Potent Pot

[imported_hscorpio]

Go here for strain info:
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and here.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: myusername

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: myusername
Also, I'm looking at marc emery and not seeing anything even though I've been clicking away, Alistar.

not seeing anything? not sure exactly what you mean by that, please explain.

Well I saw a lot of weed and a lot of seed, but I didn't see anything about potency, other than hyperbole as a sales device by the various vendors.

You will find much more on the cannabis forum linked on the site, as well as many of the other links to various related sites. I apologize for not digging that deep and giving direct ones, but anything you would want to know can be found through the links provided on the site.

 

[Tab]

First of all

1)Prove to me weed is not as bad as alcholol.

2)Any statistics relating to weed related deaths are irrevalent, find me a active MJ smoker who doesn't activily smoke tobacco.

Weed WILL NEVER be legalized, its just as bad as tabacco which IMHO tabacco is the worst thing in the world today.

 

[imported_hscorpio]

Originally posted by: Tabb
2)Any statistics relating to weed related deaths are irrevalent

No they are very relevant. The point of those statistics is that pot is not very TOXIC. The point is that the toxicity of pot is so low that it appears to be impossible to consume enough of it to die. It is very easy to consume a lethal amount of alcohol though as the deaths of recent college students show.

 

[imported_hscorpio]

Originally posted by: Tabb


1)Prove to me weed is not as bad as alcholol.

Can you provide a link like this that talks about marijuana overdose?

 

[myusername]

Originally posted by: Tabb
First of all

1)Prove to me weed is not as bad as alcholol.

It's been done many times before. No point posting links to informatiuon you've already read and dismissed.

2)Any statistics relating to weed related deaths are irrevalent, find me a active MJ smoker who doesn't activily smoke tobacco.

I have known a couple.

Weed WILL NEVER be legalized,

Not until the fundies are wiped from the planet. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

its just as bad as tabacco

Tobacco is a much more addictive and dangerous product than marijuana. I can tell you this not only because I've read the literature, but because I've smoked both.

which IMHO tabacco is the worst thing in the world today.

Sure, it's smelly, nasty, addictive, and fills the pockets of the sort of people I don't like with cash, but I would have to say that much as that is the case, it's far from the worse thing in the world.

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: Tabb
First of all

1)Prove to me weed is not as bad as alcholol.

2)Any statistics relating to weed related deaths are irrevalent, find me a active MJ smoker who doesn't activily smoke tobacco.

Weed WILL NEVER be legalized, its just as bad as tabacco which IMHO tabacco is the worst thing in the world today.

First of all...

1) Prove to me weed is bad at all...not even relative to alcohol.

2) hahahahah, nice assumption ...all my friends i know who smoke pot, don't smoke cigs.
im 21, quite popular and attend one of the most prestigious universities in the country (highest acceptance averages)

tell me, where are you getting this interesting statistic from.

oh and 40% of ppl ages 18-19 have smoked up in the last year in Canada. With these staggering numbers, discrediting it should be easy...prove it is actually bad for you. (Weed has been used since 2700BC...)

 

[datalink7]

Originally posted by: Tabb

find me a active MJ smoker who doesn't activily smoke tobacco.
.

Come visit me and I'll show you 20.

 

[illustri]

I could go for some potent pot right now, who knows i might even see jeebus and become born again. Why won't the christian right endorse it?

/potent potABLES?
/celeb jeapardy?

 

[myusername]

While it isn't pertinant to objective discussion, the argument always comes out "sure you want to legalize pot - you're an addicted dopehead", I think it is worth pointing out the following:

I used to smoke it .. daily for a period of time. With the exception of one exceptionally long lasting brownie (boy was I feeling embarassed that morning), I haven't ever been high at work since college (i.e. at a "real" job). My real job sucked, and it helped me unwind.

Sure it was an absolute waste of time, and I should have been doing something productive, but as long as I'm paying rent and taxes and not setting fire to things to release tension, it's my life to waste. If look back in a couple decades and see where it got me, well, that's my life to regret.

