Potent Pot

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: kissnup

Why not legalize it all? What possible reason does the goverment of a Free state have to tell a legal, of-age, citizen that he/she cannot purchase a product then go home and use that product in the confines of said home?

Your talking about heroin, cocaine etc. etc. I don't know.... If we leave it on the streets the kids will have access. If we legalize these more addicting drugs...Do you have some control measure in mind?

Same as with our other controlled substances, alcohol and tobacco - ages restrictions and harsh penalties for misusing them in a way that could endanger others.

 

[crooked22]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
It would be insane to legalize something you can enjoy that you can grow at home. Who's going to make any money off that. And who's going to collect any taxes. Only people who earn and sweat and make others money should be allow to have any fun.

Nobody should make money off of that. In any case, should be the grower for putting up time, sweat, care, and money into it... If you wanna sell, treat it like a homebased bakery business... no different. That is, unless you want the g-man coming after your grandma because she didn't itemized her petunias.

The only people who I hear complaining about the strenght of weed nowadays, are non-smokers... Every pothead Ive known is indeed happy that such is the case. And DNA in pot is the same as it was a couple of hundred years ago. I doubt in ~60 years some hippie flowerhead managed to do something to the plant that it wasnt already programmed to do. In any case, selective breeding weeds out the non desirable traits (lankiness, weakness, proneness to diseases, etc.), and leave the best (taste, potency, smell, unique qualities, size, etc). Add care to that and you can grow big skunky buds. Or a 500 lbs pumpkin.

 

[ITJunkie]

Originally posted by: Gen Stonewall
Legalizing marijuana will only increase the number of people using it. It has no benefit to anyone and probably should stay illegal (especially since it is not widely used in the mainstream populace).

Even more important than that, it seems that Rip lives only a few miles away from me. What town do you live in (or are you in the city)?

You seriously have the blinders on if you honestly think that pot "is not used widely in the mainstream populace."

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: crooked22

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
It would be insane to legalize something you can enjoy that you can grow at home. Who's going to make any money off that. And who's going to collect any taxes. Only people who earn and sweat and make others money should be allow to have any fun.

Nobody should make money off of that. In any case, should be the grower for putting up time, sweat, care, and money into it... If you wanna sell, treat it like a homebased bakery business... no different. That is, unless you want the g-man coming after your grandma because she didn't itemized her petunias.

The only people who I hear complaining about the strenght of weed nowadays, are non-smokers... Every pothead Ive known is indeed happy that such is the case. And DNA in pot is the same as it was a couple of hundred years ago. I doubt in ~60 years some hippie flowerhead managed to do something to the plant that it wasnt already programmed to do. In any case, selective breeding weeds out the non desirable traits (lankiness, weakness, proneness to diseases, etc.), and leave the best (taste, potency, smell, unique qualities, size, etc). Add care to that and you can grow big skunky buds. Or a 500 lbs pumpkin.

Actually, the DNA is not quite the same. Someone learned a while back that if you soak pot seeds in colchocine before planting them it imparts some structural DNA changes that provide favorable variations to the plant. It's how some of the super-hybrids available today came about and was, according to the story I've been told, what was done to create the first Krippy bud that came out of Cali in the early 80s.

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[40Hands]

I live in VT. Nuff said

 

[ITJunkie]

Originally posted by: myusername

Originally posted by: Alistar7
How was he dressed?

Couldn't see him, he was too bright. Though quite honestly, his nature is so overwhelming (though not gendered), that it would be almost impossible to even think about something like clothing in his presence.

It did answer all those niggling questions about disparate factions coexisting peacefully together in heaven though.

Originally posted by: hscorpio

This is a key difference between pot and tobacco. Most tobacco users start off in their teens also, but they can't "grow out of it" so easily. Tobacco is so addicting that most smokers continue smoking even after they reach the point in their life where they no longer want to smoke.

Tell me about it. I just picked up again after 6 months gonna try to quit over thanksgiving, which will be my umm ... probably 5th shot at it.[/quote]

I'm with ya user...I'm trying to dump the filthy buggers too. HSCORPIO you are dead on right. I quit smoking pot a long time ago but today I still smoke cigs...this is my 6th or 7th time trying to quit, I forget which.

 

[crooked22]

But just because you soaked it in colchocine (cannot read about it now, Im at work), does not mean that its offspring are going to be super potent weed. If its super potent weed, its because it came from a super potent weed seed. If you are white and your wife is white, and everyone in your family is white, and your son comes out black with very curly hair, I would say something went very wrong and no cochocine or bleach is going to make the kid white. DNA evolves slow.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: crooked22
But just because you soaked it in colchocine (cannot read about it now, Im at work), does not mean that its offspring are going to be super potent weed. If its super potent weed, its because it came from a super potent weed seed. If you are white and your wife is white, and everyone in your family is white, and your son comes out black with very curly hair, I would say something went very wrong and no cochocine or bleach is going to make the kid white. DNA evolves slow.

