Potent Pot

[Howard]

Originally posted by: Tabb
Bamacre, explain to me why the United States should infact legalize (or decriminalize) the use a harmfull product, WITHOUT bringing other drugs or products into the conversation.

Because it would eliminate crowding of the prison system (many inmates are in for pot smoking, which doesn't harm others), innocent people wouldn't get injured while passing through traps in marijuana fields, and so that people who truly need medicinal marijuana don't have to jump through hoops to get it or to have it denied to them, and so that the government can make money by taxing one of the largest cash crops in the nation, so that people can enjoy its effects without being afraid (come on, should you really legislate something that doesn't hurt anybody?) , and so that people can grow it for OTHER uses without being hassled (rope, cloth, PAPER, etc.), etc. etc.

If you want, I can give you more reasons.

By the way, give me a link or other source where it EXPLICITLY states that somebody was harmed BECAUSE of inhaling the smoke of a THC-containing cannibus product. I can, of course, understand that somebody could be driving while high and drive like a drunkard, but I haven't heard of any of those cases yet.

After all, we are talking about pot not anything else.

Which basically means that you are unwilling to approach the task of explaining the government's hyprocrisy in disallowing marijuana and not alcohol and tobacco products, both of which are proven to be more dangerous than marijuana products (and when eaten, it does NOTHING harmful to the body).

Hemp seed oil has been dubbed, "Nature's most perfectly balanced oil" due to the fact that it contains the perfectly balanced 3:1 ratio of both the required essential fatty acids (EFAs) for long term human consumption.]

http://www.hempoilcan.com/compo.html

Hemp seed has many nutritional benefits. It contains a high proportion of amino acids in ratios best suited for human assimilation

http://www.dailybread.co.uk/food/hemp.htm

Hemp seed shares with no other plant resource, both a high content of easily digestible complete protein and a rich endowment of oil providing a favorable ratio of the linoleic (C18:2w6) and linolenic (C18:3w3) essential fatty acids required for proper human nutrition, in addition to a significant contribution of gamma-linolenic (C18:3w6) acid of potential therapeutic efficacy.

http://mojo.calyx.net/~olsen/HEMP/IHA/iha03101.html

Hemp is an annual fiber crop with over 25,000 known uses...For example, Roulac suggests that "one acre of industrial hemp can produce up to four times as much paper as one acre of trees" (HH viii). Hemp can be grown in most fields "with little or no herbicides or insecticides" and rotates well with grain, beans, and flax...The oils of the hemp plant have been made into both biodegradable plastics (HH 120) and ethanol fuels (BOH). Both of these uses of hemp oil would be more ecologically sound when compared to using their petroleum counterparts because most petroleum-based plastics are not biodegradable and the burning of petroleum-based gasoline, unlike biomass (plant) fuel, is a major cause of air pollution.

http://www.rense.com/1.imagesF/hempuses.jpg

And if you're wondering why I'm talking about non-THC-containing hemp, I believe it is illegal to grow that, too.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Tabb
Bamacre, explain to me why the United States should infact legalize (or decriminalize) the use a harmfull product, WITHOUT bringing other drugs or products into the conversation. After all, we are talking about pot not anything else.

Well, at least you admit that when pot is compared to alcohol, you lose the argument.

It's like I told Rip, it's as much of a problem now than it would be if it were decriminalized, or legalized. The War on Pot is a multi-billion dollar burden for tax payers. Is it working? Is it keeping anyone at all away from pot? Has it made it difficult for me to obtain it? Has it made pot so expensive, most people can't afford it?

The current laws for marijuana have failed, bigtime.

What is your solution to the problem? Are you like Rip, do you think people will stop smokig marijuana because they read studies showing it to be unhealthy, addictive, not "cool?" Do you think you can change human nature? Do you want to keep this bogus, multi-billion-dollar war on pot? Do you want the current system in tact? Do you want our children in the neighborhoods of America to be able to get marijuana with less difficulty than alcohol?

Or maybe, you think if we make the laws even tougher, people will quit? Maybe the secret pot police can search every house in America, listen to every phone call, put cameras in people's living room's? Flag everyone who buys a Pink Floyd or Snoop Dogg CD?

Come on, you must have a better solution to the problem, if you think mine won't work. Let's hear it.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Tabb
Bamacre, explain to me why the United States should infact legalize (or decriminalize) the use a harmfull product, WITHOUT bringing other drugs or products into the conversation. After all, we are talking about pot not anything else.

Well, at least you admit that when pot is compared to alcohol, you lose the argument.

It's like I told Rip, it's as much of a problem now than it would be if it were decriminalized, or legalized. The War on Pot is a multi-billion dollar burden for tax payers. Is it working? Is it keeping anyone at all away from pot? Has it made it difficult for me to obtain it? Has it made pot so expensive, most people can't afford it?

The current laws for marijuana have failed, bigtime.

What is your solution to the problem? Are you like Rip, do you think people will stop smokig marijuana because they read studies showing it to be unhealthy, addictive, not "cool?" Do you think you can change human nature? Do you want to keep this bogus, multi-billion-dollar war on pot? Do you want the current system in tact? Do you want our children in the neighborhoods of America to be able to get marijuana with less difficulty than alcohol?

Or maybe, you think if we make the laws even tougher, people will quit? Maybe the secret pot police can search every house in America, listen to every phone call, put cameras in people's living room's? Flag everyone who buys a Pink Floyd or Snoop Dogg CD?

Come on, you must have a better solution to the problem, if you think mine won't work. Let's hear it.

First off all prove to me the "War on Pot" is a multi-Billion Dollar Burden for Tax Payers. Is it keeping some people away from pot? Absolutely, some people don't want to be near any illegal substances. Is it difficult to obtain, to an extent. Is it expensive? Depends what you consider expensive.

Are the current law failing? What percentage of pot do we catch going through our borders each day?

My solution to the problem? In my opinion I think a better education for our Youth would a better start. They more intellegent they are the more intellegent choices they will make. The "Just Say No" Campagain is absurd and our health classes are stupid "Pot is bad for your lungs." We need to go more indepth then that. In personal opinion I beileve it could be decriminalized and use the fines to fund Education/Rehab Programs.

Come on, you must have a better solution to the problem, if you think mine won't work. Let's hear it.

What is your solution exactly? Why should we legalize something that is bad for us?

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: Tabb

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Tabb
Bamacre, explain to me why the United States should infact legalize (or decriminalize) the use a harmfull product, WITHOUT bringing other drugs or products into the conversation. After all, we are talking about pot not anything else.

