Pot-smoking hippies

[sao123]

You apparently missed my entire post. I said that stoners don't kill to get high, they kill to get rich. Any bum can afford weed if that is what he was addicted too. But i've never met a bum addicted to weed. Not that they wouldn't smoke it if you offered it to them, but they want something with a lot more kick. I don't know why I'm rationally responding to you at this point, but I think that for most of my posts here.

Maybe because your life experience in your small world block radius of 30 meters in any direction does not mimic real world data.

We aint living in that shit your thinking about with woodstock and the 50-60s and just a bunch of lazys smokin and doin nothin.

Its a myth that stoners never get violent...

This younger generation is impatient, and will do anything for their next fix, including violent crime.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

Maybe because your life experience in your small world block radius of 30 meters in any direction does not mimic real world data.

ad hominim unrelated to any point

We aint living in that shit your thinking about with woodstock and the 50-60s

this can not be rationally derived from the post

and just a bunch of lazys smokin and doin nothin.

You got one thing right marijuana abuse will lower your standards for achievement; Only someone without experience or heavily addicted would argue otherwise.

Its a myth that stoners never get violent...

It's a fact that any group of people will do anything. The correlation is not causation.

This younger generation is impatient, and will do anything for their next fix, including violent crime.

No one has to commit crime for the much-more physically addictive substance of tobacco. This is because it is legal cheep and we reduce consumption through social persuasion instead of socially detrimental prohibition.

 

[Flash1969]

Snipped.

As I read your post I pictured Sheldon Cooper typing it

 

[bfdd]

Maybe because your life experience in your small world block radius of 30 meters in any direction does not mimic real world data.

We aint living in that shit your thinking about with woodstock and the 50-60s and just a bunch of lazys smokin and doin nothin.

Its a myth that stoners never get violent...

This younger generation is impatient, and will do anything for their next fix, including violent crime.

Sounds like your life experience is a small world block my friend. I smoke pounds of weed a year, pounds. I work every day in an office with a fucking desk and a phone and budgets all that fancy shit. You know what I do to get my "fix" I work because I'm not a piece of shit. You seem to be confusing pieces of shit with real people, but then again I heard you types can only smell your own.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

As I read your post I pictured Sheldon Cooper typing it

... you should try arguing the difference between a Slurpee and a Slushy with me.

 

[bfdd]

DixyCrat, I actually find the lower standard of achievement to have helped me in life. It made things more "realistic". Now I actually feel like I can get shit done because I don't have to meet some "unrealistic" demand.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

I believe you bfdd; generally there's definitively a social norm of having unrealistically high standards that is detrimental to the well-being of some people; But by the same token,

Pink Floyd offers a sage warning against letting our life slip past us:

Ticking away the moments that make up a dull day
You fritter and waste the hours in an offhand way.
Kicking around on a piece of ground in your home town
Waiting for someone or something to show you the way.

Tired of lying in the sunshine staying home to watch the rain.
You are young and life is long and there is time to kill today.
And then one day you find ten years have got behind you.
No one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun.

So if you let your life slip away your epitaph will read

The time is gone, the song is over,
Thought I'd something more to say.

I'm not trying to demonize; just raise a point of caution because of what I've seen others do.

 

[bfdd]

Oh yeah, I hear that and that's what I mean. I've stepped it up since cannabis has become a bigger part of my life. Mind you I didn't start smoking to get high and recreational reasons. I did that, but very sparingly because I used to work in an industry that randomly drug tested me twice a month. I started smoking to not have to take the shitty meds they prescribed me for my IBS and to relieve the pain I get from the cramps and what not. Since then it just grew on me. If anything I believe it has made me a better person. YMMV though and I do know people who really just aren't good on it and don't like it very much.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

... and that's how you have a reasonable, rational, conversation with someone.

 

[ch33zw1z]

ERM... NO.

Making pot legal doesnt make it free. Legal/Illegal, addicted stoners must still Kill or Rob to get their next fix because apparently not working doesnt pay them enough to maintain their habit.

How's that government funded bullshit taste? MMMMMmmmmm...does it need more lies to make it tastier?

 

[TechBoyJK]

How's that government funded bullshit taste? MMMMMmmmmm...does it need more lies to make it tastier?

It's like he doesn't realize he's trolling. His statements are almost as unbelievable as someone coming in here attempting to refute the fact that the earth is round.

It's almost not worth replying too because he keeps saying "I KNOW IT CAUSES VIOLENCE. NAH NAH NAH"

 

[slightlyhuman]

Glad there are a few people in here that can fill a thread with logic that isn't broken. It's not for every one. If you take care of your shit on and daily basis and aren't a total piece of shit it doesn't matter if you smoke reefer in your off time. Sure, people are criminalized for it and even do crazy acts involving it. Don't feed me or any one else the bull shit about it makes people violent. Anything will make someone violent. Look at black friday, people are RUTHLESS to save $50 on a fucking TV. It has nothing to do with MJ, but the mighty dollar.

So sao123, go fuck yourself. Hal9k can assist you in that.

