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Perknose

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Three full joints a day equals the tar from 20 cigarettes a day. Folks, the methodology in these studies is as flawed as the methodology in the UCLA studies I participated in in the mid '70's.

Almost NO ONE smokes three full joints themselves a day. No one I've ever known well, even back in the day, did. People pass and share, you know, or they use a one hitter or pipe. Using that "three full joints a day" as a benchmark is just plain ignorant BS.

In the UCLA studies in which I participated (six of us at a time lived there for 94 day under completely controlled conditions), EACH JOINT was the size of a commerical 100mm cigarette, with more weed where the filter would be. No one rolls Buffalo bombers that big! Each of us had to smoke that joint fully ourselves, without passing -- that was considered one dose. Folks, that is BULLCRAP!

Even back then, you could get ten people reasonably high on the amount of weed in what they considered a one person, one time dose.

These days, I don't smoke the amount of weed in three of those cigarettes in three months (or more) time, yet I would have to smoke that much each day, every day, to do the damage that a pack a day ciggy habit causes to my lungs.

The methodology of these researchers is so fundamentally flawed, so ridiculously and pervasively flawed, (I could tell you in depth about the lame bs from the study I was in) that there findings bear no resemblance whatsoever to the truth.

When people have to lie to make their point, you know something's up.

 

nakedfrog

No Lifer
Apr 3, 2001
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Originally posted by: Tabb
Explain to me what eating has to do with this discussion? Smoking pot is bad for you, thats why its illegal! Its just as bad as smoking cigs! Which is really bad! Look at all of diseases that you hear about, lung cancer and heart disease. I wonder what causes those! As for those Weed-Related deaths, how many doctors ask terminaly ill patents if they smoked weed?

No, it's not just as bad as smoking cigarettes. Most people, unless they've been smoking for quite some time, are unlikely to smoke 3 joints in one day, ESPECIALLY if it's more potent as they say it is. And, consider the fact that it's not physically addictive like cigarettes are. Plus the fact that when someone smokes a joint, it's usually just marijuana. Cigarettes have all manner of additives for flavor and preservatives and who knows what else... so sorry, but you're wrong.
Evidence of long-term memory damage please? I know it temporarily impairs short term memory, but what else you got?
Also, it being illegal has NOTHING to do with it being bad for you in any way.
 

cKGunslinger

Lifer
Nov 29, 1999
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Originally posted by: Tabb

Explain to me what eating has to do with this discussion? Smoking pot is bad for you, thats why its illegal! Its just as bad as smoking cigs! Which is really bad! Look at all of diseases that you hear about, lung cancer and heart disease. I wonder what causes those! As for those Weed-Related deaths, how many doctors ask terminaly ill patents if they smoked weed?
So smoking weed is just as bad as cigarettes, that's why it's illegal? Then why is tobacco legal? Do you think it should be outlawed as well? America is currently under a health crisis in regards to obesity. Should fried foods and snack cakes be made illegal, too? Where does it end? What right does anyone have to tell anyone else what they can or can't do with their bodies?
 

0marTheZealot

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Apr 5, 2004
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Scare tactic.

Cigarettes and Alcohol are legal. They also serve no purpose. I get as high as a kite a couple times a year and I still manage to function in society.

It's not about the drug its about who you hang around with.
 

Tab

Lifer
Sep 15, 2002
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Originally posted by: Perknose
Three full joints a day equals the tar from 20 cigarettes a day. Folks, the methodology in these studies is as flawed as the methodology in the UCLA studies I participated in in the mid '70's.

Almost NO ONE smokes three full joints themselves a day. No one I've ever known well, even back in the day, did. People pass and share, you know, or they use a one hitter or pipe. Using that "three full joints a day" as a benchmark is just plain ignorant BS.

In the UCLA studies in which I participated (six of us at a time lived there for 94 day under completely controlled conditions), EACH JOINT was the size of a commerical 100mm cigarette, with more weed where the filter would be. No one rolls Buffalo bombers that big! Each of us had to smoke that joint fully ourselves, without passing -- that was considered one dose. Folks, that is BULLCRAP!

Even back then, you could get ten people reasonably high on the amount of weed in what they considered a one person, one time dose.

