PowerBook 12.1

Celeron

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So I've got a sizeable tax return coming this year, around $1800, and I'm thinking of maybe picking up a PowerBook 12.1. I primarily want it to take notes on for my classes and be able to do work during idle time between classes.

Unfortunately there's rumors that Apple is going to update the Powerbook line in the coming months and now I'm stuck in the "should I wait" or "should i buy now" mode. Ugh!

I know there's some Mac heads out there. What do you guys think? I can get the base 12.1, with the combo-drive for $1400 from my school computer store. I would add the airport extreme card and another 512megs of ram bring it up to 768megs.

Total cost of the system would be around $1710 with tax any everything. Unfortunately I haven't found a way to avoid the tax, doh!

What do you guys think, do I wait, or do I buy now and enjoy it sooner rather than later?
 

Abos

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Just curious, but why Apple? I know a few guys using them here at my college, and they end up having to do most of their work in the labs due to compatibility problems.
 

Nebor

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Originally posted by: Abos
Just curious, but why Apple? I know a few guys using them here at my college, and they end up having to do most of their work in the labs due to compatibility problems.

Get a Dell.
 

Celeron

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What type of compatibility problems are you referring to? My department offers all their software for both the PC and Mac, so there isn't any troubles there. In fact, many of the professors are using Powerbooks. My program has a large group of web programmers so there's quite a few Powerbooks around campus.

Apple is the only manufacturer that makes a superportable laptop that has a decent feature set. I was looking at the Dell 600m, but the build quality isn't the same and its quite a bit larger.

I had an IBM laptop while I was on co-op assignment with Cisco Systems and I wasn't impressed with it much. Sure, it was built like a tank, but IBM's support and software update programs are TERRIBLE. It was one of the older units, a T23.

Honestly, I would like to learn OSX, and buying a Powerbook is a good opportunity to do that. Also, Mac laptops hold their value a lot better than PC laptops.
 

Abos

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I'm not actually sure what compatibility problems they had, I just know they had them. If you don't foresee any such problems, then by all means, go for the Powerbook (they are actually one ofthe few Apples I like).

As far as when to buy, I would think that depends on what are you currently using? Do you even have a computer now? I don't follow Apple too much, but if something new and improved is in the works, you may want to hold out for it. Then again, if really NEED a new comp, I'd say go for it.
 

Celeron

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Right now I don't have any laptop at all. All I have is my PC desktop (P4 3.2 w/ 9700 Pro etc.. etc..). I'm tempting to wait, but it may be May or June before any updates actually hit the street.
 

Abos

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Whoa... that's a pretty decent computer... faster than mine, anyway.

It seems like you're just itching for a new toy. If it were me, I'd put that money towards a new car. I know the feeling tho. I'd like to have a laptop, too. Just to mess around with. I've got the money for it, but something in the back of my minds keeps saying "don't do it." I dunno. Maybe I'm just a cheap bastard.
 
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looks like G5 powerbook wont be out for a while. the G4 1.5 ghz should hit the market sometime Late 2nd quarter/early 3rd quarter
 

GL

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It is looking like there will be one final generation of Powerbook G4s before we see a Powerbook G5. That being said, I really do sense that a Powerbook G5 will at the very least be announced sometime in 2004. There are some pros and cons to purchasing a Powerbook G4 at this point in its life cycle.

First off, most of the quirks in the Powerbook G4s should be worked out by now. By quirks, I'm referring to actual faults in design and construction. I haven't heard of any faults plaguing the current Powerbook G4 12" model. Let us assume a Powerbook G5 does ship some time this year, or even a slightly upgraded Powerbook G4, it may have defects. So you might wait, be one of the first to purchase a unit only to find that you're stuck effectively beta-testing the product. So it is definitely an advantage to know the track record of the current models. The 15" has been problematic but the 12" seems to be very reliable.

The major con in this scenario would be if you bought a Powerbook G4 today and a Powerbook G5 shipped in the coming months. Simply put, the performance delta between the Powerbook G5 and Powerbook G4 would definitely be noticeable and you would likely get more bang for your buck from the Powerbook G5. Since Apple usually does a total redesign of a laptop when introducing a new generation of CPUs, it might also bring with it a better screen, be more rugged, be thinner, etc. You might miss out on all of this. Also, there is software out right now that I would only contemplate running on a G5 machine for satisfactory performance - Garageband being the most prominent example. It looks like Apple is aggressively moving in the direction of using up all the power afforded to them by the high-bandwidth G5 architecture, in their software. So for longevity's sake, a Powerbook G5 is more future-proof by a greater margin.

So really, I think you have two choices. If the Powerbook G4 suits your needs right now, I say go for it. But if you're looking to start fiddling around with more CPU intensive tasks, I would really wait for a Powerbook G5. I wouldn't bother holding out for an upgraded Powerbook G4. The improvement would only be incremental, whereas if you wait for a Powerbook G5 the improvement will be substantial.