Well, at least you admit that when pot is compared to alcohol, you lose the argument.

It's like I told Rip, it's as much of a problem now than it would be if it were decriminalized, or legalized. The War on Pot is a multi-billion dollar burden for tax payers. Is it working? Is it keeping anyone at all away from pot? Has it made it difficult for me to obtain it? Has it made pot so expensive, most people can't afford it?

The current laws for marijuana have failed, bigtime.

What is your solution to the problem? Are you like Rip, do you think people will stop smokig marijuana because they read studies showing it to be unhealthy, addictive, not "cool?" Do you think you can change human nature? Do you want to keep this bogus, multi-billion-dollar war on pot? Do you want the current system in tact? Do you want our children in the neighborhoods of America to be able to get marijuana with less difficulty than alcohol?

Or maybe, you think if we make the laws even tougher, people will quit? Maybe the secret pot police can search every house in America, listen to every phone call, put cameras in people's living room's? Flag everyone who buys a Pink Floyd or Snoop Dogg CD?

Come on, you must have a better solution to the problem, if you think mine won't work. Let's hear it.

First off all prove to me the "War on Pot" is a multi-Billion Dollar Burden for Tax Payers. Is it keeping some people away from pot? Absolutely, some people don't want to be near any illegal substances. Is it difficult to obtain, to an extent. Is it expensive? Depends what you consider expensive.

Are the current law failing? What percentage of pot do we catch going through our borders each day?

My solution to the problem? In my opinion I think a better education for our Youth would a better start. They more intellegent they are the more intellegent choices they will make. The "Just Say No" Campagain is absurd and our health classes are stupid "Pot is bad for your lungs." We need to go more indepth then that. In personal opinion I beileve it could be decriminalized and use the fines to fund Education/Rehab Programs.

Come on, you must have a better solution to the problem, if you think mine won't work. Let's hear it.

What is your solution exactly? Why should we legalize something that is bad for us?

Tell the people who use medicinal marijuana rather than narcotics that it's "bad for us".

Aspirin comes from a plant. 99% of all drugs come from flora and fauna. Did the medical community refuse to investigate the medicinal use of those plants? Refusing to investigate the medicinal use of marijuana is just plain stupid. Instead people are forced to find suppliers on the street rather than pharmaceutical grade prescriptions they can use without fear. Or they are forced to use narcotics.

Arcane drug laws are responsible for a large percentage of people behind bars in America today. That alone costs us billions of dollars.

 

[Howard]

Tabb, can you prove that marijuana is bad?

Let me try another approach. Tabb, you seem to believe that harmful substances should be illegal, as evidenced by this question:

What is your solution exactly? Why should we legalize something that is bad for us?

Well, because government shouldn't be able to control what you willing do to your own body, especially if it doesn't cost the government any money. Besides, why is alcohol legal? Why is tobacco legal? Why are medicines with potentially harmful side effects legal? They're obviously bad for you, right? By your own logic, they should all be illegal.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Howard
Tabb, can you prove that marijuana is bad?

Let me try another approach. Tabb, you seem to believe that harmful substances should be illegal, as evidenced by this question:

What is your solution exactly? Why should we legalize something that is bad for us?

Well, because government shouldn't be able to control what you willing do to your own body, especially if it doesn't cost the government any money. Besides, why is alcohol legal? Why is tobacco legal? Why are medicines with potentially harmful side effects legal? They're obviously bad for you, right? By your own logic, they should all be illegal.

I can prove that its bad for your health, thats been done before. Now as for the goverment being able to control you, in our lovely system we are barred from hurting other, including ourselves. If you looked at a recent smoking study, you will find that it does cost society money. The only reason smoking tobacco and Alcholol are illegal is because they are so intergrated with our society. If Alcohol showed just was created today, it would be illegal. If we weren't stupid idiots back in the day, tobacco would be illegal. Medicienes that have certain benfits are legal, to a certian extent. As for medical marjiuna, I personally myself have no problem with it.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: Tabb

Originally posted by: Howard
Tabb, can you prove that marijuana is bad?

Let me try another approach. Tabb, you seem to believe that harmful substances should be illegal, as evidenced by this question:

What is your solution exactly? Why should we legalize something that is bad for us?

Well, because government shouldn't be able to control what you willing do to your own body, especially if it doesn't cost the government any money. Besides, why is alcohol legal? Why is tobacco legal? Why are medicines with potentially harmful side effects legal? They're obviously bad for you, right? By your own logic, they should all be illegal.

I can prove that its bad for your health, thats been done before. Now as for the goverment being able to control you, in our lovely system we are barred from hurting other, including ourselves. If you looked at a recent smoking study, you will find that it does cost society money. The only reason smoking tobacco and Alcholol are illegal is because they are so intergrated with our society. If Alcohol showed just was created today, it would be illegal. If we weren't stupid idiots back in the day, tobacco would be illegal. Medicienes that have certain benfits are legal, to a certian extent. As for medical marjiuna, I personally myself have no problem with it.

Man has been fermenting various ingredients for eons. Tobacco was introduced to Europeans by Native Americans. Marijuana has been used for eons. It is only in recent times, the 1930s, that marijuana has been castigated as the great evil while alcohol and tobacco have been allowed to remain because of the huge profits their sale generates.

It's time for pharmaceutical firms to pursue the palliative benefits of marijuana. It's only a drug just like all the others. To ignore an effective source of non-narcotic of pain relief based on non-scientific bias is just ridiculous.

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: Tabb

Originally posted by: Howard
Tabb, can you prove that marijuana is bad?

Let me try another approach. Tabb, you seem to believe that harmful substances should be illegal, as evidenced by this question:

What is your solution exactly? Why should we legalize something that is bad for us?

Well, because government shouldn't be able to control what you willing do to your own body, especially if it doesn't cost the government any money. Besides, why is alcohol legal? Why is tobacco legal? Why are medicines with potentially harmful side effects legal? They're obviously bad for you, right? By your own logic, they should all be illegal.

I can prove that its bad for your health, thats been done before.

Howard: Well, I'm so glad you proved that it's bad for my health. :roll: Care to try again?

Actually, I will admit that smoking anything harms the body to a certain extent, but I don't believe that there have been any documented cases where somebody has been inflicted with a disease BECAUSE of cannabis. I asked you previously to show me at least one, but either you ignored it, or you couldn't.