These days, I don't smoke the amount of weed in three of those cigarettes in three months (or more) time, yet I would have to smoke that much each day, every day, to do the damage that a pack a day ciggy habit causes to my lungs.

The methodology of these researchers is so fundamentally flawed, so ridiculously and pervasively flawed, (I could tell you in depth about the lame bs from the study I was in) that there findings bear no resemblance whatsoever to the truth.

When people have to lie to make their point, you know something's up.

Reguardless, the smoke from cannibus is still more harmful to your health when comared to ciggerates.

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: Tabb
Explain to me what eating has to do with this discussion? Smoking pot is bad for you, thats why its illegal! Its just as bad as smoking cigs! Which is really bad! Look at all of diseases that you hear about, lung cancer and heart disease. I wonder what causes those! As for those Weed-Related deaths, how many doctors ask terminaly ill patents if they smoked weed?

No, it's not just as bad as smoking cigarettes. Most people, unless they've been smoking for quite some time, are unlikely to smoke 3 joints in one day, ESPECIALLY if it's more potent as they say it is. And, consider the fact that it's not physically addictive like cigarettes are. Plus the fact that when someone smokes a joint, it's usually just marijuana. Cigarettes have all manner of additives for flavor and preservatives and who knows what else... so sorry, but you're wrong.
Evidence of long-term memory damage please? I know it temporarily impairs short term memory, but what else you got?
Also, it being illegal has NOTHING to do with it being bad for you in any way.

So, if it isn't bad for you why is it illegal? Explain to me why we should legalize something that is infact bad for your health?

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: Tabb

Explain to me what eating has to do with this discussion? Smoking pot is bad for you, thats why its illegal! Its just as bad as smoking cigs! Which is really bad! Look at all of diseases that you hear about, lung cancer and heart disease. I wonder what causes those! As for those Weed-Related deaths, how many doctors ask terminaly ill patents if they smoked weed?
So smoking weed is just as bad as cigarettes, that's why it's illegal? Then why is tobacco legal? Do you think it should be outlawed as well? America is currently under a health crisis in regards to obesity. Should fried foods and snack cakes be made illegal, too? Where does it end? What right does anyone have to tell anyone else what they can or can't do with their bodies?


Tobacco is legal because we where fvcking idiots in the 50's. We can't really outlaw as it is already pounded up our asses in society. As for obesity, someone people can actually still eat the fatty foods and burn the weight off. How can you gain back the memory cells in your brain or repair your lungs?

If any alcholol,tobacco or weed showed up in our society today it would be instantly shunned.

As for memory loss

Memory Loss #1

Taking cannabis for a long time may have lasting effects on the memory. According to new research, the memory and attention span of users seems to get worse the longer they take the drug. Long-term users also show an impaired ability to learn, and it is not clear whether giving up cannabis enables them to recover.
 

myusername

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Jun 8, 2003
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Originally posted by: Tabb
certified ignorant elitist

Ok, we already covered this. If we, as supposedly free human beings don't mind affecting our memory, it is our own personal business.

The reason marijauna was made illegal is because the hemp industry posed a significant threat to DuPont's burgeoning synthetic textile industry.

Your claims that marijuana smoke is "worse" have been debunked several times over. The worst a chronic marijuana smoker will suffer will be bronchitis, and perhaps emphysema after a lifetime of use.

Tobacco smoke is extremely damaging for two reasons:

1. Tobacco is a heavy-metal sponge. Several studies have even suggested that most cancer caused by tobacco results from direct exposure to radioactive isotopes that have been concentrated in the plant (from groundsoil).

2. Tobacco is laden with pesticide: Not only are pesticides applied in the field, but the tobacco - as it sits in warehouses - has pesticide applied to keep it during storage. (despite what the brand I am currently smoking would have it's purchasers believe, all tobacco is aged - not for flavor, but for market reasons.)

It's not certain that it is processing or substances inherent in the plant, but long term tobacco use (about 6 years of smoking) will actually irreversably (thus far) shut down cancer-fighting genes - systemically, not just in the lungs.
 