I don't smoke anymore; as I've aged, I've found that more and more it proves to be an unpleasant experience, physically and mentally.

It comes down to freedom, choice, and the ability of human beings to explore their own bodies and environments as their own.

I, for one, believe in these rights.

.. and yes, I saw God once. It was a rather illuminating experience, to say the least.

 

[Alistar7]

How was he dressed?

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: Alistar7
How was he dressed?

When I saw him he was wearing a really fine silk Hawaiian shirt with a pair of cut-offs and sandals, smoking a big spliff.

 

[imported_hscorpio]

Originally posted by: myusername

I don't smoke anymore; as I've aged, I've found that more and more it proves to be an unpleasant experience, physically and mentally.

It comes down to freedom, choice, and the ability of human beings to explore their own bodies and environments as their own.

This seems to be the case with a lot of pot smokers. They start in their teens but most grow out of it by their late 20's-early 30's.

This is a key difference between pot and tobacco. Most tobacco users start off in their teens also, but they can't "grow out of it" so easily. Tobacco is so addicting that most smokers continue smoking even after they reach the point in their life where they no longer want to smoke.

 

[Alistar7]

That was Bob Marley, his connection.

 

[zzzz]

I wonder if the taleban free drugs grown in Afganistan are stronger.

 

[myusername]

Originally posted by: Alistar7
How was he dressed?

Couldn't see him, he was too bright. Though quite honestly, his nature is so overwhelming (though not gendered), that it would be almost impossible to even think about something like clothing in his presence.

It did answer all those niggling questions about disparate factions coexisting peacefully together in heaven though.

Originally posted by: hscorpio

This is a key difference between pot and tobacco. Most tobacco users start off in their teens also, but they can't "grow out of it" so easily. Tobacco is so addicting that most smokers continue smoking even after they reach the point in their life where they no longer want to smoke.[/quote]

Tell me about it. I just picked up again after 6 months gonna try to quit over thanksgiving, which will be my umm ... probably 5th shot at it.

 

[Rainsford]

Most people who are against pot feel that way because they don't know enough about pot to make an educated decision. I personally tried it once and haven't used it since (alcohol is legal, after all). But I also like to look at the facts, and the dirth little secret of our "war on drugs" is that the negative effects of pot simply don't justify all the money we put into fighting it.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: myusername

Originally posted by: Alistar7
How was he dressed?

Couldn't see him, he was too bright. Though quite honestly, his nature is so overwhelming (though not gendered), that it would be almost impossible to even think about something like clothing in his presence.

It did answer all those niggling questions about disparate factions coexisting peacefully together in heaven though.

Originally posted by: hscorpio

This is a key difference between pot and tobacco. Most tobacco users start off in their teens also, but they can't "grow out of it" so easily. Tobacco is so addicting that most smokers continue smoking even after they reach the point in their life where they no longer want to smoke.

Tell me about it. I just picked up again after 6 months gonna try to quit over thanksgiving, which will be my umm ... probably 5th shot at it.[/quote]


Nobody likes a quiter.....

 

[myusername]

yeah but they like smokers even less

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: myusername
yeah but they like smokers even less

they wouldnt like their tax burden without them though.

 

[Steeplerot]

WTF diffrence does it make if it's potent or not?
It's not like you can OD on really good sh|t... oh no rip! people will get REALLY hungry how horrible!

 

[stratman]

Originally posted by: myusername

Originally posted by: Tabb
First of all

1)Prove to me weed is not as bad as alcholol.

It's been done many times before. No point posting links to informatiuon you've already read and dismissed.

2)Any statistics relating to weed related deaths are irrevalent, find me a active MJ smoker who doesn't activily smoke tobacco.

I have known a couple.

Weed WILL NEVER be legalized,

Not until the fundies are wiped from the planet. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

its just as bad as tabacco

Tobacco is a much more addictive and dangerous product than marijuana. I can tell you this not only because I've read the literature, but because I've smoked both.

which IMHO tabacco is the worst thing in the world today.

