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Capt Caveman

Lifer
Jan 30, 2005
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As I understand it, lotteries and gaming are privately run in the US. So the tax is how the government makes money off them. In Canada, winnings aren't taxed because lotteries and gaming are run by government agencies. They already get 100% of the profits. About the only thing we aren't taxed on come to think of it. Gaming has become a huge cash cow. Too bad your average folk like me rarely see the benefits.

Incorrect.
 

Train

Lifer
Jun 22, 2000
13,863
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www.bing.com
As I understand it, lotteries and gaming are privately run in the US. So the tax is how the government makes money off them. In Canada, winnings aren't taxed because lotteries and gaming are run by government agencies. They already get 100% of the profits. About the only thing we aren't taxed on come to think of it. Gaming has become a huge cash cow. Too bad your average folk like me rarely see the benefits.

Some are privately run, but are always state(or multi state) sponsored. Even if they didn't tax the winnings, each ticket pays a cut to the participating states, and IIRC, it's already more than 50%
 

sdifox

No Lifer
Sep 30, 2005
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As I understand it, lotteries and gaming are privately run in the US. So the tax is how the government makes money off them. In Canada, winnings aren't taxed because lotteries and gaming are run by government agencies. They already get 100% of the profits. About the only thing we aren't taxed on come to think of it. Gaming has become a huge cash cow. Too bad your average folk like me rarely see the benefits.

No, they are government monopoly. Ours show post tax amount, theirs show pre tax amount.
 

IronWing

No Lifer
Jul 20, 2001
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Some are privately run, but are always state(or multi state) sponsored. Even if they didn't tax the winnings, each ticket pays a cut to the participating states, and IIRC, it's already more than 50%
Yep. Odds are much better at most casinos than they are with the state run lotteries. And there ain't naked chicks dancing over your head at the convenience store.
 

Svnla

Lifer
Nov 10, 2003
17,999
1,396
126
Folks, don't forget that after you pay 35% for the Fed, you will have to pay your local and state income tax (maximum rate) on top of that 35%. Unless you live in 5 states with no income taxes and the two states that don't tax lottery winnings (CA and PA).

Vivi - I sent you my $5 via Amazon. Good luck dude.
 

Engineer

Elite Member
Oct 9, 1999
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Red Squirrel, just buy two tickets with the same number, double your winnings, give the govt half and you still walk away with a cool half billion. ()

LOL. Doesn't work that way!

(I'm assuming that was sarcasm Mr. Ironwing! )
 

iRONic

Diamond Member
Jan 28, 2006
7,125
2,428
136
PM's work
We doan need no steenking PMs!

I have followed the double secret instructions to the letter and executed the transfer. I plan on building a new home if we win and shall name it 'Vivi The Mansion'.
 

diesbudt

Diamond Member
Jun 1, 2012
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Folks, don't forget that after you pay 35% for the Fed, you will have to pay your local and state income tax (maximum rate) on top of that 35%. Unless you live in 5 states with no income taxes and the two states that don't tax lottery winnings (CA and PA).

Vivi - I sent you my $5 via Amazon. Good luck dude.

Good point. Many people forget about this. Which is why an accountant and/or lawyer is always good upon lottery winning sto make sure all funds payable to the government has been set aside.

Advantage to lump sum? You have to do this once.

With the 25-30 year plan, you have to pay this extra price every year for 25-30 years. (However you get more in the long run)
 

Svnla

Lifer
Nov 10, 2003
17,999
1,396
126
Good point. Many people forget about this. Which is why an accountant and/or lawyer is always good upon lottery winning sto make sure all funds payable to the government has been set aside.

Advantage to lump sum? You have to do this once.

With the 25-30 year plan, you have to pay this extra price every year for 25-30 years. (However you get more in the long run)

Yes, you would get more but don't forget the main killer in the 25-30 years period, INFLATION.
 

nehalem256

Lifer
Apr 13, 2012
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Folks, don't forget that after you pay 35% for the Fed, you will have to pay your local and state income tax (maximum rate) on top of that 35%. Unless you live in 5 states with no income taxes and the two states that don't tax lottery winnings (CA and PA).