Now as for the goverment being able to control you, in our lovely system we are barred from hurting other, including ourselves.

Howard: We are not barred from hurting each other; we are merely punished if we do so in a way that contravenes the laws. But what does this have to do with my point? That government knows best?

If you looked at a recent smoking study, you will find that it does cost society money.

Howard: If I looked at a recent smoking study? Wow, thanks for pointing me out to a few hundred of them. How about that study that suggests that smokers actually save society money by dying earlier? I'm not kidding, either.

Another way to put it: So? What's your point?

The only reason smoking tobacco and Alcholol are illegal is because they are so intergrated with our society.

Howard: I believe you meant that they're "legal" because they're so integrated with our society. What exactly do you mean by that? That they're widely used? So was asbestos, you know, and we got rid of that one pretty easily. But it wasn't so easy when we tried to outlaw alcohol, and I'm sure you know what happened there.

If Alcohol showed just was created today, it would be illegal.

English... do you speak it? Did you mean that if people figured out how to brew, ferment, and distill today, that it would be outlawed? We don't know for sure, but what I DO know is that people would drink alcohol-containing products anyway.

If we weren't stupid idiots back in the day, tobacco would be illegal.

Howard: Ah, two assumptions. How exactly were we stupid idiots back in the day? Because we didn't have studies (or enough conclusive ones, anyway) to show that tobacco was harmful? Again, see the last sentence of the previous point.

Medicienes that have certain benfits are legal, to a certian extent.

Now you're saying medicines "with certain benefits" are partially legal?

As for medical marjiuna, I personally myself have no problem with it.

Good. But why are so many people having trouble getting it?

 

[BBond]

My point is this, if the pharmaceutical houses would study marijuana I'm certain they could isolate the palliative ingredients and refine them so smoking to gain the effects would be unnecessary.

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: BBond
My point is this, if the pharmaceutical houses would study marijuana I'm certain they could isolate the palliative ingredients and refine them so smoking to gain the effects would be unnecessary.

http://www.ardpark.org/reference/marinol.htm

They'd better try harder.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: Tabb

Originally posted by: Howard
Tabb, can you prove that marijuana is bad?

Let me try another approach. Tabb, you seem to believe that harmful substances should be illegal, as evidenced by this question:

What is your solution exactly? Why should we legalize something that is bad for us?

Well, because government shouldn't be able to control what you willing do to your own body, especially if it doesn't cost the government any money. Besides, why is alcohol legal? Why is tobacco legal? Why are medicines with potentially harmful side effects legal? They're obviously bad for you, right? By your own logic, they should all be illegal.

I can prove that its bad for your health, thats been done before.

Howard: Well, I'm so glad you proved that it's bad for my health. :roll: Care to try again?

Actually, I will admit that smoking anything harms the body to a certain extent, but I don't believe that there have been any documented cases where somebody has been inflicted with a disease BECAUSE of cannabis. I asked you previously to show me at least one, but either you ignored it, or you couldn't.


Now as for the goverment being able to control you, in our lovely system we are barred from hurting other, including ourselves.

Howard: We are not barred from hurting each other; we are merely punished if we do so in a way that contravenes the laws. But what does this have to do with my point? That government knows best?

If you looked at a recent smoking study, you will find that it does cost society money.

Howard: If I looked at a recent smoking study? Wow, thanks for pointing me out to a few hundred of them. How about that study that suggests that smokers actually save society money by dying earlier? I'm not kidding, either.

Another way to put it: So? What's your point?

The only reason smoking tobacco and Alcholol are illegal is because they are so intergrated with our society.

Howard: I believe you meant that they're "legal" because they're so integrated with our society. What exactly do you mean by that? That they're widely used? So was asbestos, you know, and we got rid of that one pretty easily. But it wasn't so easy when we tried to outlaw alcohol, and I'm sure you know what happened there.

If Alcohol showed just was created today, it would be illegal.

English... do you speak it? Did you mean that if people figured out how to brew, ferment, and distill today, that it would be outlawed? We don't know for sure, but what I DO know is that people would drink alcohol-containing products anyway.

If we weren't stupid idiots back in the day, tobacco would be illegal.

Howard: Ah, two assumptions. How exactly were we stupid idiots back in the day? Because we didn't have studies (or enough conclusive ones, anyway) to show that tobacco was harmful? Again, see the last sentence of the previous point.

Medicienes that have certain benfits are legal, to a certian extent.

Now you're saying medicines "with certain benefits" are partially legal?

As for medical marjiuna, I personally myself have no problem with it.

Good. But why are so many people having trouble getting it?

How many doctors actually ask the terminally ill, did you smoke pot? Do you activilly smoke it up? No, they don't. I would assume someone intelligent as yourself would be able to answer a common-sense question as to why pot is bad for you.

We are barred from hurting each other and ourselves. What do you think people are put in jail for or asylums? Our goverment makes substances like pot for example illegal because it is harmfull to us. Why should we have another harmful drug on the market? As for a society that saves money by people dying eariler, I have yet to see one.

I speak English, you understood me. Those that promoted Tobacco used their money a leverage to make sure the goverment didnt find out it was actually extremely bad for you. This isn't a assumpition.

As for medical MJ I don't know why it isn't legal or if it is illegal for medical use. I have no problems with it being used for medical use.

 

[Eli]

/peeks in

Hmmm.... this thread is too long and full of bullsh!t already. I'm not going to read it right now.

First and foremost, the health effects can absolutely not be the reason for it being against the law. Well, they could, but that would make our lawmakers and therefor the majority of the population hipocritical morons. I suppose that is a strong possibility. You don't need extensive studies to realize that cannabis isn't as harmful as cigarettes or alcohol. How many people in the history of mankind have died from smoking cannabis? Maybe a few? Some dumbass with asthma or something? You get the point.

I mean, do you think that alcohol and cigarettes are good for you? It doesen't make any sense.

I suppose if you believe that alcohol and cigarettes should also be banned, I could at least commend you for consistency. But I don't agree with that "world view" at all.

Quite frankly, it doesen't matter if it's against the law or not. Just like with Prohibition; people will drink if they want to drink, people will smoke if they want to smoke. You can't stop them.

Forcing the culture underground does nothing except create under the radar networks. It is never hard to get it if you want it.

Infact, the act of being forced underground by prohibition makes it easier and more worthwhile for the networks to exist in the first place. It drives prices up. These higher prices make it harder for users to get their fix, leading them to commit crimes in order to supplement their addiction, all the while lining the pockets of the dealers.

