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When purchasing a new car,DO NOT let them talk you into a new car prep,it' a rip.


Undercoating......have a employee run down to Kmart and buy several cans and spray the car.
Cost to consumer....$200-$400.Cost to dealership $20 including labor.

Fabric protector......ame as above except he purchases ScothGaurd.
Cost to consumer......$200-$300.Cost to dealership $20 including labor.

Wash and Wax.....$200 in hidden charges.

$300 to "Prep" car...check fluids....etc.



I have been working at new car dealerships for almost twenty years now and they are all the same.
 

her209

No Lifer
Oct 11, 2000
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Originally posted by: Roger
When purchasing a new car,DO NOT let them talk you into a new car prep,it' a rip.


Undercoating......have a employee run down to Kmart and buy several cans and spray the car.
Cost to consumer....$200-$400.Cost to dealership $20 including labor.

Fabric protector......ame as above except he purchases ScothGaurd.
Cost to consumer......$200-$300.Cost to dealership $20 including labor.

Wash and Wax.....$200 in hidden charges.

$300 to "Prep" car...check fluids....etc.

I have been working at new car dealerships for almost twenty years now and they are all the same.

I hate undercoating rip off :|
 

Stratum9

Senior member
Apr 13, 2002
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I worked at UPS years ago. If you want a visual image of your package while going through a UPS hub, imagine turning the crank on a gumball machine. Instead of one gumball coming down the chute, ALL the gumballs come spilling down the chute, one over the other and some falling off the edge of the chute during a backup sometimes falling 15 feet onto a concrete floor.

After the packages come flooding down the chute into the back of the tractor-trailer the loaders have to pick up each package, check the zip code to make sure it was properly sorted into the right truck then pack it onto a wall that goes all the way to the top of the trailer. Many times packages will fall from the top of the wall, either while loading or during transport when the load shifts. The loaders are usually tired after working non-stop for four to five hours in temps reaching 110 degrees in mid summer. Being tired makes them clumsy so that they are tripping and stepping all over the packages that have flooding into the back of the trailer. Tempers will flair quite frequently so that packages are thrown, kicked, and slammed around whenever the supervisors aren't looking. If a box comes open that contains food, like cookies or candie they won't hesitate to help themselves to a snack!

-- At Wendy's the meat in the chilli is actually hamburger paties that fell apart on the grill, cancelled orders, etc. The patties are collected and chopped up then dumped into the chilli.

--Every restaurant has it's cook who is an ass. (I worked at several while in college.) They will do things like testing the grill to see if it's hot by spitting on it. One place had a serious roach problem. If a roach got into the food it often got cooked in even if the cook knew it was there.
 

her209

No Lifer
Oct 11, 2000
56,336
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One reason why I don't go through drive thu is that you don't see what/how they prepare the food. Not like you really get to look around when inside anyways. yuck!
 

dpm

Golden Member
Apr 24, 2002
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Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
I think we all know this one, my uncle used to work at UPS, and they literally dont care how they treat your package, as long as it gets to its destination, let the company (UPS) deal with the customer and the insurance claim.

True. Used to work for them too - worst job I've ever had. Only thing that mattered was processing as many packages as possible at any cost. (Meaning f-ed up packages aplenty)

true for all the delivery companies...I used to work for a small business post company in Britain, the sorters would practically play soccer with the packages. But i did grab loads of packaging stuff, so all my packages are wrapped up tight
 

kLezViruS

Senior member
May 15, 2002
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Just wanted to add one from TV...

Is Your Fresh Meat / Fish Really Fresh?

They are investigating, that MOST supermarket chains redate the meat and fish from 1-7 days from the original sell by date.

To me thats kinda sick because when i am paying for meat thats fresh, i expect it to be fresh, and not redated and old..

Yuck!
 

tcsenter

Lifer
Sep 7, 2001
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They are investigating, that MOST supermarket chains redate the meat and fish from 1-7 days from the original sell by date...To me thats kinda sick because when i am paying for meat thats fresh, i expect it to be fresh, and not redated and old..
Yeah, I saw the same report, and it was a bit misleading.

The idea was that you're getting meat that is "old" or "unsafe" or "not fresh", when that is not always the case. Just because meat has not sold by the "sell by" date, does NOT mean the meat is suddenly 'old' and 'not fresh', when the day before the meat was perfectly alright. It isn't that simple because meat doesn't 'go bad' that quickly.