Try soaking the wife's eggs in colchicine first.

j/k

Colchicine induces polyploidy (work safe, so check it out if you want), which basically increases the chromosome content in cells, which means an increase in the production of THC for pot. Colchicine does impart super-potency to pot.

btw, I'm not pulling this information from something I've read in the past or out of any dark biological recesses either, just to let you know. I'll just say I've directly observed it being done, some time ago, and leave it at that.

 

[Sassy]

Kissnup: I?m in the middle as far a legalizing or not legalizing pot. My first thought is not to legalize. Does society really need another mind-altering drug that is easily accessible at our nearby liquor store? Yet, if we look at this realistically the system we have in place has failed. Our prisons are full, our judicial system is crammed with these cases, and we spend billions of our tax dollars fighting this crime.

If legal, the government can minimize, or eliminate, the crap that is currently being mixed with pot. I would think the purer the drug, the fewer side effects. If need be, the gov. can reduce the potency by adding a safe ingredient. Although legalization of pot will bring down the number of drug dealers on the streets, it will not eliminate them entirely. My feeling is that many dealers will simply shift their business from pot to selling and pushing the harder drugs. These harder drugs then become more easily accessible to our kids.

CK: Why not legalize it all? What possible reason does the goverment of a Free state have to tell a legal, of-age, citizen that he/she cannot purchase a product then go home and use that product in the confines of said home?

Kissnup: Your talking about heroin, cocaine etc. etc. I don't know.... If we leave it on the streets the kids will have access. If we legalize these more addicting drugs...Do you have some control measure in mind?

CK: Same as with our other controlled substances, alcohol and tobacco - ages restrictions and harsh penalties for misusing them in a way that could endanger others

Kissnup: I can only imagine what it might be like for a child to grow up in a family with a mother or father who is high on heroin. Time for Johnny to go to bed?.who?s Johnny? I know I?m exaggerating but neglect will take place. Should they hide the liquor and heroin in the same cabinet to keep it away from their children? How functional will the workplace be when many of their employee/r?s are high? Lunch break, time to shoot up. Heroin is more addicting than alcohol. It isn?t just a social drug.

There?s got to be a better solution to the drug problem. What were currently doing is just not working

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: ITJunkie

Originally posted by: Gen Stonewall
Legalizing marijuana will only increase the number of people using it. It has no benefit to anyone and probably should stay illegal (especially since it is not widely used in the mainstream populace).

Even more important than that, it seems that Rip lives only a few miles away from me. What town do you live in (or are you in the city)?

You seriously have the blinders on if you honestly think that pot "is not used widely in the mainstream populace."

:thumbsup:

Very true.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: kissnup
I can only imagine what it might be like for a child to grow up in a family with a mother or father who is high on heroin. Time for Johnny to go to bed?.who?s Johnny? I know I?m exaggerating but neglect will take place. Should they hide the liquor and heroin in the same cabinet to keep it away from their children? How functional will the workplace be when many of their employee/r?s are high? Lunch break, time to shoot up. Heroin is more addicting than alcohol. It isn?t just a social drug.

There?s got to be a better solution to the drug problem. What were currently doing is just not working

Are you serious? Can you imagine what it might be like for a child to grow up in a family with a mother or father who is drunk on alcohol? Is our workplace non-functional because people can buy tequilla openly? Is there currently a big problem with people downing 8-9 shots during their lunch break?

I guess I just don't understand why you think making these things legal will suddenly cause nearly everyone to run out and start using and abusing it. The junkies (1) that abuse it now, will probably abuse it just as much if it was legal. But they'll probably get better quality stuff, potentially avoided complications. [0 loss / potential gain.] There will be some people (2) who will decide to try it for the first time and may get hooked. [ potential loss / 0 gain] Then there will be people (3) who have never tried the stuff and never will, even if it's sitting on the shelve, next to the cigarettes and wine. [0 loss / 0 gain]

It appears you think the majority of people fall into category 2, whereas I believe the majority will fall into 1 & 3. Perhaps it's just a glass is half-empty/half-full issue. *shrug*

 

[kage69]

There?s got to be a better solution to the drug problem. What were currently doing is just not working

Agree totally.

