Power Supply Suggestion - Please

boggsie

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Any votes for best Power Supply - here are my specs:

Mainboard
Iwill MPX2
2x Athlon Mobile (Barton Core) @ 2.5Ghz 1.8v
4x 512mb ECC Reg

AGP/PCI Cards
ATI AIW 9700 Pro AGP
LSI 64-bit SCSI
SoundBlaster Live!
SIIG NIC/USB2/Firewire Card
ATI 9200 PCI

External Drive Bays
System Max Front Panel readout
Live! Drive
Plextor SCSI CD-ROM
Plextor SCSI CD-RW
Pioneer SCSI DVD-ROM
Iomega SCSI Zip-100
Seagate SCSI Tape Backup

Internal Drives
1x Fujitsu MAS 18gb 15k SCSI
2x Seagate LW 18 GB 15k SCSI
2x Seagate 146GB 10k SCSI

Cooling
4x 120mm case fans @ 5v for push/pull on BlackIce Extreme radiator
4x 80mm case fans @12v for cooling on drives and exhaust
Koolance dual pump resivoir & Koolance controler board and readout
 

sirspotti

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Most people will probalby tell you PC Power & Cooling but unless you're made of money don't listen to them. You could probably find something like this Enermax for a decent price after the rebate if you need that kind of power. Btw, what exactly is your real rig going to look like? It seems that most of the parts you listed are in your FS/FT thread.
 

shinotenshi

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Enermax are very overrated. they rate thier power supplies at temps that a normal power supply will never be it. for example the enermax 550 is 550 at 25c. lol thats room temp, at 40c its 366w. considering your specs, and if you ever want to add more drives I'd go with a PC&C, and considering the components you have in your computer, I see you believe in the addage that you get what you pay for, not mention if you are going to invest as much money as you have in your computer its seems kind of silly to short change the most important part of it now. So i'd vote for the A pc&c 510 .if you l are ow on cash atm then the ocz, its not even close to being as good as a pc&c but its probally the next best thing. IF your willing to wait, in febuary after alienware has had its full, there will be 850w pc&c availible, which probally will be around 900+ watts of continous power at 40c.
 

boggsie

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Originally posted by: sirspotti
Most people will probalby tell you PC Power & Cooling but unless you're made of money don't listen to them. You could probably find something like this Enermax for a decent price after the rebate if you need that kind of power. Btw, what exactly is your real rig going to look like? It seems that most of the parts you listed are in your FS/FT thread.

Keen eye re:FS/FT thread. However, if you look really close, you'll see that most of the items are marked SOLD. This is because I had two similar rigs and I have consolidated to one machine. On this machine, if I need to evaluate software, I can use Microsoft Virtual PC/Server to do my compatability testing.

Anyway, I was/am using an enermax 651-P and when I added a couple of items from the old rig, the computer started to exhibit strange behavior. I checked the BIOS and both my +12v and +5v rails are below at (+11.7 & +4.73) so I am suspicious that the enermax may not be up to snuff.
 

stevty2889

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PC power and cooling does make the best PSU's, but there is no reason to be dissing on Enermax, enermax also makes solid quality PSU's, I am using a 350w enermax for my system, and have never had any problems. Antec and Fortron are also good.
 

boggsie

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Originally posted by: shinotenshi
I'd go with a PC&C, and considering the components you have in your computer, I see you believe in the addage that you get what you pay for, not mention if you are going to invest as much money as you have in your computer its seems kind of silly to short change the most important part of it now.

I appreciate you noticing and mentioning the quality of my components. The enermax 651-P that I have now (which I am suspicious of, given the undervolt readings in BIOS) was not a cheap PSU when I bought it over two years ago.


Originally posted by: shinotenshi
Enermax are very overrated ... for example the enermax 550 is 550 at 25c. lol thats room temp, at 40c its 366w

Zoinks !!! I had no idea. This is very disturbing. All of the components I have stuffed into this box, the 15k RPM SCSI drives hover at ~40c and the northbridge is consistently at ~33c. I need a power supply that gives me the voltage I need at reasonable case temps, which I think I have.

Thanks for your reply!

 

boggsie

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So, do you think the Enermax 651-p I have now sould be sufficient?

How about the +5v rail being at +4.65v - is that something to be concerned about?
 

maluckey

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Yesterday I saw an FSP-550 on Excaliber PC for 40 dollars (refurb). It has two separate +12v rails for maximum stablity under load. FSP UNDERRATES it's PSU's, and all are pre-tested at 50 C. to put out the rated power before shipping out. It's likely the unit was returned because it's a server PSU and some people won't buy or make the adapter necessary to use it. In the case of dual CPU, the adapter may not be necessary on most modern boards.

As far as the low +5.0v signal, I would not accept it on my setup. I have two FSP 460's and a 530 unit, and not one of them EVER dips that low. My 460 unit in my NF7-S rig at over 220 x 11 and tight timings, with four 7200 RPM HDD, two DVD r/w, and a 6600GT vid card (OC'ed as well), never dips below 3.28v, 4.97v and 11.98v at any time.