 

[bfdd]

Glad there are a few people in here that can fill a thread with logic that isn't broken. It's not for every one. If you take care of your shit on and daily basis and aren't a total piece of shit it doesn't matter if you smoke reefer in your off time. Sure, people are criminalized for it and even do crazy acts involving it. Don't feed me or any one else the bull shit about it makes people violent. Anything will make someone violent. Look at black friday, people are RUTHLESS to save $50 on a fucking TV. It has nothing to do with MJ, but the mighty dollar.

So sao123, go fuck yourself. Hal9k can assist you in that.

amen. i handle business, i smoke reefer, if anyone has an issue with it. fuck you. i dont have any issue with what you do as long as you aren't leeching on society.

 

[ra990]

ERM... NO.

Making pot legal doesnt make it free. Legal/Illegal, addicted stoners must still Kill or Rob to get their next fix because apparently not working doesnt pay them enough to maintain their habit.

SAO you'd be surprised how many of the professionals you come in contact with smoke pot. Since it carries a stigma, people aren't open about it. I know several professionals, probably way more successful than you are, who regularly toke. That includes doctors, lawyers, business men, teachers, hell I've even heard of certain CEOs who are into it. Don't be so ignorant. Pot has nothing to do with people not working or being lazy.

Also, pot is about as addictive as chocolate. Nobody would resort to any type of violence to acquire a "pot fix". I don't know what the hell you're on about. LOL

 

[zinfamous]

SAO you'd be surprised how many of the professionals you come in contact with smoke pot. Since it carries a stigma, people aren't open about it. I know several professionals, probably way more successful than you are, who regularly toke. That includes doctors, lawyers, business men, teachers, hell I've even heard of certain CEOs who are into it. Don't be so ignorant. Pot has nothing to do with people not working or being lazy.

Also, pot is about as addictive as chocolate. Nobody would resort to any type of violence to acquire a "pot fix". I don't know what the hell you're on about. LOL

I know several PhD's that are no strangers to the herb, and a few of them that earned their PhDs while taking regular, almost daily tokes in the evenings. These aren't liberal arts people, either--I'm talking MoBio, Chemistry, Physics and such.

Now, I know myself and know that I could never be that kind of user and function at the same level.

I also know that there was a strong correlation between my sudden grade improvement with organic chemistry and calculus and my adoption of the herb while in college. For most that use it, it very much does open up those processing centers of your brain.

I liken in to restoring that untainted level of thinking of which children are capable--true freedom of creativity where, magically, the many years of life experience and rules have restricted those openly creative thoughts, are suddenly, again, allowed to enter into your mental state. These are indeed the most simple type of mental thought processes that, as adults, we tend to ignore simply because they violate the fundamental truths that we have come to know, or simply because of long-held assumptions that certainly may not be true.

There are certain levels of genius that tend to think this way, without any aid--challenging the status quo and such. For some, especially some highly-educated, highly functional individuals, MJ is an effective vehicle for reaching that state of pondering, if used appropriately.

 

[TechBoyJK]

I know several PhD's that are no strangers to the herb, and a few of them that earned their PhDs while taking regular, almost daily tokes in the evenings. These are liberal arts people, either--I'm talking MoBio, Chemistry, Physics and such.

Now, I know myself and know that I could never be that kind of user and function at the same level.

I also know that there was a strong correlation between my sudden grade improvement with organic chemistry and calculus and my adoption of the herb while in college. For most that use it, it very much does open up those processing centers of your brain.

I liken in to restoring that untainted level of thinking of which children are capable--true freedom of creativity where, magically, the many years of life experience and rules have restricted those openly creative thoughts, are suddenly, again, allowed to enter into your mental state. These are indeed the most simple type of mental thought processes that, as adults, we tend to ignore simply because they violate the fundamental truths that we have come to know, or simply because of long-held assumptions that certainly may not be true.

There are certain levels of genius that tend to think this way, without any aid--challenging the status quo and such. For some, especially some highly-educated, highly functional individuals, MJ is an effective vehicle for reaching that state of pondering, if used appropriately.

Yep! This is why I don't necessarily take the idea of 'mind altering' to be a bad thing.

There's mind 'ruining' which many could say ecstasy does since it actually damages the brain and serotonin levels.. but marijuana hasn't really been shown to do anything so drastic unless it's massive intakes of it for many many years (in which case many other factors could also lead to the measurable declines of mental capacity).

Pot may be mind altering, but for many people that actually lands on the side of mind 'enhancing'.

It's a way to push yourself outside of the box.

When I used to smoke more often, I'd toke a little bit after racking my brain over a coding project. I would do it simply to force myself to look at things in a different light. I toked up, knowing that I would immediately have a different perspective.

 

[bfdd]

I know several PhD's that are no strangers to the herb, and a few of them that earned their PhDs while taking regular, almost daily tokes in the evenings. These aren't liberal arts people, either--I'm talking MoBio, Chemistry, Physics and such.

Now, I know myself and know that I could never be that kind of user and function at the same level.

I also know that there was a strong correlation between my sudden grade improvement with organic chemistry and calculus and my adoption of the herb while in college. For most that use it, it very much does open up those processing centers of your brain.