Just as there are responsible drinkers, there are also responsible cannabis users. So what if someone likes to relax to a bowl after an 8 or 10 hour day? Is that really so bad as to consider it a crime? While alcohol and even cigarettes remain legal, it is discrimination. Who are you to say that I can't smoke a bowl, but you can go get your drug of choice at any 7-11?

:frown:

Now, obviously we don't want people to become addicted in the first place. This is the point that you have to stop and think; is it the person or the drug that causes them to become addicted?

Basic analytical evidence leads me to believe that it is the person, since not all people become addicted to any drug. The drugs are more or less the same, the huge number of variables are within each individual.

So, why are some people prone to becomming addicted while others aren't? I don't think we really know, other than the big things.. like abuse as a child. Those are the issues we need to address.

It has always been human nature to alter their state of conciousness. Is there any such thing as "perfect"? It's probably ingrained in our genes as a survival or coping mechanism. You think we have problems now? I seriously doubt it was any better 10,000 years ago.

Edit: As for the whole "more potent, more dangerous" thing.. I say horsesh!t. That is certainly true with some drugs.. but it doesen't apply to pot. You can't OD, so who cares?

So you're telling me there are more people falling asleep on their couches, doritos in hand, all across america than ever before? Say it ain't so!

You can get just as high off schwag as you can the dankest sh!t ever, it just takes much, much more effort and most people don't bother. Why would you want to smoke for an hour straight when you could do the same thing with 5-6 hits of good stuff? Plus it's a waste.

Basically it's just more bullsh!t propaganda.

It's a plant. How incredibly ignorant do you have to be to believe that you can stop people from growing a plant?

It's like banning tomatos. Except cannabis is worth much, much more than tomatos. Yeah, that's going to work! :roll:

I say that it should be illegal to make growing something illegal. It is my God-given(for lack of a better term) right to grow anything I please.

 

[bamacre]

If the current laws worked, I would not be high right now.

But they don't.

 

[imported_hscorpio]

Originally posted by: Tabb
Bamacre, explain to me why the United States should infact legalize (or decriminalize) the use a harmfull product, WITHOUT bringing other drugs or products into the conversation. After all, we are talking about pot not anything else.

I see where you are coming from Tabb, but I think you are overemphasizing one aspect of the situation while completely ignoring another extremely important point.

All you are focusing on is the harmfulness of marijuana. Unfortunately you have been mislead into believing marijuana is much more harmful than it really is. It is not nearly AS harmful as you think.

The point you totally overlook is the very serious harm that results from the prohibition of marijuana. For some reason this is hard to grasp for some people.

So here's the basic reson that pot should be legalized:
Harm from marijuana prohibition >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> harm from marijuana use.
Can you justify putting a man in prison FOR LIFE because he grew some pot in his basement?
Do you know how many peoples lives have been ruined by a marijuana arrest?
The punishment should fit the crime, yet I and MANY other americans see no crime in using marijuana. This results in a disrespect for the law that has severe consequences for our society.

Governments role is to protect us from others, not ourselves.

PLEASE.... PLEASE educate yourself on the original causes of marijuana's prohibition. It had nothing to do with health.

Heres one link to get you started: Text. Or you can google for Anslinger and the 1937 marijuana tax act. This is a really interesting topic, especially for history buffs.

 

[imported_hscorpio]

This is a MUST read. This is very easy to read as it is from a speech to the california judges association in 1995 by Charles Whitebread. He is a law professor and has written two books on the history of marijuana prohibition in the US. Excellent non-biased author.

quote: from hearings on the national marijuana prohibition (the 1937 marijuana tax act)
The other piece of medical testimony came from a man named Dr. William C. Woodward. Dr. Woodward was both a lawyer and a doctor and he was Chief Counsel to the American Medical Association. Dr. Woodward came to testify at the behest of the American Medical Association saying, and I quote, "The American Medical Association knows of no evidence that marihuana is a dangerous drug."

What's amazing is not whether that's true or not. What's amazing is what the Congressmen then said to him. Immediately upon his saying, and I quote again, "The American Medical Association knows of no evidence that marihuana is a dangerous drug.", one of the Congressmen said, "Doctor, if you can't say something good about what we are trying to do, why don't you go home?"

That's an exact quote. The next Congressman said, "Doctor, if you haven't got something better to say than that, we are sick of hearing you."

Now, the interesting question for us is not about the medical evidence. The most fascinating question is: why was this legal counsel to the most prestigious group of doctors in the United States treated in such a high-handed way? And the answer makes a principle thesis of my work -- and that is -- you've seen it, you've been living it the last ten years. The history of drugs in this country perfectly mirrors the history of this country.

So look at the date -- 1937 -- what's going on in this country? Well, a lot of things, but the number one thing was that, in 1936, President Franklin Roosevelt was reelected in the largest landslide election in this country's history till then. He brought with him two Democrats for every Republican, all, or almost all of them pledged to that package of economic and social reform legislation we today call the New Deal.

And, did you know that the American Medical Association, from 1932, straight through 1937, had systematically opposed every single piece of New Deal legislation. So that, by 1937, this committee, heavily made up of New Deal Democrats is simply sick of hearing them: "Doctor, if you can't say something good about what we are trying to do, why don't you go home?"

So, over the objection of the American Medical Association, the bill passed out of committee and on to the floor of Congress.

So much for the assertion that marijuana was prohibited because of real health reasons. It was prohibited based on the FLAT OUT LIE that "Marihuana is an addictive drug which produces in its users insanity, criminality, and death."

Then 14 years later when confronted with contrary evidence guess what Anslinger (First Drug Czar) testified? He said marijuana's not addictive, does not cause insanity, and does not cause death BUT it is "the certain first step on the road to heroin addiction."

And so the pattern begins. Make false claims about the dangers of pot, then when confronted with contradicting evidence, modify or make up new claims. This "Potent pot is new & more dangerous" is just the latest claim of many.

When will you stop falling for it?

READ THAT LINK!

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Tabb

Originally posted by: Howard
Tabb, can you prove that marijuana is bad?

Let me try another approach. Tabb, you seem to believe that harmful substances should be illegal, as evidenced by this question:

What is your solution exactly? Why should we legalize something that is bad for us?

Well, because government shouldn't be able to control what you willing do to your own body, especially if it doesn't cost the government any money. Besides, why is alcohol legal? Why is tobacco legal? Why are medicines with potentially harmful side effects legal? They're obviously bad for you, right? By your own logic, they should all be illegal.

