Power supply rebranding

[omarhevgi]

i looked at the NSpire 550 modell here and it is totally the same as Antec TRUE 550 so NSpire is probably buying from ChannelWell as well

 

[jonnyGURU]

Originally posted by: Slaimus
Yet more unraveling: Coolink does not make their own PSUs either. They are actually made by ATNG Power. As for the Rosewill (newegg/chiefvalue/abspc house brand), the "AP" ones are straight ATNG model numbers. The "RE" ones, someone in a hot deals thread opened one up and confirmed them to be Youngyear

Ummm.... I don't know how they came to that conclusion.

I found out about Aspire and MGE and X-Conect by looking up thier UL listings. Coolmax's don't have UL numbers, just logos.

None of the components in a Youngyear PSU are actually marked "Youngyear" (although an Ultra PSU tester clearly says "Youngyear" right on the PCB.)

I'm not sure how he would come to that conclusion by opening one up. Did he have a UL number to look up (which would not require opening one up)?

 

[jonnyGURU]

Ok. I'm stuck on two.....

A.C. Ryan and still spinning my wheels on PC Power and Cooling.

A.C. Ryan has a UL logo, but no number. The PCB layout isn't like any other I've seen and none of the components are labeled. I even went as far as pulling the PCB out of the housing to see if there's any markings on the underside. Nada.

PC Power and Cooling has been said to be assembled of FSP, Sirtech and even CWT components... but I can't find any consistancy in any of these claims. They too have a UL logo, but no number. But they do have PC Power and Cooling listings on the UL website. Only marking on the PCB is "Pico." Pico does make AC to AC power supplies. Didn't think they made AC to DC and certainly not anything for a PC. :Q Unless of course they're only AC to DC power supplies are made exclusively for PCP&C! Could be that Pico just makes the PCB, of course.

 

[Slaimus]

I did mention earlier that ERL39 transformer on a lot of AC Ryan power supplies is by LTE. It is probably profitable enough now to build a custom design rather than rebranding, so it will get harder to figure out exactly who makes what.

BTW nice reviews so far jonny.

 

[ribbon13]

When will people go to mouser.com and buy everything and make thier own PSUs? I'll give ya a schematic!

 

[jonnyGURU]

Originally posted by: Slaimus

BTW nice reviews so far jonny.

Thanks! I think I'm taking the weekend off, though.

 

[DJSfurry]

I live in hong kong and i recently bought a 2theMax H6 576sa which turns out to be EXACTLY the same as an OCZ Powerstream 470, minus the LED light at the back, and the adjustable rails. however one of the specially covered molexs is a PCI Express connector instead, so i was pleasantly suprised when i found that out . i was upset that there werent any OCZ parts here in HK and was gonna get a Modstream from a online dealer but then im really happy i managed to get this, as it has 33A on the 12V. didnt help with my overclocks though. pity but oh well

 

[jonnyGURU]

Wow! 2TheMax. I haven't heard that brand in a while. I don't think they're sold in the US anymore. I saw on their website where they had a couple units labeled "Tagan," so I'm going to take a stab at thinking that Topower may make all of their power supplies.

Back to PC Power and Cooling: Apparently, it's the "Silencer" line that's built by FSP/SPI. That's cool. I'm still wondering who makes the Turbo-Cool.

 

[jonnyGURU]

Oh... and someone listed Meridian XClio as FSP on the previous page. That's incorrect. It's a Channelwell power supply.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

I'm doing a search on the two worst power supplies I own, and am wondering a few things. Does anyone know much about L&C Technology? When doing a UL search for "E164554", the code on a Turbolink power supply, that's the result I got.

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Then for KME when searching for "E149998" I get links to a company called Key Mouse Electronics, which I've never heard of before either.

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[HJustin]

Any idea who makes AGI power supplies? For $40 I picked up a 24 pin unit rated at 15 and 18A on each 12V+ rail. Not sure if I want to risk my new Chaintech Nforce 4 Ultra board and 3200+ with this thing without knowing more about it. No overclocking and using a 6600GT for now. Will be bumping up to a 6800 Ultra in a few months.

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[WildHorse]

DJSfurry:

I live in hong kong

Do you get extremely low prices on components, compared to USA prices?