Steeplerot

Lifer
Mar 29, 2004
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That is such a load of crap noone has EVER gotten lung cancer or are there ANY terminally ill paitents from smoking pot.
Like I said get a vaporizer if you dont like to smoke or eat.
Do you all believe duck and cover works? quit believing everything you see, here's a clue

[L]Your Goverment Lies[/L]
 

bamacre

Lifer
Jul 1, 2004
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Originally posted by: Tabb
Originally posted by: Steeplerot


Anyhow I have a lot of friends come to think of it that do not smoke cigs but smoke weed and it's my smoker friends I hear cough. If a bit of pot smoke bothers you get a vaporizer Easy soloution:
http://www.vapormed.de/en_funktion.htm

THC stays in your head for almost months, even if you do a get vaporizers you're still hurting yourself and damaging your memory...

Originally posted by: bamacre

Yes, but how many mary-jane'ers smoke 20 joints a day?
I may smoke 1.5 grams of low-potency weed in a day (and not even every day). Compare that to people who dish down two packs of Marby Red's every day.

Besides, some people don't smoke, just eat.

Cigarettes are a daily habit for most cigarette smokers, marijuana in many cases is not a daily habit. Although that is just from my experience, not based on any stats.


/fires up bowl again

Explain to me what eating has to do with this discussion? Smoking pot is bad for you, thats why its illegal! Its just as bad as smoking cigs! Which is really bad! Look at all of diseases that you hear about, lung cancer and heart disease. I wonder what causes those! As for those Weed-Related deaths, how many doctors ask terminaly ill patents if they smoked weed?

You've never heard of "magic" brownie's ? :laugh:

Some people occasionally cook with pot to get high.
 

Steeplerot

Lifer
Mar 29, 2004
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hell, they sell more cookies here in the city then bags of smokables I hear.
Smoking pot would be gone mostly if it was leaglized, why smoke it when you can get a choclate peanutbutter double decker cookie packed with goodness? (one of the actual flavors they sell 2 blocks down from my front door and their GOOOOOOD) pot peanut butter cups, rice krispies all different flavors.
*wishes his gf would get home so I can cook dinner now*
 

bamacre

Lifer
Jul 1, 2004
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Originally posted by: Tabb
As for obesity, someone people can actually still eat the fatty foods and burn the weight off.

Wow!!!

Very nice. Just shot yourself in the foot.

So? People should be able to eat foods that are very unhealthy, and serve ZERO benefits, because some of them are responsible enough to excercise and eat in an nonabusive, and responsible way. Even though, some people over-eat, get addicted to fatty foods (psychologically at that), and have expensive health problems.

Hmmm.

Yet you believe that people should not be able to consume marijuana, even though some people are able to consume it in a responsible and safe manner, just because some morons sit at home smoking pot all day, every day.

Hmmm.

hy·poc·ri·sy

1. The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness.
2. An act or instance of such falseness.



 

Vic

Elite Member
Jun 12, 2001
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What I finally really amusing is that they've trotting out this "pot is stronger than it used to be" scare tactic every few years for the last 20 years. They used to preach it at my high school in the '80s.
Wow... none of you really do remember the news from more than a couple of days ago, do you?

Anyway, it doesn't matter. 80 proof Jack Daniel's is stronger than 3.2% Coors, does that mean you can't get just as drunk off Coors? Of course you can.
If pot were legalized and regulated by the government, quality and potency could be strictly regulated, just how it is with alcohol. "Stronger pot" problem solved.
 

Riprorin

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Apr 25, 2000
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Originally posted by: Vic
What I finally really amusing is that they've trotting out this "pot is stronger than it used to be" scare tactic every few years for the last 20 years. They used to preach it at my high school in the '80s.

Who is "they"?
 

AnitaPeterson

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Apr 24, 2001
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Originally posted by: Tabb
First of all

1)Prove to me weed is not as bad as alcholol.

2)Any statistics relating to weed related deaths are irrevalent, find me a active MJ smoker who doesn't activily smoke tobacco.

Weed WILL NEVER be legalized, its just as bad as tabacco which IMHO tabacco is the worst thing in the world today.



Both my spouse and I will smoke MJ whenever we feel like it. We NEVER smoked a cigarette. I also know a lot of other pot users who don't smoke tobacco. What rock did you crawl under from? Methinks it's time for you to get informed about facts of life...
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson
Originally posted by: Tabb
First of all

1)Prove to me weed is not as bad as alcholol.