I can prove that its bad for your health, thats been done before. Now as for the goverment being able to control you, in our lovely system we are barred from hurting other, including ourselves. If you looked at a recent smoking study, you will find that it does cost society money. The only reason smoking tobacco and Alcholol are illegal is because they are so intergrated with our society. If Alcohol showed just was created today, it would be illegal. If we weren't stupid idiots back in the day, tobacco would be illegal. Medicienes that have certain benfits are legal, to a certian extent. As for medical marjiuna, I personally myself have no problem with it.

Man, you are very naive. News flash: marijuana is just as integrated into society as alcohol and tobacco. And if you think otherwise, you REALLY need to get out of the house more often.

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: LtPage1
the 41% statistic is meaningless. if you asked how many high school students have had sex, youd probably get an 80% "yes" rate, when the real number is closer to 20%.

Then how you believe any poll if you think people lie?...

The way i see it is the other way. More ppl are likely to say they have had sex as it is cool, most ppl want to at that age and it's not illegal.

Pot on the other hand, is illegal and ppl that age are less likely to say they smoke up as they could be charged. 41% is definately a lowball estimate.

I do however think the 80% is high...but not as low as you hope...maybe no less than 50%.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Eli
As for the whole "more potent, more dangerous" thing.. I say horsesh!t. That is certainly true with some drugs.. but it doesen't apply to pot. You can't OD, so who cares?

Very good point.

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: Tabb

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: Tabb

Originally posted by: Howard
Tabb, can you prove that marijuana is bad?

Let me try another approach. Tabb, you seem to believe that harmful substances should be illegal, as evidenced by this question:

What is your solution exactly? Why should we legalize something that is bad for us?

Well, because government shouldn't be able to control what you willing do to your own body, especially if it doesn't cost the government any money. Besides, why is alcohol legal? Why is tobacco legal? Why are medicines with potentially harmful side effects legal? They're obviously bad for you, right? By your own logic, they should all be illegal.

I can prove that its bad for your health, thats been done before.

Howard: Well, I'm so glad you proved that it's bad for my health. :roll: Care to try again?

Actually, I will admit that smoking anything harms the body to a certain extent, but I don't believe that there have been any documented cases where somebody has been inflicted with a disease BECAUSE of cannabis. I asked you previously to show me at least one, but either you ignored it, or you couldn't.


Now as for the goverment being able to control you, in our lovely system we are barred from hurting other, including ourselves.

Howard: We are not barred from hurting each other; we are merely punished if we do so in a way that contravenes the laws. But what does this have to do with my point? That government knows best?

If you looked at a recent smoking study, you will find that it does cost society money.

Howard: If I looked at a recent smoking study? Wow, thanks for pointing me out to a few hundred of them. How about that study that suggests that smokers actually save society money by dying earlier? I'm not kidding, either.

Another way to put it: So? What's your point?

The only reason smoking tobacco and Alcholol are illegal is because they are so intergrated with our society.

Howard: I believe you meant that they're "legal" because they're so integrated with our society. What exactly do you mean by that? That they're widely used? So was asbestos, you know, and we got rid of that one pretty easily. But it wasn't so easy when we tried to outlaw alcohol, and I'm sure you know what happened there.

If Alcohol showed just was created today, it would be illegal.

English... do you speak it? Did you mean that if people figured out how to brew, ferment, and distill today, that it would be outlawed? We don't know for sure, but what I DO know is that people would drink alcohol-containing products anyway.

If we weren't stupid idiots back in the day, tobacco would be illegal.

Howard: Ah, two assumptions. How exactly were we stupid idiots back in the day? Because we didn't have studies (or enough conclusive ones, anyway) to show that tobacco was harmful? Again, see the last sentence of the previous point.

Medicienes that have certain benfits are legal, to a certian extent.

Now you're saying medicines "with certain benefits" are partially legal?

As for medical marjiuna, I personally myself have no problem with it.

Good. But why are so many people having trouble getting it?

How many doctors actually ask the terminally ill, did you smoke pot? Do you activilly smoke it up? No, they don't. I would assume someone intelligent as yourself would be able to answer a common-sense question as to why pot is bad for you.

Howard: More and more evasion, eh? Why can you not prove to me that there has been a case... don't feel like typing out the whole thing every time, so I'll just call it a case. Besides, how do you know that doctors don't ask the terminally ill if they smoke pot?

We are barred from hurting each other and ourselves.
I just explained this to you. We're punished, but there's nothing stopping us from doing it.

What do you think people are put in jail for or asylums?
Because they broke the laws, but that doesn't mean it stopped them from doing it, now does it?

Our goverment makes substances like pot for example illegal because it is harmfull to us.
Cyclic reasoning!

Why should we have another harmful drug on the market?
Because the advantages of doing so outweigh the disadvantages. Did you ignore EVERYTHING else I said above?

As for a society that saves money by people dying eariler, I have yet to see one.
I'll try to dig up that study. Besides, just because you haven't thought about it doesn't mean that it doesn't happen.

I speak English, you understood me.
Then proofread your text before you post, so that there's zero chance of confusion.

Those that promoted Tobacco used their money a leverage to make sure the goverment didnt find out it was actually extremely bad for you. This isn't a assumpition.
You're probably right. I won't argue this point further.

As for medical MJ I don't know why it isn't legal or if it is illegal for medical use. I have no problems with it being used for medical use.
I believe that it is legal in only some states. Here's something to ponder, though of its veracity I'm not certain:

The federal Drug Enforcement Administration is raiding, attacking, and harassing patients and providers, often destroying patients' medicine. The U.S. Department of Justice, meanwhile, is prosecuting individuals who cultivate marijuana solely for the purpose of relieving the pain of others.

In each of these federal cases, legitimate medical marijuana patients and providers have been forced to stand trial gagged by judges who wouldn't allow information about legitimate medical use to reach the jurors. Instead, these defendants have been presented as common drug criminals.

http://www.mpp.org/USA/

As I said, I'm not entirely sure of the truth of that, but I do know that many patients with a legitimate use for medical marijuana are having a difficult time obtaining and using it.

 

[Howard]

I'll be glad when the number of posts breaks 200. That way I don't have to load all of the second page to see the latest replies.

Yes, I know, I could change the settings to lower the number of posts per page, but so far it's been more convenient for me to keep it at 100.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: Tabb

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: Tabb

Originally posted by: Howard
Tabb, can you prove that marijuana is bad?

