Potent Pot

[Tab]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Tabb
As for obesity, someone people can actually still eat the fatty foods and burn the weight off.

Wow!!!

Very nice. Just shot yourself in the foot.

So? People should be able to eat foods that are very unhealthy, and serve ZERO benefits, because some of them are responsible enough to excercise and eat in an nonabusive, and responsible way. Even though, some people over-eat, get addicted to fatty foods (psychologically at that), and have expensive health problems.

Hmmm.

Yet you believe that people should not be able to consume marijuana, even though some people are able to consume it in a responsible and safe manner, just because some morons sit at home smoking pot all day, every day.

Hmmm.

hy·poc·ri·sy

1. The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness.
2. An act or instance of such falseness.

Explain to me how you can somehow repair your damaged lungs? What diseases do twinkies cause? I am sure twinkes are linked to cancer. :roll:

 

[AnitaPeterson]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Who's watching your child when you and your husband are getting high?

Who was watching you, when your parents were having sex , after they had you? Or they never did, seeing what came out? Riprorin, are you really looking for a flame war?

Take your head out of your ass. Smoking a pipe (not even a joint) on a week-end evening, when there are friends around, or when you just want to have fun (all while the child is in another room) is just as natural as having a good glass of wine, brandy or champagne, some ice-cream chocolate or a few servings of caviar.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: myusername

Originally posted by: Tabb
certified ignorant elitist

Ok, we already covered this. If we, as supposedly free human beings don't mind affecting our memory, it is our own personal business.

The reason marijauna was made illegal is because the hemp industry posed a significant threat to DuPont's burgeoning synthetic textile industry.

And I am sure it's still illegal because of this... :roll:

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: TuxDave
Before entering college, drug education made me believe smoking pot the most terrible thing in the world. I never knew what exact effects it had but I had the notion that it was addictive and made people die.

After being in college, I now equate smoking pot with drinking alcohol. As far as I know, they're both bad during pregnancy and has the potential to make the user act stupid. Other than that, I think the health impact of both is probably negative, but not anything as bad as I used to think.

Actually, there's a health benefit to drinking moderate amounts of alcohol.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: TuxDave
Before entering college, drug education made me believe smoking pot the most terrible thing in the world. I never knew what exact effects it had but I had the notion that it was addictive and made people die.

After being in college, I now equate smoking pot with drinking alcohol. As far as I know, they're both bad during pregnancy and has the potential to make the user act stupid. Other than that, I think the health impact of both is probably negative, but not anything as bad as I used to think.

Actually, there's a health benefit to drinking moderate amounts of alcohol.

I could careless, if people really knew what it did to their system no one would even touch it.

 

[TuxDave]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: TuxDave
Before entering college, drug education made me believe smoking pot the most terrible thing in the world. I never knew what exact effects it had but I had the notion that it was addictive and made people die.

After being in college, I now equate smoking pot with drinking alcohol. As far as I know, they're both bad during pregnancy and has the potential to make the user act stupid. Other than that, I think the health impact of both is probably negative, but not anything as bad as I used to think.

Actually, there's a health benefit to drinking moderate amounts of alcohol.

It was a study centered on red wines right? I think I read the same study. I personally don't drink alcohol not because of its potential bad effects but because I never figured out what was so fun about it. My friends say I go from sober to sick too quickly.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: TuxDave

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: TuxDave
Before entering college, drug education made me believe smoking pot the most terrible thing in the world. I never knew what exact effects it had but I had the notion that it was addictive and made people die.

After being in college, I now equate smoking pot with drinking alcohol. As far as I know, they're both bad during pregnancy and has the potential to make the user act stupid. Other than that, I think the health impact of both is probably negative, but not anything as bad as I used to think.

Actually, there's a health benefit to drinking moderate amounts of alcohol.

It was a study centered on red wines right? I think I read the same study. I personally don't drink alcohol not because of its potential bad effects but because I never figured out what was so fun about it. My friends say I go from sober to sick too quickly.

Wine, beer and spirits all reduce the risk of a heart attack if you have 1 serving every day or two. Beyond that, the risk goes up plus there are other health effects.

I'm not recommending the use of alcohol because of th risk of abusing it, but I believe that health benefits a small amount of alcohol are pretty well established.

Is there any reason to use pot other than to get high?