Now, I would suggest another option. Have you considered an iBook G4 12"? It shares much in common with the Powerbook. And it is much cheaper. The Powerbook has a slightly better GPU, has DVI output, audio input, and the option of a Superdrive (DVD-RW). Those are really the only features that set it apart from the iBook if you ignore CPU specs. The Powerbook 12" actually doesn't have some of the features the other Powerbooks have such as Firewire 800 and Gigabit Ethernet. So it's not a "full" Powerbook and is more of a Powerbook/iBook hybrid. As far as resale value goes, I do not think the iBook will be getting a G5 anytime soon. So you might be able to turn around and sell the iBook G4 next year and get more out of the sale than if you were to purchase a Powerbook G4 and try to sell it when Powerbook G5s are on the market. Then you could put this money towards a Powerbook G5
 

Lyfer

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Alot of the students at my University (CSUF) use 12" Ibooks or G4 PB's. Most of them aren't even taking notes most of the time but just surfing the web.


 

Celeron

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GL, thanks for the suggestions. I looked at the iBook today in Compusa and I wasn't impressed with the keyboard or the build quality. It felt very very cheap compared the the 12'' Powerbook. I also had the same concern you mentioned about the new model. It seems Apple's first revisions of a new product often have several problems. I remember reading severe such cases with the last of the PowerMac offerings.

I wouldn't be doing too many cpu intensive tasks, but I do want a laptop that is responsive. I compared the Powerbook and the iBook last time I was in an Apple retail store and the iBook felt quick a big slower than the Powerbook. It was sluggish opening apps and such. It seems they both had comparable specs, but the Powerbook was definately quicker.
 

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Originally posted by: Lyfer
Alot of the students at my University (CSUF) use 12" Ibooks or G4 PB's. Most of them aren't even taking notes most of the time but just surfing the web.

that's what i want. something i can use to surf the wireless on my campus and get into the library to knock out papers without waiting in those stupid lines in the computer labs.
 

GL

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Celeron,

Did you use the iBook G3 or iBook G4? Even though the look has been retained, I have heard the iBook G4 has a nicer keyboard that is closer to the feel of the Powerbook. I haven't tried it myself. But if you were using the iBook G3, it definitely has a flimsier feel to the keyboard.
 

Celeron

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I used the iBook G4 in Compusa. It was the 1ghz G4 model. It it definately much cheaper than the Powerbook when it comes to construction quality.
 

batmanuel

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Originally posted by: Abos
Fvck Dell, IBM is where it's at.

IBMs are kick-butt when it comes to hardware (love the new feature that parks the HD if the laptop is dropped), but my big problem is that their laptops are still quite fugly. Some titanium would be nice, or some silver plastic at the very least. Also, that red, green and blue IBM logo just has to go. Every time I see it, I have a serious 80's flashback. IBM, it's time to hire some product designers and move the Thinkpad design into the current century.
 

Abos

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Originally posted by: batmanuel
Originally posted by: Abos
Fvck Dell, IBM is where it's at.

IBMs are kick-butt when it comes to hardware (love the new feature that parks the HD if the laptop is dropped), but my big problem is that their laptops are still quite fugly. Some titanium would be nice, or some silver plastic at the very least. Also, that red, green and blue IBM logo just has to go. Every time I see it, I have a serious 80's flashback. IBM, it's time to hire some product designers and move the Thinkpad design into the current century.


It's function over form for me... besides, looks are subjective. I'd rather not show-off my purple Dell. The Latitudes are nice though. Only thing bad about IBM is that they are business machines first and foremost, so you won't be seeing the new Radeon 9700 in one anytime soon.
 

jdogg707

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I recently wenr to an Apple Store an thought the iBook construction quality was better than most PC laptops out there, maybe not as sturdy as the AL Powerbooks due to their metal casings, but I would buy it before I bought a Dell. IBM laptops are nice, very sturdy and reliable, but they are kind fo like Apple in the regard that they are very proud of their products, meaning you pay out the ass for them opposed to other companies, just for the name and stated reliability. I would highly reccomed the iBook G4 1GHZ or 1GHZ 12.1" Powerbook in your case, you won't regret switching.
 

oogabooga

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if you can afford it the 12.1 is amazing.
www.averatec.com is the alternative i went with. 12.1 in laptops, around 1000 dollars, 1600+ AMD XP-M core. It is a bit underpowered and doesn't perform well in 'gaming' situations, but it's not what i need it for. Built in wireless, and it just handles my notetaking and aim/ie explorer/office and i love it for it. If all you want to do is take notes, surf, and the occasional dvd movie, this laptop ended up being my top choice.
 

n0cmonkey

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The iBook is a lot better than you think, construction wise. Mine has been used and abused. Still runs fine.

Anyways, if there is a big Mac convention or something coming up (I haven't kept track) then you might want to wait. If not, I'd say buy now.
 
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Originally posted by: jdogg707
I recently wenr to an Apple Store an thought the iBook construction quality was better than most PC laptops out there, maybe not as sturdy as the AL Powerbooks due to their metal casings, but I would buy it before I bought a Dell. IBM laptops are nice, very sturdy and reliable, but they are kind fo like Apple in the regard that they are very proud of their products, meaning you pay out the ass for them opposed to other companies, just for the name and stated reliability. I would highly reccomed the iBook G4 1GHZ or 1GHZ 12.1" Powerbook in your case, you won't regret switching.

i have used both and i thought the powerbook was built much better

on another note, i really think that the construction quality on dells latitutde series. yes, maybe its not on par with the powerbook or IBM, but considering the price, i think the quality per dollar is better than both
 
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