Potent Pot

Riprorin

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Just say "no".

Potent Pot

Kathy Kriz (Rochester, NY) 11/22/04 - The image of marijuana as a harmless drug is slowly changing. Today's pot is different from what people smoked in the sixties and seventies. It's stronger and some even say it's dangerous.

One young man we?ll call Mitch took up hockey at age five, learned football at age nine and when he was fourteen, he tried pot.

"In the beginning, I didn't pay for it at all, and I would only use around certain people," Mitch said.

Marijuana plants look different now. Often, they are grown in water, indoors resulting in more powerful pot.

In government funded studies, scientists evaluating confiscated pot found an increased percentage of tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) in the drug making it about five times stronger than it was in the seventies.

Another study from Columbia University said "...the drug's increased potency appears to be sending more teens into treatment facilities."

We investigated...and learned the number of Monroe County teens in treatment for marijuana abuse more than tripled in the past decade.

Craig Johnson runs the drug-alcohol recovery program at the Monroe County Jail.

Johnson said, "Regardless of the concentration, you're really dealing with the same drug. So, I'd think any correlation between stronger marijuana and higher rates of dependency would be a very weak one."

However, Colleen Berg who counsels teens at a Brighton facility said, "The quality is better, the THC content is higher and therefore teens can get hooked quicker."

Others in the field argue more teens are in treatment because their parents don't have time to help; there are fewer prevention programs; or, kids are smoking pot at a younger age.

There is no consensus.

Mitch's habit grew so regular, he estimated he spent $45 on pot each day.

He said, "I believe I was addicted to it. You can't tell me I wasn't because I know what I was feeling.?

Mitch eventually quit, after three rounds of counseling.

"I feel more comfortable with myself,? he said, ?I feel more relaxed."

Forty-one percent of high school students who answered a Monroe County Health Department Youth Risk Behavior Survey in 2003 said they've used marijuana.

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Lifer
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The "Just Say No" propaganda is just as effective as abstience. People need to know WHY it's bad for you. Our schools need to go more in-depth than just, it's bad for your lungs. In any event the potentcy has been this high in europe for years hasn't it? Oh, and as far as I know weed is a completely addictive psychologically.
 

BBond

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Everything is addictive physhologically. Food is. Chocolate is.

Watch out for that new high potency chocolate. Just say no.

 

Orsorum

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Anything in certain amounts is dangerous, of course. There are some specific activities that i personally believe adults should be allowed to partake in (i.e. marijuana, pornography) that children, because of their stage of emotional, physical, social, and moral development, should not be allowed access to.
 

Gen Stonewall

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Legalizing marijuana will only increase the number of people using it. It has no benefit to anyone and probably should stay illegal (especially since it is not widely used in the mainstream populace).

Even more important than that, it seems that Rip lives only a few miles away from me. What town do you live in (or are you in the city)?
 

BBond

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I believe the pharmaceutical benefits of pot should be investigated. Aspirin comes from a plant -- so do most other drugs we take for granted. The efficacy of pot as a pain reliever is well documented. To keep an effective NON-NARCOTIC drug off the market because some people still believe the BS from "Reefer Madness" is ludicrous.

 

chrisms

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Originally posted by: Gen Stonewall
Legalizing marijuana will only increase the number of people using it. It has no benefit to anyone and probably should stay illegal (especially since it is not widely used in the mainstream populace).

Even more important than that, it seems that Rip lives only a few miles away from me. What town do you live in (or are you in the city)?

No offense, but you are niave on the subject. Many more people than you would expect smoke pot. In fact, most of the people I know (young and old) smoke pot. And I'm not just hanging around stoners.

It is a benefit to people. It is relaxing and enjoyable, just like a glass of wine (except less harmful than alcohol).

This article is absurd because the only reason the treatment centers have more people is because they are ordered there by the courts. Nobody goes to rehab for marijuana on their own accord unless they have other drug problems along with it.

As far as legalization increasing use, that is also absurd. As a teenager I first smoked pot in middle school. I didn't get drunk until I was a sophomore in high school. Making it illegal simply gives the government less control over who gets it and who doesn't. A dealer isn't going to check ID, but the liquor store is.
 

Gen Stonewall

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No offense, but you are niave on the subject. Many more people than you would expect smoke pot. In fact, most of the people I know (young and old) smoke pot. And I'm not just hanging around stoners.

A different background than me come from you do. But if smoke pot you do, as jumbled as these sentences your brain will become.
 

b0mbrman

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Originally posted by: Gen Stonewall
No offense, but you are niave on the subject. Many more people than you would expect smoke pot. In fact, most of the people I know (young and old) smoke pot. And I'm not just hanging around stoners.
A different background than me come from you do. But if smoke pot you do, as jumbled as these sentences your brain will become.
Link?
 

Alistar7

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This link does not consitute my endorsement of the use of marijuana, it is intended only to be used in conjunction with the discussion in the thread. You can use the information there to review current potency levels of the many hybrid strains of marijuana available in the world at this moment.

http://www.emeryseeds.com/
 

Gen Stonewall

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Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Originally posted by: Gen Stonewall
No offense, but you are niave on the subject. Many more people than you would expect smoke pot. In fact, most of the people I know (young and old) smoke pot. And I'm not just hanging around stoners.
A different background than me come from you do. But if smoke pot you do, as jumbled as these sentences your brain will become.
Link?

:roll:
 

PatboyX

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Originally posted by: Gen Stonewall
Legalizing marijuana will only increase the number of people using it. It has no benefit to anyone and probably should stay illegal (especially since it is not widely used in the mainstream populace).