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: TuxDave

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: TuxDave
Before entering college, drug education made me believe smoking pot the most terrible thing in the world. I never knew what exact effects it had but I had the notion that it was addictive and made people die.

After being in college, I now equate smoking pot with drinking alcohol. As far as I know, they're both bad during pregnancy and has the potential to make the user act stupid. Other than that, I think the health impact of both is probably negative, but not anything as bad as I used to think.

Actually, there's a health benefit to drinking moderate amounts of alcohol.

It was a study centered on red wines right? I think I read the same study. I personally don't drink alcohol not because of its potential bad effects but because I never figured out what was so fun about it. My friends say I go from sober to sick too quickly.

Wine, beer and spirits all reduce the risk of a heart attack if you have 1 serving every day or two. Beyond that, the risk goes up plus there are other health effects.

I'm not recommending the use of alcohol because of th risk of abusing it, but I believe that health benefits a small amount of alcohol are pretty well established.

Is there any reason to use pot other than to get high?

Medical Purposes........erm....good question OH! ROPE!

 

[TuxDave]

Originally posted by: Tabb

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: TuxDave

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: TuxDave
Before entering college, drug education made me believe smoking pot the most terrible thing in the world. I never knew what exact effects it had but I had the notion that it was addictive and made people die.

After being in college, I now equate smoking pot with drinking alcohol. As far as I know, they're both bad during pregnancy and has the potential to make the user act stupid. Other than that, I think the health impact of both is probably negative, but not anything as bad as I used to think.

Actually, there's a health benefit to drinking moderate amounts of alcohol.

It was a study centered on red wines right? I think I read the same study. I personally don't drink alcohol not because of its potential bad effects but because I never figured out what was so fun about it. My friends say I go from sober to sick too quickly.

Wine, beer and spirits all reduce the risk of a heart attack if you have 1 serving every day or two. Beyond that, the risk goes up plus there are other health effects.

I'm not recommending the use of alcohol because of th risk of abusing it, but I believe that health benefits a small amount of alcohol are pretty well established.

Is there any reason to use pot other than to get high?

Medical Purposes........erm....good question

Pain killers? However, I think the percentage of people who smoke pot for medical reasons is around the same percentage of people who drink alcohol for its health benefits.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Vic
What I finally really amusing is that they've trotting out this "pot is stronger than it used to be" scare tactic every few years for the last 20 years. They used to preach it at my high school in the '80s.

Who is "they"?

"They" was a well-defined pronoun, meaning those forces who make their living by jailing people who do something that is actually less harmful than consuming alcohol or smoking tobacco, and who are only interested in controlling the actions of everyone ELSE on this planet but themselves.

In this context however, I meant the DEA, the pharmaceutical-funded Partnership for a "Drug-Free" America, and of course millions of police who would be out forced to hunt down real criminals when they won't be allowed to beat down dimebaggers anymore.
But hey, it's okay, Rip. Just keep telling yourself that drugs are the cause of all crime and that, without drugs, this would be a world of perfect peace. Of course, that's total bullsh!t, but where would you be if you couldn't blame everyone else, but never yourself, for all that you see wrong?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Tabb

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Is there any reason to use pot other than to get high?

Medical Purposes........erm....good question OH! ROPE!

Hemp is quite possibly the world's most useful plant. It grows in almost any temperate climate and produces amazing yields. Its leaves can be used to make paper, clothing, and rope (even parachutes or Bush 41 would have died in WWII). Its seeds are the most ideal protein source for humans found in nature and can also be used to make cooking oil, heating oil, engine lubricants, and diesel fuel. And the plant's medicinal uses have barely even been studied, but clearly seem to be effective in treating the symptoms of numerous ailments.
It is believed that humans have cultivated hemp since the dawn of human civilization, and did so continuously for thousands of years. Most of the early American colonies (and even some states after the Revolution) required farmers to grow it. It wasn't until the US suddenly outlawed it in 1937 that cultivation stopped and then, because of how easily the plant grows, decades of eradication were required to get it stop growing wild in every roadside ditch in the nation (hence, how it acquired the nickname "weed").

Originally posted by: Tabb

Originally posted by: myusername
The reason marijauna was made illegal is because the hemp industry posed a significant threat to DuPont's burgeoning synthetic textile industry.

