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Dr. Zaus

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Meaning only that it's statistically improbable that one would be on the board.

We do not have a representative sample on this forum. It's highly skewed toward a demographic with a very high IQ.

I'm thinking a 115 is 'slow' for this forum.
 

Doboji

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There is no universally accepted definition of 'practical intelligence', any more than there is a universally accepted definition of 'g'. So right away we're conflicted in that to some people it may measure it accurately because their definitions and warrants are different than yours.



It measures certain traits which relate strongly to potential for certain types of cognitive processes. Rather you personally think those things matter is irrelevant...it doesn't diminish the accuracy or usefulness of the tests or theory for others...especially others who deal with such things and their impacts (such as education) for a living. We don't need a mechanic or grocery bagger to understand or agree with cognitive psychology...we DO need teachers, counselors, therapists, and policy makers to at least acknowledge it however.



Absolutely true. For those things there are other theories being explored (Sternbergs Triarchic, Gardner MI, etc). NONE of that detracts from the existence or use of 'g' however.



You have just demonstrated that you know absolutely nothing about the field whatsoever. In fact, it demonstrates EXACTLY that you CAN do other things, and how quickly and easily you will be able to learn them compared to others. The ability to do the tasks on intelligence tests related directly to the ability to perform various cognitive functions required in an infinite number of situations (pattern recognition, mnemonics, spatial awareness and reasoning, logic, communication, etc).

There is also the previous point that there is no set definition of 'practical intelligence', and if there was it certainly wouldn't be set by you or any one person. What you think about what matters ONLY matters to you. What can be demonstrated through scientific study to be generally true of everyone does have merit however. That's how we came up with 'g' in the first place.



Again, what you personally think matters ONLY matters to you personally. You're welcome to feel that way, but others will feel differently, or even the exact opposite. You don't get to disparage or refute their beliefs any more than they can yours. Which is to say, as long as you're fine with other people thinking you're an idiot, or an asshole, then you're free to do the same for them. Just don't think for one second anyone gives a shit if you 'get your way' on anything if that's going to be your attitude.



Albert Einstein had impact on humanity because he was smart. Had he been a moron, he would have made no contribution, even if he wanted to.

'quality of life' is wholly subjective. YOU think paris has a high quality of life, I think it's abysmal and wouldn't wish it on an enemy (loss of privacy, substance abuse, ignorant, terrible friends and family, disdain of the masses, does nothing positive with her life, etc).

Again, I'd say Paris' parents fucked her totally. Materialism isn't a good thing. Disconnect from reality isn't a positive influence.

Again and again you talk about things that are 100% subjective as if they had truth beyond your own mind, but they don't. You are in DESPERATE need of subjective awareness.



Sure I can see where it comes into play. You're a shallow, ignorant egoist that can't understand that other people believe or experience anything different than you do.

And you're right, I"m just as bad. I'm an elitist academic prick who WORSHIPS intellect and knowledge the way an evangelical loves Jesus. The difference is that I try not to project my biases...I don't say 'IQ is absolutely correct and meaningful for everyone'...I say it accurately does what it was intended to do and is useful to the people that know what to do with it. You just come out and say it's bullshit. You'd get better mileage just ignoring the topic completely, or qualifying your responses as entirely subjective (ie I have no use for IQ in my life). Trying to apply objective labels based on subjective bias isn't going to accomplish much.

Aww shucks! I missed this one... got pretty busy. Looks like you're all fired up.

Why are you all caught up about the fact that these are my "personal" beliefs? These are also YOUR personal beliefs... in fact everyone in this thread is expressing their personal beliefs. I fail to see how calling them my beliefs discredits them in any way? Or why I should just ignore the thread if I'm going to express my personal opinion about the thread.

What is the "field" you're referring to exactly? The field of determining who is smarter than whom? If thats a "field" then I reiterate my PERSONAL belief that Paris Hilton is better than you...