Let me try another approach. Tabb, you seem to believe that harmful substances should be illegal, as evidenced by this question:

What is your solution exactly? Why should we legalize something that is bad for us?

Well, because government shouldn't be able to control what you willing do to your own body, especially if it doesn't cost the government any money. Besides, why is alcohol legal? Why is tobacco legal? Why are medicines with potentially harmful side effects legal? They're obviously bad for you, right? By your own logic, they should all be illegal.

I can prove that its bad for your health, thats been done before.

Howard: Well, I'm so glad you proved that it's bad for my health. :roll: Care to try again?

Actually, I will admit that smoking anything harms the body to a certain extent, but I don't believe that there have been any documented cases where somebody has been inflicted with a disease BECAUSE of cannabis. I asked you previously to show me at least one, but either you ignored it, or you couldn't.


Now as for the goverment being able to control you, in our lovely system we are barred from hurting other, including ourselves.

Howard: We are not barred from hurting each other; we are merely punished if we do so in a way that contravenes the laws. But what does this have to do with my point? That government knows best?

If you looked at a recent smoking study, you will find that it does cost society money.

Howard: If I looked at a recent smoking study? Wow, thanks for pointing me out to a few hundred of them. How about that study that suggests that smokers actually save society money by dying earlier? I'm not kidding, either.

Another way to put it: So? What's your point?

The only reason smoking tobacco and Alcholol are illegal is because they are so intergrated with our society.

Howard: I believe you meant that they're "legal" because they're so integrated with our society. What exactly do you mean by that? That they're widely used? So was asbestos, you know, and we got rid of that one pretty easily. But it wasn't so easy when we tried to outlaw alcohol, and I'm sure you know what happened there.

If Alcohol showed just was created today, it would be illegal.

English... do you speak it? Did you mean that if people figured out how to brew, ferment, and distill today, that it would be outlawed? We don't know for sure, but what I DO know is that people would drink alcohol-containing products anyway.

If we weren't stupid idiots back in the day, tobacco would be illegal.

Howard: Ah, two assumptions. How exactly were we stupid idiots back in the day? Because we didn't have studies (or enough conclusive ones, anyway) to show that tobacco was harmful? Again, see the last sentence of the previous point.

Medicienes that have certain benfits are legal, to a certian extent.

Now you're saying medicines "with certain benefits" are partially legal?

As for medical marjiuna, I personally myself have no problem with it.

Good. But why are so many people having trouble getting it?

How many doctors actually ask the terminally ill, did you smoke pot? Do you activilly smoke it up? No, they don't. I would assume someone intelligent as yourself would be able to answer a common-sense question as to why pot is bad for you.

Howard: More and more evasion, eh? Why can you not prove to me that there has been a case... don't feel like typing out the whole thing every time, so I'll just call it a case. Besides, how do you know that doctors don't ask the terminally ill if they smoke pot?

We are barred from hurting each other and ourselves.
I just explained this to you. We're punished, but there's nothing stopping us from doing it.

What do you think people are put in jail for or asylums?
Because they broke the laws, but that doesn't mean it stopped them from doing it, now does it?

Our goverment makes substances like pot for example illegal because it is harmfull to us.
Cyclic reasoning!

Why should we have another harmful drug on the market?
Because the advantages of doing so outweigh the disadvantages. Did you ignore EVERYTHING else I said above?

As for a society that saves money by people dying eariler, I have yet to see one.
I'll try to dig up that study. Besides, just because you haven't thought about it doesn't mean that it doesn't happen.

I speak English, you understood me.
Then proofread your text before you post, so that there's zero chance of confusion.

Those that promoted Tobacco used their money a leverage to make sure the goverment didnt find out it was actually extremely bad for you. This isn't a assumpition.
You're probably right. I won't argue this point further.

As for medical MJ I don't know why it isn't legal or if it is illegal for medical use. I have no problems with it being used for medical use.
I believe that it is legal in only some states. Here's something to ponder, though of its veracity I'm not certain:

The federal Drug Enforcement Administration is raiding, attacking, and harassing patients and providers, often destroying patients' medicine. The U.S. Department of Justice, meanwhile, is prosecuting individuals who cultivate marijuana solely for the purpose of relieving the pain of others.

In each of these federal cases, legitimate medical marijuana patients and providers have been forced to stand trial gagged by judges who wouldn't allow information about legitimate medical use to reach the jurors. Instead, these defendants have been presented as common drug criminals.

http://www.mpp.org/USA/

As I said, I'm not entirely sure of the truth of that, but I do know that many patients with a legitimate use for medical marijuana are having a difficult time obtaining and using it.

They don't ask, because they are more concerned with treating the patient.

If I am in jail or a Asylum how am I suppose to hurt someone? :|

I never saw those statistics for this "Billion Dollar War on Pot", why should I believe its a failing war?


In my personal opinion, the best arguement for legalization/decriminialization is you can't OD. Another good idea would be to fine parents/guardians who sons/daughters that caught with the substance underage.

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: Tabb

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: Tabb

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: Tabb

Originally posted by: Howard
Tabb, can you prove that marijuana is bad?

Let me try another approach. Tabb, you seem to believe that harmful substances should be illegal, as evidenced by this question:

What is your solution exactly? Why should we legalize something that is bad for us?

Well, because government shouldn't be able to control what you willing do to your own body, especially if it doesn't cost the government any money. Besides, why is alcohol legal? Why is tobacco legal? Why are medicines with potentially harmful side effects legal? They're obviously bad for you, right? By your own logic, they should all be illegal.

I can prove that its bad for your health, thats been done before.

Howard: Well, I'm so glad you proved that it's bad for my health. :roll: Care to try again?

Actually, I will admit that smoking anything harms the body to a certain extent, but I don't believe that there have been any documented cases where somebody has been inflicted with a disease BECAUSE of cannabis. I asked you previously to show me at least one, but either you ignored it, or you couldn't.


Now as for the goverment being able to control you, in our lovely system we are barred from hurting other, including ourselves.

Howard: We are not barred from hurting each other; we are merely punished if we do so in a way that contravenes the laws. But what does this have to do with my point? That government knows best?

If you looked at a recent smoking study, you will find that it does cost society money.

Howard: If I looked at a recent smoking study? Wow, thanks for pointing me out to a few hundred of them. How about that study that suggests that smokers actually save society money by dying earlier? I'm not kidding, either.