And I am sure it's still illegal because of this... :roll:

Of course that's the reason, dumbass. If we couldn't make rope out of nylon, then hemp would have to be legal because it would the only other viable source from which to make rope. I won't say that DuPont had hemp made illegal (that's a whole other issue), but hemp could never have been made illegal if DuPont hadn't developed nylon.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Who's watching your child when you and your husband are getting high?

Who was watching you, when your parents were having sex , after they had you? Or they never did, seeing what came out? Riprorin, are you really looking for a flame war?

Take your head out of your ass. Smoking a pipe (not even a joint) on a week-end evening, when there are friends around, or when you just want to have fun (all while the child is in another room) is just as natural as having a good glass of wine, brandy or champagne, some ice-cream chocolate or a few servings of caviar.

Am I looking for a flame war? No. But apparently you are.

I think that the fact you are so defensive says a lot. It tells me that in your heart of hearts you know that it's not right to get stoned when you have a young child in your home.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
I want to change hearts and minds.

Rip, people have been smoking marijuana for 1000's of years. Do you think they are going to all just stop, because it's unhealthy, or because it causes temporary memory loss? Or because some study shows how ignorant it can be? If you believe that, you're dumber than I thought.

While you are trying to "change the hearts and minds," the current system in place is costing this country many billions of dollars every year, not just in enforcing the laws, but in lost taxes. Do you know how big the marijuana business is? Probably not, because you obviously have no earthly idea just how many people consume it. In many, MANY, neighborhoods, it is easier for children to obtain marijuana than alcohol, and that's why we have so many teens trying it. More so than they will admit to.

Why don't you stop trying to "change hearts and minds," and look at ways in solving the actual problems.

Prohibition didn't work for alcohol, and it sure as hell aint working for marijuana, either.

Look at our schools and look how many kids are smoking weed, look how many are abusing it. That is life under the current system, and that is a fact, and I'd like to make it better. You don't seem to want to change anything, except for human nature. And you're a damn fool if you think you can change that.

 

[PatboyX]

Originally posted by: cobalt

Originally posted by: PatboyX

Originally posted by: Gen Stonewall
Legalizing marijuana will only increase the number of people using it. It has no benefit to anyone and probably should stay illegal (especially since it is not widely used in the mainstream populace).

Even more important than that, it seems that Rip lives only a few miles away from me. What town do you live in (or are you in the city)?

from what ive read, pot would serve no purpose if legalized. very few uses and none of those are proven.
at the same time...i see no reason not to legalize it ala liquor.

Actually the usefullness of the plant is tremendous. Google the history of marijuana before it was made illegal.

right, but i thought we were talking about the drug. not the plant. there is a difference between the two types of hemp. i see no reason not to legalize either one of the two....but obviously the recreational drug serves no more purpose than alcohol (or, as mentioned by gunslinger above, twinkies and other garbage)

 

[i3rYs0n]

Originally posted by: BBond
Everything is addictive physhologically. Food is. Chocolate is.

Watch out for that new high potency chocolate. Just say no.

exactly, more thc in pot is just like more sugar in chocholatte. You can only use either in moderation, and if you do either to much, you could have serious health probs.

Just make sure you keep it in check

 

[i3rYs0n]

Originally posted by: Tabb
First of all

1)Prove to me weed is not as bad as alcohol.

2)Any statistics relating to weed related deaths are irreverent, find me a active MJ smoker who doesn't actively smoke tobacco.

Weed WILL NEVER be legalized, its just as bad as tobacco which IMHO tobacco is the worst thing in the world today.

1) Alcohol harms your liver with excessive use (same with lungs for MJ). Alcohol is a depression drug, therefore when used sometimes it could cause the user to become depressed for the day. (Also could happen with the highs/lows/ of MJ).

-The only discrepancy between he two, is that alcohol can sometimes cause someone to vomit (hangover, etc), loose control, and possibly be stupid enough to drive.

MJ on the other hand rarely causes someone to throw up (rarely cuz I had this idiot friend one time, but something else was wrong with him other than that). I also doubt anyone would loose control and get really mad and pissed off when blazed. Also, weed although hinders your perception and reaction time, doesn?t do it quite as much as alcohol does.

I guess it is a matter of opinion.