So if you won could you move to PA on say Dec 31st and then claim the Prize on Jan 1 as a PA resident?
 

diesbudt

Diamond Member
Jun 1, 2012
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Yes, you would get more but don't forget the main killer in the 25-30 years period, INFLATION.

Yes, and the taxes will go up. (35% ---> 39.5% in 2013 and potentially 42% by 2016)

Inflation in just the last 5 years is 10% also.

Really, I personally could see the lump sum being the best option, and investing some of it.
 

Svnla

Lifer
Nov 10, 2003
17,999
1,396
126
So if you won could you move to PA on say Dec 31st and then claim the Prize on Jan 1 as a PA resident?

I don't think you can do that. You pay the applicable state tax at where you lived when you purchased the ticket.
 

DrPizza

Administrator Elite Member Goat Whisperer
Mar 5, 2001
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I don't think you can do that. You pay the applicable state tax at where you lived when you purchased the ticket.

I had the same question. Now, suppose instead of lump sum, you took the 20 year payout - in that case, if you moved after the first year, would you still have to pay state tax from your original state? Just trying to plan ahead for when I win. I might be able to get a bigger return by taking it over 20 years, keeping in mind that I'm not paying 5% or whatever it is to NY (which means that right off the bat, I'm earning more than 5% on the money that I would have otherwise had.)
 

Mandres

Senior member
Jun 8, 2011
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With the 25-30 year plan, you have to pay this extra price every year for 25-30 years. (However you get more in the long run)

Not necessarily. It depends on what interest rate they use when calculating the annuity. I've always been told that one can easily earn a better return than the government offers, so it's always better to take the lump sum and invest it yourself.

Obviously this is more risky than just taking the monthly ck from the govt.

This biggest problem with winning the lottery is the notoriety. Everyone you've ever known automatically think of you first when a tragedy/hardship or an investment "opportunity" comes up. The #1 goal if you win is to keep it a secret. Your lawyer can advise you on the specific ways to do that (anonymous trusts, etc.)
 

Engineer

Elite Member
Oct 9, 1999
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PM's sent. Super, duper, secret sauce sent. The plan is coming together.

Don't forget...as the OP states...It's all mine!!! :biggrin:
 

Svnla

Lifer
Nov 10, 2003
17,999
1,396
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I had the same question. Now, suppose instead of lump sum, you took the 20 year payout - in that case, if you moved after the first year, would you still have to pay state tax from your original state? Just trying to plan ahead for when I win. I might be able to get a bigger return by taking it over 20 years, keeping in mind that I'm not paying 5% or whatever it is to NY (which means that right off the bat, I'm earning more than 5% on the money that I would have otherwise had.)

This is what I found earlier, when the jackpot was ONLY $425M (the thread was locked).

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34285684&postcount=46

What is unclear, according to Cobern, is whether a New York City resident who wins a big jackpot can move from the city, take annuity payments, and avoid the city tax on them—the city might assert that it still has a right to its cut, since the winner was a resident at the time of his big score.

This is why you would have to get lawyers and accountants. I am sure the state and city/town would fight tooth and nail to get their "fair" share.
 
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ViviTheMage

Lifer
Dec 12, 2002
36,190
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madgenius.com
We doan need no steenking PMs!

I have followed the double secret instructions to the letter and executed the transfer. I plan on building a new home if we win and shall name it 'Vivi The Mansion'.

We shall build a city with huge walls, for the impending Apocalypse(s) that is coming.
 

anxi80

Lifer
Jul 7, 2002
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@AP: #Powerball officials say the jackpot for Wednesday night's drawing is now $550 million
 

ManBearPig

Diamond Member
Sep 5, 2000
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Wait--are we doing a pool again? How much? Whens it due by? Powerball tickets are $2 right now right?
 

AmdEmAll

Diamond Member
Aug 27, 2000
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So I figure well end up getting a million or 5 each after it is divided up. How is everyone going to spend their winnings?

I'll be moving to somewhere on the water.. somewhere in the Caribbean maybe. Doesn't have to be a big house. Want a nice boat that can handle deep sea fishing. Not asking for much.
 
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