in hand with democratically governed states?

 

[Ruptga]

^^ It's a stereotype that has outlived its cold war usefulness. I'd love to rant more but I have somewhere to be. In short: we use socialism (social security, medicare, and more recently health insurance in general), and so do many respectable nations and allies, they're just more up front about it than we are.

 

[Puppies04]

How many centimeters is a 10 penny (3 inch) nail in cm?

We would measure it in mm because fixings need to be accurate. Anything to do with construction should be measured in meters or Millimetres. Saves any confusion, this is the first thing I teach my lads on their first day of work.

How long is an 8 foot stud in meters?

I buy studs in 2.4m 2.7m and 3.0m generally although I do use longer ones. Not sure how you using a retarded measurement makes it "easier"

Association football?

So we take 3 random letter out of the middle of something and add "cer" on the end even though there is no "C" "E" or "R" in the rest of the phrase. Riiiiiiiight.

 

[IronWing]

So we take 3 random letter out of the middle of something and add "cer" on the end even though there is no "C" "E" or "R" in the rest of the phrase. Riiiiiiiight.

It's soccer; it's supposed to be retarded.

 

[Blackjack200]

^^ It's a stereotype that has outlived its cold war usefulness. I'd love to rant more but I have somewhere to be. In short: we use socialism (social security, medicare, and more recently health insurance in general), and so do many respectable nations and allies, they're just more up front about it than we are.

Socialism is not communism. I agree that we have many socialist features in our society, and they're mostly good (though they also have their downsides) but that's very different from having a centrally planned economy.

We would measure it in mm because fixings need to be accurate. Anything to do with construction should be measured in meters or Millimetres. Saves any confusion, this is the first thing I teach my lads on their first day of work.

I buy studs in 2.4m 2.7m and 3.0m generally although I do use longer ones. Not sure how you using a retarded measurement makes it "easier"

"Hey Jim, can you get me some 76.2mm nails to toe nail the 2.4 meter 38.1mm x 88.9mm studs to the plate?"

You're right, in no way is that more awkward than saying "Hey Jim, can you get me some 10 penny common nails to toe nail the 8 foot 2x4s to the plate?"

So we take 3 random letter out of the middle of something and add "cer" on the end even though there is no "C" "E" or "R" in the rest of the phrase. Riiiiiiiight.

Kind of like how the Brits have gone from calling it football to "footy"?

I agree, "soccer", is kind of an odd name, even if it's rooted in British tradition. What can I say? "Football" was already taken by a better sport, and if we wanted to be descriptive, we could have just called it "Italians rolling around on the pitch, grabbing their ankles."

 

[sandorski]

It's like the Metric vs. English. In theory, metric is more elegant with its base 10 conversions. In practice, English units just work better in every day situations. How many centimeters is a 10 penny (3 inch) nail in cm? How long is an 8 foot stud in meters? See, English just works better for human scale stuff.



Why is it so important to have water freeze at 0? Others have already pointed out that it varies with atmospheric pressure anyway, so it's not even like you can say "so you know if it's going to be ice or rain out there!"

Others have already pointed out that Celsius measuurements are far too course, so you'd need to add a decimal to thermostats and shit. Fuck that.



Association football?

Metric is more Elegant and more Objective. Volume, Temperature, Energy, Weight, and Distance are all inter related and used to confirm the measurement of each form of Measurement.

 

[Blackjack200]

Metric is unquestionably more elegant. But both are objective. My argument is that English is more practical. Elegant can compete with practical.

Classic example is helicopter design. How do you prevent the fusalage from counter-rotating? The elegant solution is counter-rotating main rotors. Either co-axially or offset (like a CH-46).

But the most practical solution is what Sikorsky came up with, the tail rotor. It's inelegant because it's wasting power and energy, but its simplicity is worth it.

 

[Ruptga]

"Hey Jim, can you get me some 8cm nails to toe nail the two and a half meter studs to the plate?"

You're right, in no way is that more awkward than saying "Hey Jim, can you get me some 10 penny common nails to toe nail the 8 foot 2x4s to the plate?"

Fixed for what it might look like if the building materials themselves were built with metric in mind. Metric is only messy for us because we insist on converting everything back into US standard units before we use it.

Socialism is not communism. I agree that we have many socialist features in our society, and they're mostly good (though they also have their downsides) but that's very different from having a centrally planned economy.

Socialism is just small scale communism. The principles are the same, it's just a difference of implementation. But more to the point, economies all across Africa are open and it's very safe to say that their governments lean toward tyranny more than liberty. Economies all across Europe are regulated but not centrally planned, and their governments are consistently rated as the most free in the world. There is no direct link between communist economic influence and authoritarianism, not now that we've buried the USSR.

 

[Blackjack200]

Fixed for what it might look like if the building materials themselves were built with metric in mind. Metric is only messy for us because we insist on converting everything back into US standard units before we use it.

Anything to do with construction should be measured in meters or Millimetres.

I hope he uses the right size studs since he didn't bother to specify 2x4 or 2x6... or whatever the fuck that is in metric.

 

[biostud]

You've already won the language war, English is the standard international language. The metric system has won the international number system, accept your defeat.

 

[sandorski]

Metric is unquestionably more elegant. But both are objective. My argument is that English is more practical. Elegant can compete with practical.

