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Doboji

Diamond Member
May 18, 2001
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Unfortunately the IQ test means absolutely nothing...

You may be 4,578,887,223x smarter than Paris Hilton.... but she still has more money and is better than you.
 

HAL9000

Lifer
Oct 17, 2010
22,027
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Unfortunately the IQ test means absolutely nothing...

You may be 4,578,887,223x smarter than Paris Hilton.... but she still has more money and is better than you.

Why is Paris Hilton better than us?
 

Absolute0

Senior member
Nov 9, 2005
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bullshit SAT conversion... got a 1450 back in the day and that means im 99.7% I don't think so! LOL

Also apparently if you break 1150 on the SAT you're in the top 10%... none of the people I talked to in high school got UNDER 1150. The equivalency is inaccurate.


Also, wanted to say that I know a few really smart people. Who do absolutely nothing with their lives. It's kind of sad to see such potential wasted. So if you're ecstatic about having a high potential, remember that power is equal to current times potential, so if your current is ~0 because you post online and play videogames all day (talking about my smart friends, not anyone on ATOT of course), the intelligence doesn't really matter.
 
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bullshit SAT conversion... got a 1450 back in the day and that means im 99.7% I don't think so! LOL

Also apparently if you break 1150 on the SAT you're in the top 10%... none of the people I talked to in high school got UNDER 1150. The equivalency is inaccurate.

Also, wanted to say that I know a few really smart people. Who do absolutely nothing with their lives. It's kind of sad to see such potential wasted. So if you're ecstatic about having a high potential, remember that power is equal to current times potential, so if your current is ~0 because you post online and play videogames all day (talking about my smart friends, not anyone on ATOT of course), the intelligence doesn't really matter.

More importantly, it doesn't take any great intellect to do most of the stuff that matters. Care for a kid, take care of the environment, be a good person, etc. Even people a full SD below average can manage those things perfectly well. More often than not, super smart people end up using their brains for someone else's morality...it's nice enough to have a 170IQ, but if you use it to develop new forms of planned obsolescence to feed consumerism, or more efficient ways to transfer wealth to the 1%, all it makes you is more efficiently evil - not accomplished and not anything to look up to.

And you're correct, educational achievement and academic tests are NOT in any way an accurate measure of intellect. Last I checked the correlation between gpa and iq was something like .50.
 

Dr. Zaus

Lifer
Oct 16, 2008
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If you use it to develop new forms of planned obsolescence to feed consumerism, or more efficient ways to transfer wealth to the 1%, all it makes you is more efficiently evil - not accomplished and not anything to look up to.

I honestly feel sad for you.

100% agree.

But feel so very sad.

this is why:

Because in much wisdom there is much grief, and increasing knowledge results in increasing pain.
 
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Doboji

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May 18, 2001
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Why is Paris Hilton better than us?

"Better" means more successful to me... Which is generally a combination of intelligence, execution and starting point. Paris trumps anyone in this forum.

IQ is meaningless, it doesnt even accurately measure the intlelligence piece of the equasion.
 
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"Better" means more successful to me... Which is generally a combination of intelligence, execution and starting point. Paris trumps anyone in this forum.

IQ is meaningless, it doesnt even accurately measure the intlelligence piece of the equasion.

And I believe the opposite to be true...that 'success' as you measure it is generally a negative thing and usually correlated to being a bad human being.

So now we have two polar opposite views by two people with equal right to hold them. So where are we?

Oh, and to determine if the available tests are accurate in measuring 'g' we would have to first agree on the definition thereof. If we don't, then the disagreement is really in our warrants, not the effectiveness of the tests. The tests are extremely accurate (for the middle 8 sd's at least) in obtaining what they attempt to, it's just that some people don't like or care about their purpose.

Finally, I try not to pick on people too much for spelling, punctuation, or grammar issues because I think it's quite often just typos but having four separate errors in a sentence about the pitfalls of intelligence is just some delicious irony.
 