2) Ok tobacco is bad, because of the nicotine. When someone has cravings they will smoke a cigarette, and therefore continue to smoke more and more often with each passing day. Pot on the other hand with the newer more potent (slang ?nuggs?) you can smoke one or two times and be pretty blazed for the night, and be done for the day. Therefore MJ isn?t as bad as tobacco.

Oh, btw I hate the smell of cigarettes, and do not allow anyone to smoke them around me. I can't even smoke one when i drink.


Bryson

 

[AnitaPeterson]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Who's watching your child when you and your husband are getting high?

Who was watching you, when your parents were having sex , after they had you? Or they never did, seeing what came out? Riprorin, are you really looking for a flame war?

Take your head out of your ass. Smoking a pipe (not even a joint) on a week-end evening, when there are friends around, or when you just want to have fun (all while the child is in another room) is just as natural as having a good glass of wine, brandy or champagne, some ice-cream chocolate or a few servings of caviar.

Am I looking for a flame war? No. But apparently you are.

I think that the fact you are so defensive says a lot. It tells me that in your heart of hearts you know that it's not right to get stoned when you have a young child in your home.

LOL, amateur Freud hour... Go fiddle someplace else, I'm out of change, troll.

 

[magomago]

So are you saying you'd agree with pot as long as it didn't exceed the strenth that was avalible in the 60s and 70s?

 

[TuxDave]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Who's watching your child when you and your husband are getting high?

Who was watching you, when your parents were having sex , after they had you? Or they never did, seeing what came out? Riprorin, are you really looking for a flame war?

Take your head out of your ass. Smoking a pipe (not even a joint) on a week-end evening, when there are friends around, or when you just want to have fun (all while the child is in another room) is just as natural as having a good glass of wine, brandy or champagne, some ice-cream chocolate or a few servings of caviar.

Am I looking for a flame war? No. But apparently you are.

I think that the fact you are so defensive says a lot. It tells me that in your heart of hearts you know that it's not right to get stoned when you have a young child in your home.

Rip, you are getting very rude. I know you're a parent and you have your ways of raising a child, but it's not your place to question the parenting skills of another person you barely know.

 

[stratman]

Marijuana smoke: It is bad for you. Smoke from any plant will have tars and some carcinogens.

But this is not an arguement against legalization. If you continually inject wood pulp in to your veins you will die -- so should we make wood illegal?

None of you, from now on, use the 'smoke causes cancer' arguements against marijuana, because it has nothing to do with the marijuana, but with the method of choice of using marijuana.

The government should tell people that ingesting marijuana is 'better for you' than smoking it.



The only arguements against marijuana use that hold wieght IMO are the studies that have shown higher risk of schizophrenia for users, and loss of memory for users. And these arguements by themselves have no impact on the issue of legalization.

Pilot studies and estimations must be done as to whether more people would use if marijuana was legal.

 

[Tylanner]

My take.

There is no doubt more people would do pot if it were legal.

Legalizing Pot would almost instatly convert ciggers to pot heads.

I believe legalization of pot would have a disaterous effect on our education system as a whole.

Also it would only send us down a "slippery slope" of legalizing more and more drugs.

 

[imported_hscorpio]

Originally posted by: Tabb
Weed is actually worse than Tobacco, sorry guys.
Cannabis smoke worse than tobacco smoke

Inhaling smoke is bad for your lungs no matter what it is your burning. This is really the only harmful aspect of marijuana. However, it can be minimized by smoking stronger pot (therefore smoking less) or vaporising. Eating pot is the safest method but it will never be as popular as smoking since it is hard to control the dosage (easy to eat to much and get a lot higher than you ever wanted too).

The greatest danger from tobacco is that it's so damn addicting. Plus it's not just the smoke from tobacco that causes cancer, its the actual tobacco(nicotine) itself. Think about all the oral cancer tobacco chewers/dippers get.

There have been scientific findings that suggest THC actually prevents the spread of tumors/cancer cells.
Pot & tumors.
Marijuana & cancer.
This may be why long term heavy pot smokers don't have cancer rates similar to tobacco smokers.

THC stays in your head for almost months, even if you do a get vaporizers you're still hurting yourself and damaging your memory...

Actually it's more like a few weeks not months. Also the THC is not the dangerous part of marijuana. It is one of the safest drugs there is. The inherent danger from marijuana is the SMOKE! Get rid of the smoke and pot is by far one of the least dangerous/toxic drugs around.