Classic example is helicopter design. How do you prevent the fusalage from counter-rotating? The elegant solution is counter-rotating main rotors. Either co-axially or offset (like a CH-46).

But the most practical solution is what Sikorsky came up with, the tail rotor. It's inelegant because it's wasting power and energy, but its simplicity is worth it.

The English system is not Objective at all. That's why a British Gallon is larger than a US Gallon. They are chosen in a completely arbitrary manner. Mathematically the English system is a mess and the only thing that makes it "practical" is that people have been using it long enough that it's well known, in the US at least.

 

[StinkyPinky]

"How far is that rock off the shore there"?
"About 500 inches"
"Or 41.67 feet"
"Or 0.08 miles"

"How far is that rock off the shore there?"
"1270 cm"
"or 12.7 meters"
"or 0.0127km"

 

[Nograts]

You've already won the language war, English is the standard international language. The metric system has won the international number system, accept your defeat.

NEVER YA FILTHY DANE! Remember the Alamo brothers!

 

[Ruptga]

NEVER YA FILTHY DANE! Remember the Alamo brothers!

Damn straight. Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no! We have the aircraft carriers, we make the rules, and the rule is that Murricah rules.

 

[Puppies04]

"Hey Jim, can you get me some 76.2mm nails to toe nail the 2.4 meter 38.1mm x 88.9mm studs to the plate?" You're right, in no way is that more awkward than saying "Hey Jim, can you get me some 10 penny common nails to toe nail the 8 foot 2x4s to the plate?"

You can't really be as dumb as you sound so I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are trolling.

 

[master_shake_]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHeo62B0d0E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7x-RGfd0Yk

explains everything.

 

[ninaholic37]

You're right, in no way is that more awkward than saying "Hey Jim, can you get me some 10 penny common nails to toe nail the 8 foot 2x4s to the plate?"

I didn't know that you guys called Nails a "10 penny", I thought you were actually talking about 10 cent coins. They got rid of the penny in Canada a few years ago, easier just to round up or down to the nearest 5 cents and carry less change.

 

[Ruptga]

I didn't know that you guys called Nails a "10 penny", I thought you were actually talking about 10 cent coins. They got rid of the penny in Canada a few years ago, easier just to round up or down to the nearest 5 cents and carry less change.

The US tries to do that every few years, but it always gets shot down because Lincoln isn't on enough currency yet. I wouldn't mind seeing the nickel and dime go too. What can you even buy with those anymore? One piece of shitty candy in some backwards store?

 

[Blackjack200]

The English system is not Objective at all. That's why a British Gallon is larger than a US Gallon. They are chosen in a completely arbitrary manner. Mathematically the English system is a mess and the only thing that makes it "practical" is that people have been using it long enough that it's well known, in the US at least.

You keep using that word...

Like I said, it's not rational, it's practical.

 

[sandorski]

You keep using that word...

Like I said, it's not rational, it's practical.

Yes I do keep using that word, because the Metric system can be confirmed, in most instances, by any person at any period in time. The English system has no such mechanism. The various measurements just are as they are, based upon some decision at some point in time.

It's not really Practical though. You are confusing Practicality with Familiarity.

 

[Blackjack200]

I didn't know that you guys called Nails a "10 penny", I thought you were actually talking about 10 cent coins. They got rid of the penny in Canada a few years ago, easier just to round up or down to the nearest 5 cents and carry less change.

Yeah, 4 through 16 penny, and only even numbers. I think every two pennies is a half inch, so 10 penny is three inches, 12 penny is three and a half. I've never heard of 14s, but 16 penny commons are a thing and those are some fucking spikes man

Fours and Sixes exist, but usually as finish nails for face frames and shit. It'a pretty lol system but you get used to it really quickly.

Fake edit: Nope, just checked and 10s are 3 inches, and 12s are 3.25", and 16s are 3.5 inches. lol.

 

[MongGrel]

Communism is economic system, an alternative to capitalism.

Totalitarianism is a political system, an alternative to democracy.

That said, is it unfair to say that communist systems tend to go hand in hand with authoritative states, while capitalist systems tend to go hand in hand with democratically governed states?

Yeah, just like China.

:hmm:

You did say tend to, I guess.

 

[Blackjack200]

Yes I do keep using that word, because the Metric system can be confirmed, in most instances, by any person at any period in time. The English system has no such mechanism. The various measurements just are as they are, based upon some decision at some point in time.

It's not really Practical though. You are confusing Practicality with Familiarity.

Uhh, I don't know wtf you're talking about but the yard has been tied to the meter in definition since before the meter was standardized by the speed of light. (According to Wikipedia).

And yes, it's more practical, even if you don't choose to understand why. 12 might seem like a strange number of inches for a foot, but it allows for even division into two, three, four, or six parts. Inches themselves are split into halves, quarters, eighths, sixteenths, etc. which makes perfect sense when you're constantly doubling and splitting things like you are in construction.

Believe it or not, it is practical utility that keeps the US system of measurements going, not boorish stubbornness or the triumph of tradition over reason. Like, say a province that insists on speaking their own language apart from the country and continental mass that it belongs too. No, that would be ridiculous.

 

[Blackjack200]

Yeah, just like China.

:hmm:

You did say tend to, I guess.

As I understand it, it's a unique system where the central planners allow private investment in industry.