Even more important than that, it seems that Rip lives only a few miles away from me. What town do you live in (or are you in the city)?

from what ive read, pot would serve no purpose if legalized. very few uses and none of those are proven.
at the same time...i see no reason not to legalize it ala liquor.
 

myusername

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Also, I'm looking at marc emery and not seeing anything even though I've been clicking away, Alistar.
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: PatboyX
Originally posted by: Gen Stonewall
Legalizing marijuana will only increase the number of people using it. It has no benefit to anyone and probably should stay illegal (especially since it is not widely used in the mainstream populace).

Even more important than that, it seems that Rip lives only a few miles away from me. What town do you live in (or are you in the city)?

from what ive read, pot would serve no purpose if legalized. very few uses and none of those are proven.
at the same time...i see no reason not to legalize it ala liquor.

Tell that to cancer patients, MS patients, glaucoma patients, people who suffer from migrane headaches, and people who live in chronic pain.

But the US pharmaceutical industry would rather have you take Vioxx and drop dead from a heart attack than use that evil weed. LMAO

 

Alistar7

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Second largest cash crop in America, don't you think the taxes would help this country, let alone the extra cash being infused into the economy? Then you have prisons with @ 70% of the people being non violent drug offenders at a tremendous cost.
 

Alistar7

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Originally posted by: myusername
Also, I'm looking at marc emery and not seeing anything even though I've been clicking away, Alistar.

not seeing anything? not sure exactly what you mean by that, please explain.
 

Stunt

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Do you know what is killing far more people than pot and is bad for you?...the crap you breathe in everyday with your air. Thats right...so take your d!ck out of the admin's a$$ and promote improvements to government policy. Riprorin has done nothing but support the admin in every situation and issue. I dare you to state 5 significant things you dislike about your current government. I am happy with mine yet can still be a critic. I'm sorry but it's like you look at all the minor issues and dicard the true role of government.

Asthma Study

asthma prevalence has increased in 15 years from 30 in 1000 to 60 in 1000.
emergency room visits are going up drastically.
death rates due to asthma have quadrupled in the last 20 years.

All these trends will continue and place a burden on the economy. Think of the cost of all these additoinal doctors and treatments. It's quite staggering and not much press is made about it.

look how it affects you today:

Asthma?s Annual Impact in the United States

*Approximately 5,000 deaths annually

*Two million emergency department visits

*Nearly 500,000 hospitalizations

*14 million missed school days

* 14.5 million missed work days

*$14 billion in medical and indirect expenses
 

imported_hscorpio

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Marijuana plants look different now. Often, they are grown in water, indoors resulting in more powerful pot.

In government funded studies, scientists evaluating confiscated pot found an increased percentage of tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) in the drug making it about five times stronger than it was in the seventies.
Marijuana is the same today as it has been ages. The only thing thats changed is the technology/info that allows the plants to achieve their highest potential so to speak.

There are two common phenotypes in cannabis, sativa and indica. In the 60's-70's most of the pot was imported from mexico/south america and largely all of that was sativa. That same pot is still here today but is considered "schwag" or low quality "mexican brick weed". It is usually brownish colored, compressed and contains seeds and stems. The quality of this pot has more to do with how its grown and harvested than the plants themselves. It is possible to grow these plants using modern techniques and get a high quality product.

The high quality pot of today is most likely sensimilla (no seeds) homegrown in the US or imported from Canada. This pot is usually the indica type or an indica/sativa hybrid. Most modern "high potency" strains are derived from afghan-based crosses. Remember that pot has been selectively bred in areas like afghanistan or nepal for generations.

This "new" pot is grown indoors often using hydroponics. The plants are pampered and harvested carefully. The harvested product looks different than the mexican brick weed because it is never processed and compressed the same way.

There is also a difference in effects from sativas and indicas when smoked. Indicas are usually considered more medicinal/stronger and are known for causing "couch lock". Within the medical marijuana world, many argue that stronger pot is actually safer since it requires inhaling less smoke.

I want to know how these studies determine the potency of pot from the 60's. They are probably testing old samples that have degraded over the years. There are surviving pot strains from the 60's that are highly regarded to those in the know.

I suggest anyone even remotely interested in this issue to visit overgrow.com to find a ton of info about the different types/potencies of marijuana.

 

myusername

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Originally posted by: Alistar7
Originally posted by: myusername
Also, I'm looking at marc emery and not seeing anything even though I've been clicking away, Alistar.
not seeing anything? not sure exactly what you mean by that, please explain.
Well I saw a lot of weed and a lot of seed, but I didn't see anything about potency, other than hyperbole as a sales device by the various vendors.
 

Stunt

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RANT PART #2

In other words go find a REAL problem...like smoking or drinking...

Deaths due to Drugs:

Tobacco (Average 1990 - 94): ................................. 430,700 (1)
Alcohol (1996): ................................................. 110,640 (2)
Adverse Reactions to Prescription Drugs (1982 / 1998): .. 32,000 (3)
Suicide (1998): .................................................. 30,575 (4)
Homicide (1998): ............................................... 18,272 (5)
All licit and illicit drug-induced deaths (1998): ............. 16,926 (6)
Non-Steroidal Anti- Inflammatory Drugs (1992):............ 7,600 (7)
Marijuana: ...................................................... 0 (8)

Deaths in the US:

Tobacco 435,000
Poor Diet and Physical Inactivity 400,000
Alcohol 85,000 / 101,653
Microbial Agents 75,000
Toxic Agents 55,000
Motor Vehicle Crashes 43,000 / 26,347
Adverse Reactions to Prescription Drugs 32,000
Suicide 30,622
Incidents Involving Firearms 29,000
Homicide 20,308
Sexual Behaviors 20,000
All Illicit Drug Use, Direct and Indirect 17,0001,
Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs Such As Aspirin 7,600
Marijuana 0
 
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