Sure, it's smelly, nasty, addictive, and fills the pockets of the sort of people I don't like with cash, but I would have to say that much as that is the case, it's far from the worse thing in the world.

"I've known a couple."

I used to smoke marijuana. I year after I stopped smoking weed, I took my first and last puff of tabacco. For about the first year I smoked weed, I didn't even drink alchohol, so don't think weed smokers do all sorts of other stuff, too.

Maybe it's just a Canadian thing, but many, many, people here smoke weed that don't smoke cigarettes.

I first smoked weed when I was 12, and I last smoked weed when I was 16. I stopped because I was worried it would hurt my schoolwork. Stopping was easy, and I have no idea whether it would've actually hurt my schoolwork or not -- but for me, weed wasn't worth the risk. In total, I probably smoked around 20 times.

I'm 18 now, an engineering student at a good university (just saying this so you guys don't assume I'm some burnout )

I don't support marijuana at all -- indeed, I would not want my (eventual) kids smoking it, and for some reason, whether blind bias or not, I prefer hanging out with people who don't smoke.

But I think the American gov't is waaayyy too hard on people who do smoke. Prison time for smoking weed sounds absolutely rediculous to my Canadian mind. If I was jailed (obviously they wouldn't jail a juvenile, but for argument's sake) when I was 15, it would've ruined my family and ruined my future.

I just think that for a non-addictive act/substance, the government should let the individual choose the right path. The government hasn't made procrastinating, sex before marriage, or porn illegal, so why marijuana?

Can't it just give us the facts rather than be our babysitter and make the decision for us?

 

[B00ne]

Originally posted by: hscorpio

Marijuana plants look different now. Often, they are grown in water, indoors resulting in more powerful pot.

In government funded studies, scientists evaluating confiscated pot found an increased percentage of tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) in the drug making it about five times stronger than it was in the seventies.

Marijuana is the same today as it has been ages. The only thing thats changed is the technology/info that allows the plants to achieve their highest potential so to speak.

There are two common phenotypes in cannabis, sativa and indica. In the 60's-70's most of the pot was imported from mexico/south america and largely all of that was sativa. That same pot is still here today but is considered "schwag" or low quality "mexican brick weed". It is usually brownish colored, compressed and contains seeds and stems. The quality of this pot has more to do with how its grown and harvested than the plants themselves. It is possible to grow these plants using modern techniques and get a high quality product.

The high quality pot of today is most likely sensimilla (no seeds) homegrown in the US or imported from Canada. This pot is usually the indica type or an indica/sativa hybrid. Most modern "high potency" strains are derived from afghan-based crosses. Remember that pot has been selectively bred in areas like afghanistan or nepal for generations.

This "new" pot is grown indoors often using hydroponics. The plants are pampered and harvested carefully. The harvested product looks different than the mexican brick weed because it is never processed and compressed the same way.

There is also a difference in effects from sativas and indicas when smoked. Indicas are usually considered more medicinal/stronger and are known for causing "couch lock". Within the medical marijuana world, many argue that stronger pot is actually safer since it requires inhaling less smoke.

I want to know how these studies determine the potency of pot from the 60's. They are probably testing old samples that have degraded over the years. There are surviving pot strains from the 60's that are highly regarded to those in the know.

I suggest anyone even remotely interested in this issue to visit overgrow.com to find a ton of info about the different types/potencies of marijuana.

Sorry but this is not true. Maybe in the US but not here in Europe. The pot from the 60-70s had 2-5% THC the professional bred high grade stuff from Holland (which is like THE pot engineering place) nowadays reaches up to 30% THC content. Now tell me again it is the same as it has always been. BTW every year more kids are hospitalized with some "brain damage" (figurative), which could even be permanent in cases. I used to think pot aint dangerous too but not with the stuff getting ever stronger and the users getting younger and younger. Also recently there have been new studies about the effects of pot and they also suggest that it actually is quite dangerous to adolescents especially in regards to learning abilities and brain development.