Another way to put it: So? What's your point?

The only reason smoking tobacco and Alcholol are illegal is because they are so intergrated with our society.

Howard: I believe you meant that they're "legal" because they're so integrated with our society. What exactly do you mean by that? That they're widely used? So was asbestos, you know, and we got rid of that one pretty easily. But it wasn't so easy when we tried to outlaw alcohol, and I'm sure you know what happened there.

If Alcohol showed just was created today, it would be illegal.

English... do you speak it? Did you mean that if people figured out how to brew, ferment, and distill today, that it would be outlawed? We don't know for sure, but what I DO know is that people would drink alcohol-containing products anyway.

If we weren't stupid idiots back in the day, tobacco would be illegal.

Howard: Ah, two assumptions. How exactly were we stupid idiots back in the day? Because we didn't have studies (or enough conclusive ones, anyway) to show that tobacco was harmful? Again, see the last sentence of the previous point.

Medicienes that have certain benfits are legal, to a certian extent.

Now you're saying medicines "with certain benefits" are partially legal?

As for medical marjiuna, I personally myself have no problem with it.

Good. But why are so many people having trouble getting it?

How many doctors actually ask the terminally ill, did you smoke pot? Do you activilly smoke it up? No, they don't. I would assume someone intelligent as yourself would be able to answer a common-sense question as to why pot is bad for you.

Howard: More and more evasion, eh? Why can you not prove to me that there has been a case... don't feel like typing out the whole thing every time, so I'll just call it a case. Besides, how do you know that doctors don't ask the terminally ill if they smoke pot?

We are barred from hurting each other and ourselves.
I just explained this to you. We're punished, but there's nothing stopping us from doing it.

What do you think people are put in jail for or asylums?
Because they broke the laws, but that doesn't mean it stopped them from doing it, now does it?

Our goverment makes substances like pot for example illegal because it is harmfull to us.
Cyclic reasoning!

Why should we have another harmful drug on the market?
Because the advantages of doing so outweigh the disadvantages. Did you ignore EVERYTHING else I said above?

As for a society that saves money by people dying eariler, I have yet to see one.
I'll try to dig up that study. Besides, just because you haven't thought about it doesn't mean that it doesn't happen.

I speak English, you understood me.
Then proofread your text before you post, so that there's zero chance of confusion.

Those that promoted Tobacco used their money a leverage to make sure the goverment didnt find out it was actually extremely bad for you. This isn't a assumpition.
You're probably right. I won't argue this point further.

As for medical MJ I don't know why it isn't legal or if it is illegal for medical use. I have no problems with it being used for medical use.
I believe that it is legal in only some states. Here's something to ponder, though of its veracity I'm not certain:

The federal Drug Enforcement Administration is raiding, attacking, and harassing patients and providers, often destroying patients' medicine. The U.S. Department of Justice, meanwhile, is prosecuting individuals who cultivate marijuana solely for the purpose of relieving the pain of others.

In each of these federal cases, legitimate medical marijuana patients and providers have been forced to stand trial gagged by judges who wouldn't allow information about legitimate medical use to reach the jurors. Instead, these defendants have been presented as common drug criminals.

http://www.mpp.org/USA/

As I said, I'm not entirely sure of the truth of that, but I do know that many patients with a legitimate use for medical marijuana are having a difficult time obtaining and using it.

They don't ask, because they are more concerned with treating the patient.
Doctors are concerned with treating ALL patients, or at least according to the Hippocratic oath, they are. But they occasionally do ask patients if they smoke marijuana, and why should the terminally ill be any different?

Please vote in this poll and observe the results.

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...8&threadid=1451691


If I am in jail or a Asylum how am I suppose to hurt someone? :|
Listen, buddy, why are you in jail in the first place? Because you hurt somebody, right? Well, how did a prison sentence stop you from committing that crime? ... It didn't! That's my whole point, and we should abandon this argument because it has nothing to do with marijuana anyway.

I never saw those statistics for this "Billion Dollar War on Pot", why should I believe its a failing war?
So do yourself a favor and Google "war on drugs". Be sure to read articles from both sides, and to disdain the propoganda (from both sides).

In my personal opinion, the best arguement for legalization/decriminialization is you can't OD.
What about all the other reasons I listed?

Another good idea would be to fine parents/guardians who sons/daughters that caught with the substance underage.
I wouldn't be opposed to this idea - IF you limit the responsibility of the parents until the children are of majority - but quite a few parents would scream and shout, IMO.

 

[imhotepmp]

Originally posted by: Gen Stonewall
Legalizing marijuana will only increase the number of people using it. It has no benefit to anyone and probably should stay illegal (especially since it is not widely used in the mainstream populace).

Even more important than that, it seems that Rip lives only a few miles away from me. What town do you live in (or are you in the city)?

With that line of reasoning shouldn't alcohol be illegal as well?
Alcohol has probably killed more people this year than marijuana has EVER.


It has no benefit to anyone?

How about people with glaucoma? cancer? asthma?
If you like I can post link to research done, but Ill leave that to since you seem so ignorant(in the context of the topic at hand. )

Not widely used in the populace?
Alot more people use it than you think.

You really need to do some more research before making blanket statements.

Originally posted by: BBond
I believe the pharmaceutical benefits of pot should be investigated. Aspirin comes from a plant -- so do most other drugs we take for granted. The efficacy of pot as a pain reliever is well documented. To keep an effective NON-NARCOTIC drug off the market because some people still believe the BS from "Reefer Madness" is ludicrous.

Imouthes

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: Tabb

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: Tabb

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: Tabb

Originally posted by: Howard
Tabb, can you prove that marijuana is bad?

Let me try another approach. Tabb, you seem to believe that harmful substances should be illegal, as evidenced by this question:

What is your solution exactly? Why should we legalize something that is bad for us?

Well, because government shouldn't be able to control what you willing do to your own body, especially if it doesn't cost the government any money. Besides, why is alcohol legal? Why is tobacco legal? Why are medicines with potentially harmful side effects legal? They're obviously bad for you, right? By your own logic, they should all be illegal.

I can prove that its bad for your health, thats been done before.

Howard: Well, I'm so glad you proved that it's bad for my health. :roll: Care to try again?

Actually, I will admit that smoking anything harms the body to a certain extent, but I don't believe that there have been any documented cases where somebody has been inflicted with a disease BECAUSE of cannabis. I asked you previously to show me at least one, but either you ignored it, or you couldn't.