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pmv

Lifer
May 30, 2008
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Who's smarter than me?

I think Gary Oldman has the answer

Anyway I don't really believe in "IQ". I tend to think it just captures the end result of the combination of somebody's personality, motivation, and acquired habits of thought at any given time (the time they take the test). I don't think it measures anything really fundamental, innate or biological/genetic. Nor do I think it necessarily has anything to do with how good someone is at anything other than taking IQ tests or things very directly comparable to taking IQ tests.

The Flynn effect seems to be consistent with that view.

Of course, I could be wrong, because I'm not particularly smart.
 

OverVolt

Lifer
Aug 31, 2002
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I know dixy has a high IQ by how much his head is in the clouds.

28.4m are smarter than me.
 

Doboji

Diamond Member
May 18, 2001
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And I believe the opposite to be true...that 'success' as you measure it is generally a negative thing and usually correlated to being a bad human being.

So now we have two polar opposite views by two people with equal right to hold them. So where are we?

Oh, and to determine if the available tests are accurate in measuring 'g' we would have to first agree on the definition thereof. If we don't, then the disagreement is really in our warrants, not the effectiveness of the tests. The tests are extremely accurate (for the middle 8 sd's at least) in obtaining what they attempt to, it's just that some people don't like or care about their purpose.

Finally, I try not to pick on people too much for spelling, punctuation, or grammar issues because I think it's quite often just typos but having four separate errors in a sentence about the pitfalls of intelligence is just some delicious irony.

Unfortunately while posting via smartphone whilst wrestling with a 19 mo old, grammar and spelling fall by the wayside.

As to the point in question, we do indeed have different opinions. Not just about what better means but also about what constitutes a 'good' human.

Having a high IQ has no correlation to morality either.
 
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Unfortunately while posting via smartphone whilst wrestling with a 19 mo old, grammar and spelling fall by the wayside.

As to the point in question, we do indeed have different opinions. Not just about what better means but also about what constitutes a 'good' human.

Having a high IQ has no correlation to morality either.

Like I said, I don't think posting trivials really reveal anything about somebody...it's usually typos. It was just amusing enough to merit pointing out.

I completely agree about the IQ/morality equation, as I clearly laid out in other posts in this thread. I wasn't trying to convince you (or anyone else) that 'im right and you're wrong' but merely that we hold opposing views based on differing warrants and perception/experience bias, and not because of any specific fact regarding IQ or tests.
 

MagnusTheBrewer

IN MEMORIAM
Jun 19, 2004
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According to my MENSA score, there are 9,873 people out there smarter than me. Methinks the outliers are more prevalent than that.
 

Doboji

Diamond Member
May 18, 2001
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Like I said, I don't think posting trivials really reveal anything about somebody...it's usually typos. It was just amusing enough to merit pointing out.

I completely agree about the IQ/morality equation, as I clearly laid out in other posts in this thread. I wasn't trying to convince you (or anyone else) that 'im right and you're wrong' but merely that we hold opposing views based on differing warrants and perception/experience bias, and not because of any specific fact regarding IQ or tests.

Well here's the thing. IMHO practical intelligence isn't accurately measured on the IQ test, instead you measure some subset of generalized intelligence potential. Which to me, means no more than measuring someone's aptitude to do something like play World of Warcraft.

There are many forms of intelligence NOT measured by the test.

Beyond that even the forms of intelligence that actually are measured don't correlate to practical intelligence. Sure you may measure that person's ability to perform pattern recognition, or solve boxed logic problems, but that doesn't mean they can translate that capability into anything useful. Without execution skill, you can only apply the intelligence to problems you are presented, and you probably need someone to translate your results to other human beings in an effective manner.

In simpler terms... Being able to solve an incredibly complex mathematical equation is utterly useless if the equation serves no purpose and you can't explain the solution to anyone.