2)Any statistics relating to weed related deaths are irrevalent, find me a active MJ smoker who doesn't activily smoke tobacco.

Weed WILL NEVER be legalized, its just as bad as tabacco which IMHO tabacco is the worst thing in the world today.



Both my spouse and I will smoke MJ whenever we feel like it. We NEVER smoked a cigarette. I also know a lot of other pot users who don't smoke tobacco. What rock did you crawl under from? Methinks it's time for you to get informed about facts of life...

Do you have kids or do you plan on getting pregnant? If so, you may want to read this:

Marijuana Use and Birth Defects
 

AnitaPeterson

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Do you have kids or do you plan on getting pregnant? If so, you may want to read this:

Marijuana Use and Birth Defects

Yes, we have a child... and a few months before even getting pregnant, we quit any use of drugs (medicine included) and alcohol, as well as certain foods. Problem solved. It was a great pregnancy, and we have a beautiful, healthy and smart kid. Looking forward to his brothers and sisters. Look, we never ceased to be responsible adults, even if we smoke pot.

 

Steeplerot

Lifer
Mar 29, 2004
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There is nothing more irresponsible about smoking pot then drinking coffee.
Contrary to what they tell you in 6th grade drug education it does not make you eat your baby.
 

TuxDave

Lifer
Oct 8, 2002
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Before entering college, drug education made me believe smoking pot the most terrible thing in the world. I never knew what exact effects it had but I had the notion that it was addictive and made people die.

After being in college, I now equate smoking pot with drinking alcohol. As far as I know, they're both bad during pregnancy and has the potential to make the user act stupid. Other than that, I think the health impact of both is probably negative, but not anything as bad as I used to think.
 

Riprorin

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Apr 25, 2000
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Originally posted by: TuxDave
Before entering college, drug education made me believe smoking pot the most terrible thing in the world. I never knew what exact effects it had but I had the notion that it was addictive and made people die.

After being in college, I now equate smoking pot with drinking alcohol. As far as I know, they're both bad during pregnancy and has the potential to make the user act stupid. Other than that, I think the health impact of both is probably negative, but not anything as bad as I used to think.

What scientific research did you do to determine that it's not as bad as you used to think?
 

Steeplerot

Lifer
Mar 29, 2004
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Originally posted by: Riprorin

What scientific research did you do to determine that it's not as bad as you used to think?

What scientific research did you do to determine that it's bad at all?
 

TuxDave

Lifer
Oct 8, 2002
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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: TuxDave
Before entering college, drug education made me believe smoking pot the most terrible thing in the world. I never knew what exact effects it had but I had the notion that it was addictive and made people die.

After being in college, I now equate smoking pot with drinking alcohol. As far as I know, they're both bad during pregnancy and has the potential to make the user act stupid. Other than that, I think the health impact of both is probably negative, but not anything as bad as I used to think.

What scientific research did you do to determine that it's not as bad as you used to think?

Is there a need to even have research when I previously thought people who smoked marijuana would keel over and die or end up brain dead after a couple of puffs?
 

Riprorin

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Apr 25, 2000
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Originally posted by: TuxDave
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: TuxDave
Before entering college, drug education made me believe smoking pot the most terrible thing in the world. I never knew what exact effects it had but I had the notion that it was addictive and made people die.

After being in college, I now equate smoking pot with drinking alcohol. As far as I know, they're both bad during pregnancy and has the potential to make the user act stupid. Other than that, I think the health impact of both is probably negative, but not anything as bad as I used to think.

What scientific research did you do to determine that it's not as bad as you used to think?

Is there a need to even have research when I previously thought people who smoked marijuana would keel over and die or end up brain dead after a couple of puffs?

You really believed that?
 

TuxDave

Lifer
Oct 8, 2002
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Originally posted by: Riprorin
You really believed that?

Coming from a high school where drug use is very low and drug education well enforced, yes I used to believe that. They taught us about all the hard drugs and taught us about marijuana. My brain prefers to simplify things and so I just settled for a simple generalization. "Drugs are bad... drugs will kill you".
 
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