 

[jonnyGURU]

Originally posted by: HamburgerBoy
I'm doing a search on the two worst power supplies I own, and am wondering a few things. Does anyone know much about L&C Technology? When doing a UL search for "E164554", the code on a Turbolink power supply, that's the result I got.

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Then for KME when searching for "E149998" I get links to a company called Key Mouse Electronics, which I've never heard of before either.

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L&C is about as low end as you get. I'm not just being biased either. If you buy a case at a computer show or flea market for $15, it will have an L&C in it.

Key Mouse is only a tad better.

Believe it or not, even Deer/Allied and Codegen is better than L&C and Keymouse.

And an update on the A.C. Ryan power supply.... H O R R I B L E ! ! ! I don't know who makes it, but I don't care. It's crap. Look for my review on SLCentral when I'm done with it.

HJustin: Any UL numbers?

 

[HJustin]

Here are photos of the power supply. The UL logo is not present on the unit, however below the symbol that looks like a backwards R merged with a U is this: E130843.

Thanks for your help. I suspect I'm going to want to return this and purchase something more substantial even if I do not intend to overclock.

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[jonnyGURU]

The backwards R merged with a U is a UL logo! THAT'S the number you want.

That's made by Topower.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: jonnyGURU
L&C is about as low end as you get. I'm not just being biased either. If you buy a case at a computer show or flea market for $15, it will have an L&C in it.

Key Mouse is only a tad better.

Believe it or not, even Deer/Allied and Codegen is better than L&C and Keymouse.

Curious, I usually have read about L&C/Deer/Allied, listed that way, implying that they are all one and the same. Not true? I thought that they were all made by "Deer". Codegen is a step up though, not a lot, but maybe an itty-bitty bit. Certainly better than PowMax, although likely not better than RaidMax, whom apparently re-badge some Topower units now.

Originally posted by: jonnyGURU
And an update on the A.C. Ryan power supply.... H O R R I B L E ! ! ! I don't know who makes it, but I don't care. It's crap. Look for my review on SLCentral when I'm done with it.

What kind of PSU name is "A.C.Ryan" anyways? Makes your system go off a'cryin, after the PSU blows up? Huh?

 

[jonnyGURU]

Well... I've seen where some Allieds and Deers are the same and some Deers and L&C's are the same. And if you go to Deer's website, it'll say that the power supply with AMD approval can be found under the brands "Allied, Deer, L&C, etc.) But you can take two 350W power supplies, one labeled Deer and one labeled L&C, and they'll be completely different. The specs, the construction. Always I have found the one with the L&C label to be the more inferior of the pair (like that's saying much.)

L&C is a manufacturer. As is Allied, I believe. Deer is not. It's just the power supply division of Foxconn. I think what happens is Deer sources from either, but I've only seen the Deers that are also Allieds. I don't believe I've actually seen Deers that are made by L&C.

 

[jonnyGURU]

Oh, and A.C. Ryan is a case mod company: http://www.acryan.com. Looks like they have some good stuff, but I wish they never had gotten into selling power supplies. :roll:

 

[Slaimus]

I took the dive and bought a a HEC. The package weighted only 3.7lb according to UPS, so it is probably way overrated. Hope it does not end up like the 580W Powmax though.

Update, copied from HardOCP, and crossposted at the FW thread too:

This is a very generic power supply by its looks. The heatsinks are very small. The cables are short, and has only the bare minimums for ATX12V 2.0 (2 3-molex dongles, 1 SATA, no PCI-E). The fans are sleeve bearing, but they are properly positioned(perpendicular), so they should not die an early death. The voltages are good, but then again my system is hardly demanding(Winchester@2.2, 6800NU, 3HDs). I am seeing lows of 11.84 during CPUburn and 11.90 during RTHDRIBL on the 12V line, with 11.96-12.02 idle as reported by MSI CoreCenter.
The only problem looks to be the fan controller. My Panaflo L1A 80mm mounted right below feels like it is moving 2-3X the air the PSU fan is. With such small heatsinks, I was expecting some high airflow. The fans are quiet, but are not blowing enough air.

So in conclusion, this is probably the best power supply you can get for $22, and will be adequet a medium-range setup, but make sure you have good airflow in the case already since it moves almost no air.