Smoking pot is bad for you, thats why its illegal! Its just as bad as smoking cigs! Which is really bad! Look at all of diseases that you hear about, lung cancer and heart disease. I wonder what causes those! As for those Weed-Related deaths, how many doctors ask terminaly ill patents if they smoked weed?

You really have a poor understanding of the cause of marijuana prohibition in the United States. I suggest you read Smoke and Mirrors by Dan Baum. It is an excellent look into the origins of marijuana prohibition and the drug war. The history of marijuana in the US is a complex and fascinating story.
History of maryj prohibition.

You have much to learn.

I think you also really need to examine the health dangers of pot more closely. Don't just read the DEA/prohibitionists funded studies that were set up for the sole purpose of supporting continued marijuana prohibition.

Have you ever heard of the government Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse from 1971?
I doubt you've ever read the DEA's own Administrative Law Judge's findings on the Marijuana Rescheduling Petition either.

It's time to start thinking independently and stop swallowing all the misinformation about pot.

 

[imported_hscorpio]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Colchicine induces polyploidy (work safe, so check it out if you want), which basically increases the chromosome content in cells, which means an increase in the production of THC for pot. Colchicine does impart super-potency to pot.

btw, I'm not pulling this information from something I've read in the past or out of any dark biological recesses either, just to let you know. I'll just say I've directly observed it being done, some time ago, and leave it at that.

I think you might be mistaken about the point of using colchicine. I believe it is mainly a tool for breeders to cause mutations. There is no guarantee the mutations will be benefitial. Breeders do this to some seeds then grow them out and their progeny out in the hopes of finding a very desirable female plant that can be used to create a new strain. Some breeders appear to frown on this method and prefer to try and find good plants the natural way.

Here is a thread about colchicine from a marijauna growing forum overgrow.

 

[imported_hscorpio]

Originally posted by: kissnup
I?m in the middle as far a legalizing or not legalizing pot. My first thought is not to legalize. Does society really need another mind-altering drug that is easily accessible at our nearby liquor store? Yet, if we look at this realistically the system we have in place has failed. Our prisons are full, our judicial system is crammed with these cases, and we spend billions of our tax dollars fighting this crime.

If legal, the government can minimize, or eliminate, the crap that is currently being mixed with pot. I would think the purer the drug, the fewer side effects. If need be, the gov. can reduce the potency by adding a safe ingredient. Although legalization of pot will bring down the number of drug dealers on the streets, it will not eliminate them entirely. My feeling is that many dealers will simply shift their business from pot to selling and pushing the harder drugs. These harder drugs then become more easily accessible to our kids.

The problem here is that many people can't seem to realize/admit that marijuana prohibition is a HUGE failure.

Some people think that marijuana being illegal actually stops people from smoking it. This is not the case. Marijuana is already widely available and used. It's not like the laws against pot are a dam holding off the eventual flood of marijuana use if it were legal. The people who want to use pot can and do regardless of the law.

The point of legalization is to take the distribution system out of the hands of criminals and into the hands of law abiding business owners where it can be regulated and monitored. Don't be fooled though, the distribution system exists regardless.

This whole "pot is more dangerous than it used to be" argument is used to invalidate the experience of millions of baby boomers who are now in political control. That slate article linked to earlier really hit the nail on the head. Millions of people since the 60's have tried pot and their experiences contradict all the scare tactics/misinformation the government has been telling us about pot.

So now this "it's not your fathers pot" argument allows people to dismiss their personal knowledge/experience that pot is mostly harmless. This way the baby boomers can support pot prohibition by believing that even though the pot they smoked was harmless, the "new" pot is different and dangerous.

 

[imported_hscorpio]

Originally posted by: Tylanner
My take.

There is no doubt more people would do pot if it were legal.

Legalizing Pot would almost instatly convert ciggers to pot heads.

I believe legalization of pot would have a disaterous effect on our education system as a whole.

Also it would only send us down a "slippery slope" of legalizing more and more drugs.

You clearly are not familar with the dutch marijuana use rates. They have a lower rate of pot use even though you can legally buy up to 5 grams in special shops there.

Also pot isn't for everyone. Many people experiment with it but soon stop. Surprisingly most people prefer to drink the much more toxic drug alcohol.