 

[Duckzilla]

Originally posted by: myusername

However, Colleen Berg who counsels teens at a Brighton facility..

Wow. Now those are credentials not to be scoffed at.

LOL.

 

[stratman]

Originally posted by: B00ne

Originally posted by: hscorpio

Marijuana plants look different now. Often, they are grown in water, indoors resulting in more powerful pot.

In government funded studies, scientists evaluating confiscated pot found an increased percentage of tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) in the drug making it about five times stronger than it was in the seventies.

Marijuana is the same today as it has been ages. The only thing thats changed is the technology/info that allows the plants to achieve their highest potential so to speak.

There are two common phenotypes in cannabis, sativa and indica. In the 60's-70's most of the pot was imported from mexico/south america and largely all of that was sativa. That same pot is still here today but is considered "schwag" or low quality "mexican brick weed". It is usually brownish colored, compressed and contains seeds and stems. The quality of this pot has more to do with how its grown and harvested than the plants themselves. It is possible to grow these plants using modern techniques and get a high quality product.

The high quality pot of today is most likely sensimilla (no seeds) homegrown in the US or imported from Canada. This pot is usually the indica type or an indica/sativa hybrid. Most modern "high potency" strains are derived from afghan-based crosses. Remember that pot has been selectively bred in areas like afghanistan or nepal for generations.

This "new" pot is grown indoors often using hydroponics. The plants are pampered and harvested carefully. The harvested product looks different than the mexican brick weed because it is never processed and compressed the same way.

There is also a difference in effects from sativas and indicas when smoked. Indicas are usually considered more medicinal/stronger and are known for causing "couch lock". Within the medical marijuana world, many argue that stronger pot is actually safer since it requires inhaling less smoke.

I want to know how these studies determine the potency of pot from the 60's. They are probably testing old samples that have degraded over the years. There are surviving pot strains from the 60's that are highly regarded to those in the know.

I suggest anyone even remotely interested in this issue to visit overgrow.com to find a ton of info about the different types/potencies of marijuana.

Sorry but this is not true. Maybe in the US but not here in Europe. The pot from the 60-70s had 2-5% THC the professional bred high grade stuff from Holland (which is like THE pot engineering place) nowadays reaches up to 30% THC content. Now tell me again it is the same as it has always been. BTW every year more kids are hospitalized with some "brain damage" (figurative), which could even be permanent in cases. I used to think pot aint dangerous too but not with the stuff getting ever stronger and the users getting younger and younger. Also recently there have been new studies about the effects of pot and they also suggest that it actually is quite dangerous to adolescents especially in regards to learning abilities and brain development.

People are actually hospitalized due to brain damage from marijuana in the Netherlands?! Kids are getting brain damaged there from weed?

I live in British Columbia. We consider our weed the best in the world, and while yours may in actuality be more potent, we surely aren't far behind. The provincial newspaper published a study a while back that estimated that marijuana sales and manufacture was second only to the forestry sector (our biggest money generator!) in terms of industry size and proportion of GDP. So its impact here is huge.

Dispite all this, I have never seen anyone hospitalized from marijuana use.

Your allegation disturbs me greatly. If marijuana causes brain damage, half of British Columbia is at severe risk.

I'm sure you are a truthful person, but could you post links with evidence?

Also, this is anecdotal, but in my previous post I posted my smoking history -- I first smoked when I was twelve. Despite it, I got the top mark in my grade 11 socials, chemistry (this one I tied for top), physics, and French classes. I got the 'physics achievement' award my grade 12 year.

Surely I'm not brain damaged?

EDIT: wow that sounds like an sickly attempt at getting validation. I am a pretty stupid person, I know many people smarter than myself.

Disclaimer to those who are thinking of smoking: I do NOT advocate marijuana. I generally dislike 'pot-heads'. I stopped smoking myself because I thought it might be harmful.