 

[Sassy]

Are you serious? Can you imagine what it might be like for a child to grow up in a family with a mother or father who is drunk on alcohol? Is our workplace non-functional because people can buy tequilla openly? Is there currently a big problem with people downing 8-9 shots during their lunch break?

I guess I just don't understand why you think making these things legal will suddenly cause nearly everyone to run out and start using and abusing it. The junkies (1) that abuse it now, will probably abuse it just as much if it was legal. But they'll probably get better quality stuff, potentially avoided complications. [0 loss / potential gain.] There will be some people (2) who will decide to try it for the first time and may get hooked. [ potential loss / 0 gain] Then there will be people (3) who have never tried the stuff and never will, even if it's sitting on the shelve, next to the cigarettes and wine. [0 loss / 0 gain]

It appears you think the majority of people fall into category 2, whereas I believe the majority will fall into 1 & 3. Perhaps it's just a glass is half-empty/half-full issue. *shrug*

I NEVER insinuated that ?nearly everyone? will run out and start using and abusing it. Pleeease?.I have more faith in my fellow man than that.

Your one, two and three will all take place. This is obvious. I?m not disagreeing with you. Of course, it?s your number two group I?m most concerned with. Why shouldn?t it be? This group will be the newly addicted. Like alcohol abuse, lives will be affected. By legalizing all drugs (incl. Heroin) and placing it on the store shelves are we tempting those who have never thought about taking this drug before. But to what extent? Neither of us knows.

Your saying legalize it all. I?m not saying that we shouldn?t. Although I can see where you may have formed this opinion from my previous post. I was imagining the scenario should society chose to take this step. My main concern is getting the drugs off the streets and out of the hands of our kids. If I stay focused on this, I will be able to accept the problem of the newly addicted adults.

Our war against drugs is obviously not working. Legalizing all the drugs will get them off the streets. I?m open to listening to your opinion on how you plan to regulate all these drugs. What guidelines are you using in setting these restrictions? Are you looking at all the drug regulations on the same level of restriction as alcohol?

 

[Cobalt]

Originally posted by: PatboyX

Originally posted by: Gen Stonewall
Legalizing marijuana will only increase the number of people using it. It has no benefit to anyone and probably should stay illegal (especially since it is not widely used in the mainstream populace).

Even more important than that, it seems that Rip lives only a few miles away from me. What town do you live in (or are you in the city)?

from what ive read, pot would serve no purpose if legalized. very few uses and none of those are proven.
at the same time...i see no reason not to legalize it ala liquor.

Actually the usefullness of the plant is tremendous. Google the history of marijuana before it was made illegal.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: kissnup

Are you serious? Can you imagine what it might be like for a child to grow up in a family with a mother or father who is drunk on alcohol? Is our workplace non-functional because people can buy tequilla openly? Is there currently a big problem with people downing 8-9 shots during their lunch break?

I guess I just don't understand why you think making these things legal will suddenly cause nearly everyone to run out and start using and abusing it. The junkies (1) that abuse it now, will probably abuse it just as much if it was legal. But they'll probably get better quality stuff, potentially avoided complications. [0 loss / potential gain.] There will be some people (2) who will decide to try it for the first time and may get hooked. [ potential loss / 0 gain] Then there will be people (3) who have never tried the stuff and never will, even if it's sitting on the shelve, next to the cigarettes and wine. [0 loss / 0 gain]

It appears you think the majority of people fall into category 2, whereas I believe the majority will fall into 1 & 3. Perhaps it's just a glass is half-empty/half-full issue. *shrug*

I NEVER insinuated that ?nearly everyone? will run out and start using and abusing it. Pleeease?.I have more faith in my fellow man than that.

Your one, two and three will all take place. This is obvious. I?m not disagreeing with you. Of course, it?s your number two group I?m most concerned with. Why shouldn?t it be? This group will be the newly addicted. Like alcohol abuse, lives will be affected. By legalizing all drugs (incl. Heroin) and placing it on the store shelves are we tempting those who have never thought about taking this drug before. But to what extent? Neither of us knows.

Your saying legalize it all. I?m not saying that we shouldn?t. Although I can see where you may have formed this opinion from my previous post. I was imagining the scenario should society chose to take this step. My main concern is getting the drugs off the streets and out of the hands of our kids. If I stay focused on this, I will be able to accept the problem of the newly addicted adults.

Our war against drugs is obviously not working. Legalizing all the drugs will get them off the streets. I?m open to listening to your opinion on how you plan to regulate all these drugs. What guidelines are you using in setting these restrictions? Are you looking at all the drug regulations on the same level of restriction as alcohol?

Fair enough.