Don't settle for poor power when FSP, OCZ, and PC power and Cooling are all available at good prices. You can now get a PC Power and Cooling for about 100 dollars for a solid unit. FSP is still the best bang for the buck (under any of their twenty different names), especially with the FSP-550, 460, and 530 units. You can't go wrong on those three.
 

Googer

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Originally posted by: shinotenshi
Enermax are very overrated. they rate thier power supplies at temps that a normal power supply will never be it. for example the enermax 550 is 550 at 25c. lol thats room temp, at 40c its 366w. considering your specs, and if you ever want to add more drives I'd go with a PC&C, and considering the components you have in your computer, I see you believe in the addage that you get what you pay for, not mention if you are going to invest as much money as you have in your computer its seems kind of silly to short change the most important part of it now. So i'd vote for the A pc&c 510 .if you l are ow on cash atm then the ocz, its not even close to being as good as a pc&c but its probally the next best thing. IF your willing to wait, in febuary after alienware has had its full, there will be 850w pc&c availible, which probally will be around 900+ watts of continous power at 40c.



AGREED. You can get a NICE Pc Power and Cooling 470 watt Silencer Line PSU for $99. Enermax Power Supples use cheap parts, have high voltage fluctuation (5%), and cost more than PC Power and Cooling's top of the Line Turbo Cool 510.
PC Power and Cooling- Silencer 470 Click here for pricing and options
IF you see a PSU that you like but is missing a certain connection, they will gladly add it to the power supply. Custom options are avaleble.



Click Here to see a compairison of PC power and Cooling vs ANTEC (CRAP) Power supply.

Click here for a list of models and options of Top of the line Turbo Cool models $229


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maluckey

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Wow!

The chrome has blinded me to it's poor construction and wildly fluctuating rails Batman!!! There is only one hope! We can only hope that a solid power supply will wiegh me down so that I can't spend more money on chrome than on performance!!
 

Chaotic42

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PC Power and Cooling or Seasonic.

I went from an Antec 550W to a PCP&C Deluxe 510W. My computer's ATX power connector has caught fire 100% less with the PCP&C.

 

Waylay00

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OCZ Modstream 450w. Those things come in a 520w version also. Modular UV Cables, 120mmx1, mmmmmmmm.......But of course if you are a real power user, the OCZ Powerstream is for you.
 

Chaotic42

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Originally posted by: jewno
I have that PSU and it runs like charm. Obviously, I run a lot of programs on my computer so I need a better PSU to handle them all.

What?
 

cmp1223

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Originally posted by: shinotenshi
Enermax are very overrated. they rate thier power supplies at temps that a normal power supply will never be it. for example the enermax 550 is 550 at 25c. lol thats room temp, at 40c its 366w.

Can you expand on this? People here have always recommend Enermax and Antec as great PSUs for power hungry systems, just a step below PC P&C. Are there any sites that have a wattage vs. temperature chart? Is dishearting and a little hard to believe that a 15 degree rise in temperature can cause an almost 200 watt drop. And, the fact that Enermax would mis-label their products so badly (intentional or not).

By the same note, shouldn't even poorer PSU (like ones that come in cheap cases) blow up or malfunction left and right?

 

boggsie

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Originally posted by: maluckey
Wow!

The chrome has blinded me to it's poor construction and wildly fluctuating rails Batman!!! There is only one hope! We can only hope that a solid power supply will wiegh me down so that I can't spend more money on chrome than on performance!!

:Q

 

sirspotti

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Originally posted by: Googer
Originally posted by: shinotenshi
Enermax are very overrated. they rate thier power supplies at temps that a normal power supply will never be it. for example the enermax 550 is 550 at 25c. lol thats room temp, at 40c its 366w. considering your specs, and if you ever want to add more drives I'd go with a PC&C, and considering the components you have in your computer, I see you believe in the addage that you get what you pay for, not mention if you are going to invest as much money as you have in your computer its seems kind of silly to short change the most important part of it now. So i'd vote for the A pc&c 510 .if you l are ow on cash atm then the ocz, its not even close to being as good as a pc&c but its probally the next best thing. IF your willing to wait, in febuary after alienware has had its full, there will be 850w pc&c availible, which probally will be around 900+ watts of continous power at 40c.



AGREED. You can get a NICE Pc Power and Cooling 470 watt Silencer Line PSU for $99 enermax Power Supples use cheap parts, have high voltage fluctuation (5%), and cost more than PC Power and Cooling's top of the Line Turbo Cool 510.
PC Power and Cooling- Silencer 470 Click here for pricing and options
IF you see a PSU that you like but is missing a certain connection, they will gladly add it to the power supply. Custom options are avaleble.



Click Here to see a compairison of PC power and Cooling vs ANTEC (CRAP) Power supply.