Now as for the goverment being able to control you, in our lovely system we are barred from hurting other, including ourselves.

Howard: We are not barred from hurting each other; we are merely punished if we do so in a way that contravenes the laws. But what does this have to do with my point? That government knows best?

If you looked at a recent smoking study, you will find that it does cost society money.

Howard: If I looked at a recent smoking study? Wow, thanks for pointing me out to a few hundred of them. How about that study that suggests that smokers actually save society money by dying earlier? I'm not kidding, either.

Another way to put it: So? What's your point?

The only reason smoking tobacco and Alcholol are illegal is because they are so intergrated with our society.

Howard: I believe you meant that they're "legal" because they're so integrated with our society. What exactly do you mean by that? That they're widely used? So was asbestos, you know, and we got rid of that one pretty easily. But it wasn't so easy when we tried to outlaw alcohol, and I'm sure you know what happened there.

If Alcohol showed just was created today, it would be illegal.

English... do you speak it? Did you mean that if people figured out how to brew, ferment, and distill today, that it would be outlawed? We don't know for sure, but what I DO know is that people would drink alcohol-containing products anyway.

If we weren't stupid idiots back in the day, tobacco would be illegal.

Howard: Ah, two assumptions. How exactly were we stupid idiots back in the day? Because we didn't have studies (or enough conclusive ones, anyway) to show that tobacco was harmful? Again, see the last sentence of the previous point.

Medicienes that have certain benfits are legal, to a certian extent.

Now you're saying medicines "with certain benefits" are partially legal?

As for medical marjiuna, I personally myself have no problem with it.

Good. But why are so many people having trouble getting it?

How many doctors actually ask the terminally ill, did you smoke pot? Do you activilly smoke it up? No, they don't. I would assume someone intelligent as yourself would be able to answer a common-sense question as to why pot is bad for you.

Howard: More and more evasion, eh? Why can you not prove to me that there has been a case... don't feel like typing out the whole thing every time, so I'll just call it a case. Besides, how do you know that doctors don't ask the terminally ill if they smoke pot?

We are barred from hurting each other and ourselves.
I just explained this to you. We're punished, but there's nothing stopping us from doing it.

What do you think people are put in jail for or asylums?
Because they broke the laws, but that doesn't mean it stopped them from doing it, now does it?

Our goverment makes substances like pot for example illegal because it is harmfull to us.
Cyclic reasoning!

Why should we have another harmful drug on the market?
Because the advantages of doing so outweigh the disadvantages. Did you ignore EVERYTHING else I said above?

As for a society that saves money by people dying eariler, I have yet to see one.
I'll try to dig up that study. Besides, just because you haven't thought about it doesn't mean that it doesn't happen.

I speak English, you understood me.
Then proofread your text before you post, so that there's zero chance of confusion.

Those that promoted Tobacco used their money a leverage to make sure the goverment didnt find out it was actually extremely bad for you. This isn't a assumpition.
You're probably right. I won't argue this point further.

As for medical MJ I don't know why it isn't legal or if it is illegal for medical use. I have no problems with it being used for medical use.
I believe that it is legal in only some states. Here's something to ponder, though of its veracity I'm not certain:

The federal Drug Enforcement Administration is raiding, attacking, and harassing patients and providers, often destroying patients' medicine. The U.S. Department of Justice, meanwhile, is prosecuting individuals who cultivate marijuana solely for the purpose of relieving the pain of others.

In each of these federal cases, legitimate medical marijuana patients and providers have been forced to stand trial gagged by judges who wouldn't allow information about legitimate medical use to reach the jurors. Instead, these defendants have been presented as common drug criminals.

http://www.mpp.org/USA/

As I said, I'm not entirely sure of the truth of that, but I do know that many patients with a legitimate use for medical marijuana are having a difficult time obtaining and using it.

They don't ask, because they are more concerned with treating the patient.
Doctors are concerned with treating ALL patients, or at least according to the Hippocratic oath, they are. But they occasionally do ask patients if they smoke marijuana, and why should the terminally ill be any different?

Please vote in this poll and observe the results.

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...8&threadid=1451691


If I am in jail or a Asylum how am I suppose to hurt someone? :|
Listen, buddy, why are you in jail in the first place? Because you hurt somebody, right? Well, how did a prison sentence stop you from committing that crime? ... It didn't! That's my whole point, and we should abandon this argument because it has nothing to do with marijuana anyway.

I never saw those statistics for this "Billion Dollar War on Pot", why should I believe its a failing war?
So do yourself a favor and Google "war on drugs". Be sure to read articles from both sides, and to disdain the propoganda (from both sides).

In my personal opinion, the best arguement for legalization/decriminialization is you can't OD.
What about all the other reasons I listed?

Another good idea would be to fine parents/guardians who sons/daughters that caught with the substance underage.
I wouldn't be opposed to this idea - IF you limit the responsibility of the parents until the children are of majority - but quite a few parents would scream and shout, IMO.

What if I was found gulity of pre-medditating murder and then they lock me up? Did I commit the crime?...

I asked you, not google.

What reason? The war on pot isn't working? Thats a poor arguement, all that means to be is we should increase funding and put more effort into it.

I'd also like to fine parents who's childeren do poorley in school and get in trouble with the law. If they don't like it they can always give their kids to the state.

 

[brxndxn]

I'm totally for legalization of pot. I don't give a sh!t if some people think it's bad. Cigarettes are bad, alcohol is bad, guns are bad, etc.. but they're still legal because this is a free country.

Pot is a better painkiller than ANY prescription medications commonly available. And, pot has had more people testing than any other drug. The drug industry hates pot. You will not see them lobbying for more medical marijuana tests because there's no way they can charge more than the 'market rate'. New drugs, however, can cost $100/month.

Sure, you shouldn't smoke pot and drive.. But, I challenge anyone to try taking any of the 'decent' prescription painkillers and not fall asleep.. much less drive.

I smoked pot in high school and I smoked it a year ago. That day a year ago, my back and neck pain from my car accident were completely gone. Since then, I have been prescribed Darvocet, Flexeril, Skelaxin, Soma-350, Vioxx, and Bextra. None of them work anywhere near as well as pot. Yet, those drugs were between $30-80/month. Pot, if legal, would be much cheaper since it is a merely harvested plant. I would much rather smoke pot, a natural plant, than use prescription drugs, with loads of chemicals.

If you're biased against pot, do some reading about it. You don't always need to believe the propaganda that they provided to you in elementary school.