 

[Sassy]

You know CK it isn?t going to be easy for me should we legalize all drugs.
I?m going to feel guilty and responsible for those adults who become addicted to the harder drugs.

 

[Kadarin]

I used to hear the same story back in the early '80s, when I was in jr. high school. "Oh, this stuff these days is so much stronger than what we had back in the '60s..." If the propaganda was anywhere close to being accurate, marijuana would be instantly fatal if smoked.

 

[classy]

I am going to doubt that it may be stronger, it just isn't a hard drug. While I don't drink, never did, or smoke joint anymore, haven't in over 20 years, it ain't no worse than drinking. The only diffrence is its illegal and I seriously doubt my man had a $45 a day habit too, thats sounds like a bit of a stretch.

 

[Tab]

Weed is actually worse than Tobacco, sorry guys.
Cannabis smoke worse than tobacco smoke

 

[Tab]

In my personal opinion we need have a much stronger education on drugs. People really wouldn't use them if they really knew what they where doing to themselves. I beileve that if we had a better education on drugs and we slowy started to decriminalize them we would have less drug related problems. We could use the money by taxing the crap of these substances and using that money for education and rehab.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: kissnup
You know CK it isn?t going to be easy for me should we legalize all drugs.
I?m going to feel guilty and responsible for those adults who become addicted to the harder drugs.

Well, I'll buy you a :beer: or a glass of :wine: (take your pick) to help ease your sorrow.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Tabb
Weed is actually worse than Tobacco, sorry guys.
Cannabis smoke worse than tobacco smoke

Anyhow I have a lot of friends come to think of it that do not smoke cigs but smoke weed and it's my smoker friends I hear cough. If a bit of pot smoke bothers you get a vaporizer Easy soloution:
http://www.vapormed.de/en_funktion.htm

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Tabb
Weed is actually worse than Tobacco, sorry guys.
Cannabis smoke worse than tobacco smoke

Yes, but how many mary-jane'ers smoke 20 joints a day?
I may smoke 1.5 grams of low-potency weed in a day (and not even every day). Compare that to people who dish down two packs of Marby Red's every day.

Besides, some people don't smoke, just eat.

Cigarettes are a daily habit for most cigarette smokers, marijuana in many cases is not a daily habit. Although that is just from my experience, not based on any stats.


/fires up bowl again

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Tabb
Weed is actually worse than Tobacco, sorry guys.
Cannabis smoke worse than tobacco smoke

Yes, but how many mary-jane'ers smoke 20 joints a day?

I think Bob marley did if you count how many in this song:





I smoke two joints in the morning
I smoke two joints at night,
I smoke two joints in the afternoon
and it makes me feel alright
I smoke two joints in time of peace
and two in time of war
smoke two joints before I smoke two joints
and then I smoke two more

yeah thats what i do, hey

mama she always told me son you really have it bad
mama she always told me son you do the best you can
then one day I met a man he came to me and said
I work good and I work fine but first take care of him

I smoke two joints in the morning
I smoke two joints at night
I smoke two joints in the video game <------------------They had online gaming in the 70's?
and it mkes me feel alright
I smoke two joints in the time of peace
and two in time of war
I smoke two joints before I smoke two joints
and then I smoke two more


You might start to have a cough after that but lol Marley could still sing all the time.

Light up and lighten up Rip..

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Tabb
Weed is actually worse than Tobacco, sorry guys.
Cannabis smoke worse than tobacco smoke

Anyhow I have a lot of friends come to think of it that do not smoke cigs but smoke weed and it's my smoker friends I hear cough. If a bit of pot smoke bothers you get a vaporizer Easy soloution:
http://www.vapormed.de/en_funktion.htm

THC stays in your head for almost months, even if you do a get vaporizers you're still hurting yourself and damaging your memory...

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Tabb
Weed is actually worse than Tobacco, sorry guys.
Cannabis smoke worse than tobacco smoke

Yes, but how many mary-jane'ers smoke 20 joints a day?
I may smoke 1.5 grams of low-potency weed in a day (and not even every day). Compare that to people who dish down two packs of Marby Red's every day.

Besides, some people don't smoke, just eat.

Cigarettes are a daily habit for most cigarette smokers, marijuana in many cases is not a daily habit. Although that is just from my experience, not based on any stats.


/fires up bowl again

Explain to me what eating has to do with this discussion? Smoking pot is bad for you, thats why its illegal! Its just as bad as smoking cigs! Which is really bad! Look at all of diseases that you hear about, lung cancer and heart disease. I wonder what causes those! As for those Weed-Related deaths, how many doctors ask terminaly ill patents if they smoked weed?