Albert Einstein's impact was indeed based on his intellect, however that is just the particular attribute that HE used to make impact. Other people have had positive impact on society without being geniuses. The point is the important thing is the positive impact, not the attribute used to make the impact.

You have definitely grasped my point amidst your name calling and irrational expressed anger... it is ALL 100% Subjective... thats my problem with this whole stupid IQ nonsense... it's a subjective evaluation of human intelligence masquerading as an objective test. It's utter nonsense... and I place no stock whatsoever in it's results.

YES this is my opinion... you are free to disagree... you are free to call me an asshole for my opinion. I'm totally ok with that.

My IQ has been consistently tested in the high 140s low 150s... but who really gives a shit? There are plenty of people with lower IQs doing way better than me, making a more positive impact than me, and who know way more about lots of shit than I do. Including Paris Hilton.
 
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Aww shucks! I missed this one... got pretty busy. Looks like you're all fired up.

Not worked up in the least, just providing point by point refutation or clarification on what you said.

Why are you all caught up about the fact that these are my "personal" beliefs? These are also YOUR personal beliefs... in fact everyone in this thread is expressing their personal beliefs. I fail to see how calling them my beliefs discredits them in any way? Or why I should just ignore the thread if I'm going to express my personal opinion about the thread.

Because in several earlier statements you engaged in what appeared to objective assessments, but were really merely subjective opinions. "I don't agree with IQ" is an opinion/belief. "IQ isn't real" is an attempt at an objective argument. The first is fine, the second isn't unless you can successfully defend it with non-subjective methods, which you can't in this case. It's poor communication, and I was pointing that out.

Several people in this field are not expressing subjective opinions, but objective realities. You don't wish to accept that, because it contradicts your own views and values, but since we're able to objectively defend our statements your discomfort is irrelevant.

What is the "field" you're referring to exactly? The field of determining who is smarter than whom? If thats a "field" then I reiterate my PERSONAL belief that Paris Hilton is better than you...

Cognitive psychology for the most part. Intelligence is also touched on with developmental psych and neuroscience, and a few other lesser contributors.

Albert Einstein's impact was indeed based on his intellect, however that is just the particular attribute that HE used to make impact. Other people have had positive impact on society without being geniuses. The point is the important thing is the positive impact, not the attribute used to make the impact.

I would counter that most important contributors throughout history have done so through an intellectual ability. Not always 'g', it's frequently a more focused niche, but still a form of intelligence. That's what intelligence is...it's the flashes of insight and moments of genius which propel us forward. All non-geniuses do is keep the world functioning between new revelations. Not that it isn't a good and noble thing to do, just that 'averages' don't CHANGE the world...they maintain it.

You have definitely grasped my point amidst your name calling and irrational expressed anger... it is ALL 100% Subjective... thats my problem with this whole stupid IQ nonsense... it's a subjective evaluation of human intelligence masquerading as an objective test. It's utter nonsense... and I place no stock whatsoever in it's results.

I didn't call you anything I didn't also call myself (and most everyone else). IQ isn't subjective, the warrants regarding rather or not you CARE about IQ are subjective. IQ is a valid, objective thing. It is observable, it is repeatable, it is quantifiable. This is much like a debate about Scoville ratings would be to me. Scoville is a valid, objective measure of heat spicyness, but I don't care because I don't like spicy food. Therefore I ignore the existence of it, and laugh about discussions of it, because it is meaningless in my world. However, that doesn't say anything about its objective validity for those that care about spicy food.

YES this is my opinion... you are free to disagree... you are free to call me an asshole for my opinion. I'm totally ok with that.

My IQ has been consistently tested in the high 140s low 150s... but who really gives a shit? There are plenty of people with lower IQs doing way better than me, making a more positive impact than me, and who know way more about lots of shit than I do. Including Paris Hilton.

I didn't say you should give a shit, only that it's real and largely accurate (if understood and done correctly). IQ itself is objective, how you feel about it is subjective. That's not to say there aren't errors, omissions, improvements, etc...just keeping it to simple generalizations right now for the sake of argument.
 
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