Just how long meat will stay fresh and sellable is dependent upon a number of factors. A friend of mine has worked in the meat industry for years, from small butchers and meat markets to the big supermarket chains. A few times every week, he pulls all the meat that has reached the 'sell by' date, and when he inspected the meat, some of the packages are perfectly fresh and in sellable condition and some packages are too near the end of their shelf-life. A knowledgable and experienced meat handler or butcher can tell the difference and judge how fresh meat is and estimate how much longer it will be safe to put back on the shelf.

It doesn't make any sense at all to throw out perfectly good meat that will be safe to put back on the shelf for a few more days, just because it reached the 'sell by' date. The USDA's guidelines for meat retailers concerning shelf-life are deliberately conservative in order to error on the side of safety. If followed to the letter, the result would be and is a lot of perfectly good meat being thrown away.

Of course, the problem is that employees may repackage or redate meat that should not be, either because they're too inexperienced or uninformed to properly judge the freshness of meat, or because of pressure to avoid loss of money in an industry where profit margins are very thin. But, these issues would exist whether or not laws and regulations were more strict about repackaging or redating meat.

I don't have any problem with meat that is still fresh being repackaged or redated. My problem is that there is pressure to hide the practice and mislead consumers. I used to patron an independent meat market where the butcher would not try to hide the fact that he repackaged or dated meat that he determined to still be fresh. There was a specific section of the display cooler where he would put all the meat that had been repackaged and he marked the price down by 20% or more.

That is the way ALL meat retailers should be allowed and encouraged to conduct their business.
 

bugsysiegel

Golden Member
Jan 11, 2001
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If you reply to an ad in the paper and it's a recruiting agency, the job doesn't exist, they are just leading you around and getting resumes on the off chance one of their cheap clients will stumble across a job which you are hard-up enough to take at the joke salary they offer.
 

kLezViruS

Senior member
May 15, 2002
626
0
0
Originally posted by: tcsenter
They are investigating, that MOST supermarket chains redate the meat and fish from 1-7 days from the original sell by date...To me thats kinda sick because when i am paying for meat thats fresh, i expect it to be fresh, and not redated and old..
Yeah, I saw the same report, and it was a bit misleading.

The idea was that you're getting meat that is "old" or "unsafe" or "not fresh", when that is not always the case. Just because meat has not sold by the "sell by" date, does NOT mean the meat is suddenly 'old' and 'not fresh', when the day before the meat was perfectly alright. It isn't that simple because meat doesn't 'go bad' that quickly.

Just how long meat will stay fresh and sellable is dependent upon a number of factors. A friend of mine has worked in the meat industry for years, from small butchers and meat markets to the big supermarket chains. A few times every week, he pulls all the meat that has reached the 'sell by' date, and when he inspected the meat, some of the packages are perfectly fresh and in sellable condition and some packages are too near the end of their shelf-life. A knowledgable and experienced meat handler or butcher can tell the difference and judge how fresh meat is and estimate how much longer it will be safe to put back on the shelf.

It doesn't make any sense at all to throw out perfectly good meat that will be safe to put back on the shelf for a few more days, just because it reached the 'sell by' date. The USDA's guidelines for meat retailers concerning shelf-life are deliberately conservative in order to error on the side of safety. If followed to the letter, the result would be and is a lot of perfectly good meat being thrown away.

Of course, the problem is that employees may repackage or redate meat that should not be, either because they're too inexperienced or uninformed to properly judge the freshness of meat, or because of pressure to avoid loss of money in an industry where profit margins are very thin. But, these issues would exist whether or not laws and regulations were more strict about repackaging or redating meat.

I don't have any problem with meat that is still fresh being repackaged or redated. My problem is that there is pressure to hide the practice and mislead consumers. I used to patron an independent meat market where the butcher would not try to hide the fact that he repackaged or dated meat that he determined to still be fresh. There was a specific section of the display cooler where he would put all the meat that had been repackaged and he marked the price down by 20% or more.

That is the way ALL meat retailers should be allowed and encouraged to conduct their business.


I agress with the part of the meat is still good why through it away, but you make another good point is when, what if the meat is bad and its still repackaged.

As for them blatantly lying saying they dont redate / repackage is where it gets me mad. :|
 

pyonir

Lifer
Dec 18, 2001
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it is a secret. why would i want to give away my secrets? that is why they are secrets.

 

Cerebus451

Golden Member
Nov 30, 2000
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Originally posted by: kLezViruS
Just wanted to add one from TV...

Is Your Fresh Meat / Fish Really Fresh?

They are investigating, that MOST supermarket chains redate the meat and fish from 1-7 days from the original sell by date.

To me thats kinda sick because when i am paying for meat thats fresh, i expect it to be fresh, and not redated and old..