I liken in to restoring that untainted level of thinking of which children are capable--true freedom of creativity where, magically, the many years of life experience and rules have restricted those openly creative thoughts, are suddenly, again, allowed to enter into your mental state. These are indeed the most simple type of mental thought processes that, as adults, we tend to ignore simply because they violate the fundamental truths that we have come to know, or simply because of long-held assumptions that certainly may not be true.

There are certain levels of genius that tend to think this way, without any aid--challenging the status quo and such. For some, especially some highly-educated, highly functional individuals, MJ is an effective vehicle for reaching that state of pondering, if used appropriately.

My gasteroenterologist is an older gentleman who let me know that some of his old college friends, one of who happens to be part of California State Senate(I don't know who though) still partake.

 

[Grooveriding]

If it is illegal, then it should stay illegal.

Maybe where you live. Where I live possession for personal use is not illegal and many other countries are the same.

Maybe it's where you live that needs to change their laws.

 

[Joepublic2]

If you think that smoking weed makes you hungry, unmotivated and lethargic you've probably just gotten heavy indica strains with a high CBD/THC ratio which is common for low cost weed because the indica plant is smaller (easier to conceal) and yields better wrt gram of bud/watt of discharge lamp or pound of bud/acre of land. Try a good sativa; they light a fire under most people's asses. If you compared a indica to a downer like xanax then you could compare sativa to cocaine.

No genius, do you think I would be this lucid were I high?

No, but I would hazard a guess that I'm more lucid than you at the moment and I'm high.

 

[Joepublic2]

I dont believe it does... I know it does.

My wife is a forensic scientists for the PSP. 95% of her case work is all violent crime. A large majority of that is drug related... including Marijuana.

Smoking it? Sometimes directly.

Unable to, or needing to commit armed robbery or armed home invasion or fights (assault & battery) to get the money to get the next high, is the leading cause of voilent crime. So yes, id call that addiction directly responsible.

So what you're really saying is that person does violent crime A, and tests positive for drug metabolites B in their system?

 

[sao123]

So what you're really saying is that person does violent crime A, and tests positive for drug metabolites B in their system?

huh?


so obviously you dont know what a plea bargain is...

 

[Joepublic2]

so obviously you dont know what a plea bargain is...

I actually do know quite a bit about the law. You said your wife was a forensic scientist and she finds that a large percentage of criminals test positive for THC in their system, which doesn't do anything to establish cannabis as a causative factor in their behavior because:

1) It has the longest half life of pretty much any drug around because it's metabolites are fat soluble, whereas most other recreational drugs have water soluble metabolites. I can smoke a joint and fail a THC drug test two weeks later, but cocaine leaves the system completely within about 3 days and ethanol is VERY rapidly eliminated as it and its metabolites are toxic.

2) There's definitely a political agenda behind demonizing the demon weed and other drugs, to the extend that prosecutors will regularly tell defendants that if they claim "the drugs made them do it" the judge will go easier on them.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

I actually do know quite a bit about the law. You said your wife was a forensic scientist and she finds that a large percentage of criminals test positive for THC in their system, which doesn't do anything to establish cannabis as a causative factor in their behavior because:

1) It has the longest half life of pretty much any drug around because it's metabolites are fat soluble, whereas most other recreational drugs have water soluble metabolites. I can smoke a joint and fail a THC drug test two weeks later, but cocaine leaves the system completely within about 3 days and ethanol is VERY rapidly eliminated as it and its metabolites are toxic.

2) There's definitely a political agenda behind demonizing the demon weed and other drugs, to the extend that prosecutors will regularly tell defendants that if they claim "the drugs made them do it" the judge will go easier on them.

I'll bet they all drank Coke or Pepsi too. Damn filthy soda drinkers. There aughta be a law.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

I'll bet they all drank Coke or Pepsi too. Damn filthy soda drinkers. There aughta be a law.

The relationship between the THC and violent crime is different because a minority of people smoke pot but a majority of violent criminals smoke pot. In your soda analogy a normal distribution of soda drinkers overlaps in no higher degree with a normal distribution of violent criminals.

I see no logical causal mechanism between marijuana consumption and later personal violent activity; so the argument that the relationship does not show any sort of causation may well hold.

But the logic used in your argument is faulty.

I think a better argument would be that while the proportion of violent-criminals that have THC in their system is higher than the population: The violent tendencies of an individual are in no way logically related to the intoxicating effects of marijuana.

Rather, many poor people, being poorly educated and lacking hope in life, have a greater tendency to lash-out and try to cope: something that manifests itself in intoxication of many kinds and violence.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

DixyCrat, you must be a blast at parties.
The point was poking fun at the ludicrous idea that smoking marijuana has any causal link to violent criminal behavior. Perhaps if those so adamantly against its use were to try it themselves, they might understand why. Personally, I think they've watched 'Reefer Madness' a few too many times.

Neither you, I nor, anyone else, will EVER convince the rabid anti pot folks with logic, like sao123, that marijuana isn't the 'debil.' The only recourse is to ridicule their silly ideas and encourage them to keep it to themselves.