Click here for a list of models and options of Top of the line Turbo Cool models $229



.



i thought that comparison 550 was actually an enermax.. and how do we even know what model it is? that could be some pos from 15 years ago that they are comparing the turbocool to. can't believe there are so many pcp&c and ocz psu fanboys now. i feel like i am taking crazy pills!
 

sirspotti

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Originally posted by: cmp1223
Originally posted by: shinotenshi
Enermax are very overrated. they rate thier power supplies at temps that a normal power supply will never be it. for example the enermax 550 is 550 at 25c. lol thats room temp, at 40c its 366w.

Can you expand on this? People here have always recommend Enermax and Antec as great PSUs for power hungry systems, just a step below PC P&C. Are there any sites that have a wattage vs. temperature chart? Is dishearting and a little hard to believe that a 15 degree rise in temperature can cause an almost 200 watt drop. And, the fact that Enermax would mis-label their products so badly (intentional or not).

By the same note, shouldn't even poorer PSU (like ones that come in cheap cases) blow up or malfunction left and right?



Silent PC Review has some good power supply reviews. I think that when you see people saying that Enermax is so highly overrated and whatnot it's just bs that people spread on internet forums. Enermax and Antec make fine PSUs. By some of these people's reasoning, any PSU under $100 will set your rig on fire.
 

Rand

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I wouldn't exactly put much faith in a comparison of PSU units done by PC P&C themselves, as obviously they have a vested interest in ensuring their own units show the best. I'm unsure how you derive that the compared PSU is Antec as the Specs don't correspond to any Antec units I can find.
It would seem to make more sense for PC P&C to compare to the worst generic unit they can find though as naturally they want their own units to look the best in any comparison.
I'm sure if you ask TopPower they can give you documents showing their the best too...

In respect to what temperature the units are rated at, PC P&C generally rated their units at 40C, though they "guarantee them up to 50C operating temp".
Some of their very low end units are rated at 20C.

Enermax rates their units at 25C, except for the NoiseTaker line which is rated at 40C. (unsure what the CoolerGiant series is rated at)
Antec rates their units at 40C.
Fortron rates their units between 25-45C depending on the PSU line in question, they've gone a huge range of PSU's.

Personally, I tend to like Seasonic PSU the most.
I rate Antec up on par with PC P&C in terms of quality, but I generally tend to pass on Antec as their RMA rates tend to be a touch higher then I might like.
PC P&C I'm very high on, but their cost tends to be more then I'd care for and even their so-called 'quiet units' have never struck me as being particularly quiet at all. As their dervived from Zippy/EMac inards they also tend to be a bit later then most manufacturers in corresponding to the latest ATX PSU specs.

I've mixed feelings on Enermax. Their regular units are quite good relative to generic units, but frankly aren't much better then the likes of Thermeltake IMHO. Merely 'Good', but not especially great.
I've quite fond of their NoiseTaker units though, indeed I'm uning one in my current system.

I use Fortron more often then any other manufacturer in the majority of systems I build though, I've a very high opinion of their units.
Most of Fortron's units tend to be rather low of extraneous features though.

Generally I consider the seeming enthusiast obsession with high wattage PSU vastly over-rated though. Even most quality 300-350W units can easily handle loads that you'll find many people on here screaming for 430W+ units for.


Going back to the original question in the thread.
Personally I feel an Antec TruePower is probably the best suited to your quoted specs.
The seperate +3.3/+5V rails will really benefit you tremendously with so many SCSI drives, I wouldn't be too concerned with the +12V rail as your really not drawing an exorbitant amount there relative to many enthusiast systems.
I'd look towards something around a TruePower 430-480 personally, presuming you don't mid the noise of course as the TruePower's aren't especially quiet.

 

boggsie

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The seperate +3.3/+5V rails will really benefit you tremendously with so many SCSI drives

Ah, very nice point - thank you so much for stating this in plain language that I could understand.
 

tomcas1

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Grab a copy of Jan 2005 MaximumPC. They just did a comprehensive test on power supplies. Before you guys tell me about advertising affecting the results, let me point out that the "Ultra X- Connect" that took out a full page advertisement on the back cover, got the second to lowest score of several manufacturers tested.
The Antec Neopower 480 got a 10/ Kick Ass award and the PC Power Turbo Cool 510 Deluxe go a 9 (also Kick Ass award. The Cooler Master RS-450 got a 8, OCZ Power Stream 520ADJ a 7, Devanni DP-568FL a 6, Ultra X- Connect a 4, and the Vantec Stealth VAN-520A came in dead last with a 3.
 

shinotenshi

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its not an antec but an enermax in the comparision. And are you actually being serious when you compare antec to PC&C in absolute quality. if so please put down the crack pipe (purely for humorous effect). if you going for a price/quality issue or relative quality comparision then you can make the case.

You get what you pay for, and in the case of PC&C its better quailty capicitors and resistors and heatsinks. It's loud becuase it has to be. I will never understand compliants about a psu being loud, it's like somone complaining becuase babies cry too much. really, the absurdity of the comment, makes me believe that the sensibilitlies of the hilton sisters is far more widespread that i previously thought.
 
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