Yuck!
Actually, and this is a few years old, one of the TV news shows (like 20/20, can't remember which one specifically) did a big story about Food Lion (grocery chain in the southeast, maybe elsewhere) where they actually had videotape of employees dipping bad meat into bleach to mask the smell, then repackaging and selling the meat. After that story ran I doubt any of the major chains would still be attempting this kind of thing, but you brought up the subject of grocery meat. I think the stores they were investigating were in North Carolina, but again the story is several years old and I can't remember all the details.
 

308nato

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When the cows tail sticks straight up in the air suddenly, you have about 2 nanoseconds till critical mass is reached.
 

Cerebus451

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Originally posted by: 308nato
When the cows tail sticks straight up in the air suddenly, you have about 2 nanoseconds till critical mass is reached.
So, did you come to this conclusion through empirical research?
 

308nato

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Feb 10, 2002
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Originally posted by: Cerebus451
Originally posted by: 308nato
When the cows tail sticks straight up in the air suddenly, you have about 2 nanoseconds till critical mass is reached.
So, did you come to this conclusion through empirical research?



No. Through being sh!t on a lot.

 

Snegbot

Member
Oct 25, 2001
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Whenever you fill out one of those contest entry forms you see at the mall, supermarket, etc. You are really just puting yourself on a telemarketer's list.

That's why they always ask your income
 

Cerebus451

Golden Member
Nov 30, 2000
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Originally posted by: 308nato
Originally posted by: Cerebus451
Originally posted by: 308nato
When the cows tail sticks straight up in the air suddenly, you have about 2 nanoseconds till critical mass is reached.
So, did you come to this conclusion through empirical research?



No. Through being sh!t on a lot.
Way to take one for the team. Now we all know.
 

CPA

Elite Member
Nov 19, 2001
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[/quote]
Actually, and this is a few years old, one of the TV news shows (like 20/20, can't remember which one specifically) did a big story about Food Lion (grocery chain in the southeast, maybe elsewhere) where they actually had videotape of employees dipping bad meat into bleach to mask the smell, then repackaging and selling the meat. After that story ran I doubt any of the major chains would still be attempting this kind of thing, but you brought up the subject of grocery meat. I think the stores they were investigating were in North Carolina, but again the story is several years old and I can't remember all the details.[/quote]


Weeks later it was also found out that the reporter/producer falsified information to get the job, edited tape to make it look like the repackaging was going on (when it wasn't) and also did some of his own bleach dipping and repackaging. If I recall, 60 minutes later apologized for their blatant lies and forgery.



Here's a secret, though hardly engrossing, many call center (utility company's and such) representatives will use the same first or last name. That way you don't have the exact name to retaliate and if you call back and ask specifically for "Martha" or "Ms. Jones" they can transfer you to one of many people.
 

Maetryx

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Jan 18, 2001
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Originally posted by: MadRat
<<I got paid about $15/hr and the client got charged about $40/hr.>>

Thats nothing. I've seen talent pools pay help desk guys $10/hour and charge the client $75/hour or better. Even that rate makes it hard for companies to justify a full time employee on staff. Have you seen what it costs to hire someone these days? They made little profit off that $40/hr than you probably thought.

Well, that was a very small shop. I know he made money off of me even with a "razor thin" $25/hr premium . Now I work for a big corporation with lots of overhead. They have trouble making a profit if the average utilization for the employees dips below 60% even though they're using a multiple of 3.5 for some of us.

Example:

Employee "M" gets $20/hr but the client pays $70/hr. But "M" also works on the computers and printers, spends time filling out timesheets and job opening forms, and occasionally posts to AnandTech. So "M" doesn't have client chargeable work for 100% of 40 hours each week. "M" often has abou 40 to 50% of billable work. This *should* be no problem, because "M" is paid only a fraction of his billing rate. Nevertheless, the corporation has lots of overhead because the regional vice president likes to fly up and stay at expensive hotels and take the entire office to lunch and then bill all that to the office where "M" works. So the math works out that "M" and everyone else needs to average a utilization rate of 60% or greater, even though the corporation appears to be taking in $50/hr whenever "M" is billable.

 

hoihtah

Diamond Member
Jan 12, 2001
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power steering fluid is really no different than brake fluid.

while you can purchase brake fluid for cheap... most places rip people off for powersteering fluid.
 

308nato

Platinum Member
Feb 10, 2002
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[/quote]
Way to take one for the team. Now we all know.[/quote]


No prob. Could be useful for you someday.

 

kLezViruS

Senior member
May 15, 2002
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Originally posted by: hoihtah
power steering fluid is really no different than brake fluid.

while you can purchase brake fluid for cheap... most places rip people off for powersteering fluid.

Wow i did not know that.

Is it for ALL brands or just certain brands?
 
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