Then we have Paris Hilton. We are all human beings with a set lifetime of somewhere in the neighborhood of 70-100 years give or take unexpected death. I personally believe there are three measures of human quality. That is to say what determines whether a person is "better" than another.

1. The impact of that individual on the whole population of humanity. For example Albert Einstein has had significant lasting impact on humanity as a whole. This makes him on some level a higher quality human being.

2. The quality of life an individual is able to sustain. For example Paris Hilton has an excellent quality of life with everything she could possibly need and then some.

3. The impact of an individual on the quality of life of those people surrounding him. For Example Paris Hilton's father.

So based on this you can see where my statement Paris Hilton is "better" than you comes into play. It doesn't matter that you or I are more "intelligent" than Paris, she has other attributes and means that make her "better" than us. Our intelligence is not sufficient to power us past her quality level.

Of course all of this is completely subjective... perhaps you would see an exceptionally intelligent, but illiterate homeless man as equal or better as a human being than Paris Hilton. But I think you would be wrong.

-Max
 

HAL9000

Lifer
Oct 17, 2010
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"Better" means more successful to me... Which is generally a combination of intelligence, execution and starting point. Paris trumps anyone in this forum.

Two things:

1) Alkemyst is more successful than Paris Hilton
2) Being more successful doesn't make you a better person, unless you value a person based on their job... Which I don't. Steve Jobs was a very successful man, but based on what I've read a bout him he wasn't a nice person, making him (IMO) a worse person than me.

Successful serial killers are not better people than unsuccessful charity workers.
 

waggy

No Lifer
Dec 14, 2000
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Well here's the thing. IMHO practical intelligence isn't accurately measured on the IQ test, instead you measure some subset of generalized intelligence potential. Which to me, means no more than measuring someone's aptitude to do something like play World of Warcraft.

There are many forms of intelligence NOT measured by the test.

Beyond that even the forms of intelligence that actually are measured don't correlate to practical intelligence. Sure you may measure that person's ability to perform pattern recognition, or solve boxed logic problems, but that doesn't mean they can translate that capability into anything useful. Without execution skill, you can only apply the intelligence to problems you are presented, and you probably need someone to translate your results to other human beings in an effective manner.

In simpler terms... Being able to solve an incredibly complex mathematical equation is utterly useless if the equation serves no purpose and you can't explain the solution to anyone.

Then we have Paris Hilton. We are all human beings with a set lifetime of somewhere in the neighborhood of 70-100 years give or take unexpected death. I personally believe there are three measures of human quality. That is to say what determines whether a person is "better" than another.

1. The impact of that individual on the whole population of humanity. For example Albert Einstein has had significant lasting impact on humanity as a whole. This makes him on some level a higher quality human being.

2. The quality of life an individual is able to sustain. For example Paris Hilton has an excellent quality of life with everything she could possibly need and then some.

3. The impact of an individual on the quality of life of those people surrounding him. For Example Paris Hilton's father.

So based on this you can see where my statement Paris Hilton is "better" than you comes into play. It doesn't matter that you or I are more "intelligent" than Paris, she has other attributes and means that make her "better" than us. Our intelligence is not sufficient to power us past her quality level.

Of course all of this is completely subjective... perhaps you would see an exceptionally intelligent, but illiterate homeless man as equal or better as a human being than Paris Hilton. But I think you would be wrong.

-Max

while paris hilton comes off as a ...well dope. I think people under estimate her. She has nothing really to contribute to society yet is well known and makes a lot of money.

for what? really? she was able to market her "talents" and make money with them. I find her rather amazing in that.

she is pretty but not meg a hot. sure she is rich but there are plenty of rich women out there.
 

alkemyst

No Lifer
Feb 13, 2001
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my IQ is slightly over 160, of course there are different scales. Mine was tested professionally and why I was in gifted classes growing up.

SAT and other tests don't really scale to IQ as does neither grades.
 
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