Powerbook 15" @ 1.5GHz

[halfadder]

Cool, hopejr! Have you played any of the Ambrosia or Pangeasoft games? I love Enigmo!
Versiontracker.com is also a fun site for finding random new apps.
Lately I've been playing with Konfabulator widgets! http://www.widgetgallery.com/

 

[Connoisseur]

Err, throwing my two cents in as far as G5's go. I don't see those processors making it into laptops anytime soon unless they make one with a very low clock speed. I was at an IBM presentation and they showed us the heatsink for a modern G5. It is literally larger than a PC power supply. It uses one intake and one output high speed fan, and the IBM reps were saying that they were switching to watercooling because these chips just couldn't get cooled adequately by air cooling. Sooo the G4 MIGHT be the only way to go as far as laptop Macs. Heh really puts the P4 dilemma into perspective. Athlon64 all the way

 

[hopejr]

Connoiseur: I think they've worked out a solution to that problem, because the iMac's now have G5's in them, and they're only 2 inches thick!

halfadder: I haven't really played any games other than America's Army, Tony Hawks 4, and Age of Mythology. Haven't really had the time Have you had much experience with Konfabulator? Apple is looking for ppl that can program widgets for the dashboard atm.

 

[ProCoolingKevin]

Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy
Care to back this statement up?

Give it a rest...I'm a diehard mac user and I still agree. Until the G5, Macs couldn't match PC performance...

 

[imported_Lucifer]

Originally posted by: ProCoolingKevin

Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy
Care to back this statement up?

Give it a rest...I'm a diehard mac user and I still agree. Until the G5, Macs couldn't match PC performance...

Then you back his statement up. If you cant back up what you said, dont post at all. Period. So take your business else where.

 

[randumb]

Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy

Originally posted by: ProCoolingKevin

Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy
Care to back this statement up?

Give it a rest...I'm a diehard mac user and I still agree. Until the G5, Macs couldn't match PC performance...

Then you back his statement up. If you cant back up what you said, dont post at all. Period. So take your business else where.

If you're really interested, google up some PC vs. Mac comparisons. For example, http://www.digitalvideoediting...atures/cw_macvspc2.htm. I'm not a mac hater (i think the ibooks/powerbooks are pretty tight), but the G4 macs didn't cut it performance wise.

 

[imported_Lucifer]

Originally posted by: randumb

Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy

Originally posted by: ProCoolingKevin

Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy
Care to back this statement up?

Give it a rest...I'm a diehard mac user and I still agree. Until the G5, Macs couldn't match PC performance...

Then you back his statement up. If you cant back up what you said, dont post at all. Period. So take your business else where.

If you're really interested, google up some PC vs. Mac comparisons. For example, http://www.digitalvideoediting...atures/cw_macvspc2.htm. I'm not a mac hater (i think the ibooks/powerbooks are pretty tight), but the G4 macs didn't cut it performance wise.

Do you believe everything you read posted on the internet? Every site will say something different. Some sites say that the PC will be faster, others say Mac. I dont believe anything like that posted on the internet. If I want to see whats faster, I do the tests myself.

Problem is though, the G4's have a slow FSB. My eMac has a 133MHz FSB. The higher end G4's have a FSB of up to 333MHz. But the 1GHz processor and the slower FSB on my eMac didnt stop it from whooping my friends AMD 2000+.

 

[randumb]

Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy

Originally posted by: randumb

Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy

Originally posted by: ProCoolingKevin

Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy
Care to back this statement up?

Give it a rest...I'm a diehard mac user and I still agree. Until the G5, Macs couldn't match PC performance...

Then you back his statement up. If you cant back up what you said, dont post at all. Period. So take your business else where.

If you're really interested, google up some PC vs. Mac comparisons. For example, http://www.digitalvideoediting...atures/cw_macvspc2.htm. I'm not a mac hater (i think the ibooks/powerbooks are pretty tight), but the G4 macs didn't cut it performance wise.

Do you believe everything you read posted on the internet? Every site will say something different. Some sites say that the PC will be faster, others say Mac. I dont believe anything like that posted on the internet. If I want to see whats faster, I do the tests myself.

Problem is though, the G4's have a slow FSB. My eMac has a 133MHz FSB. The higher end G4's have a FSB of up to 333MHz. But the 1GHz processor and the slower FSB on my eMac didnt stop it from whooping my friends AMD 2000+.

Actually, if you look around, most benchmarks show the G4 losing - sometimes very badly.

And just because your emac beat an AMD 2000+ in one benchmark doesn't mean its faster. I had to maintain a network of 10 or so emacs for newspaper, and they were noticeably slower (in simple tasks like network transfers to Photoshop, PageMaker, and Acrobat) than the few p4 1.8s we had.

 

[imported_Lucifer]

Originally posted by: randumb

Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy

Originally posted by: randumb

Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy

Originally posted by: ProCoolingKevin

Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy
Care to back this statement up?

Give it a rest...I'm a diehard mac user and I still agree. Until the G5, Macs couldn't match PC performance...

Then you back his statement up. If you cant back up what you said, dont post at all. Period. So take your business else where.

If you're really interested, google up some PC vs. Mac comparisons. For example, http://www.digitalvideoediting...atures/cw_macvspc2.htm. I'm not a mac hater (i think the ibooks/powerbooks are pretty tight), but the G4 macs didn't cut it performance wise.

Do you believe everything you read posted on the internet? Every site will say something different. Some sites say that the PC will be faster, others say Mac. I dont believe anything like that posted on the internet. If I want to see whats faster, I do the tests myself.

Problem is though, the G4's have a slow FSB. My eMac has a 133MHz FSB. The higher end G4's have a FSB of up to 333MHz. But the 1GHz processor and the slower FSB on my eMac didnt stop it from whooping my friends AMD 2000+.

Actually, if you look around, most benchmarks show the G4 losing - sometimes very badly.

And just because your emac beat an AMD 2000+ in one benchmark doesn't mean its faster. I had to maintain a network of 10 or so emacs for newspaper, and they were noticeably slower (in simple tasks like network transfers to Photoshop, PageMaker, and Acrobat) than the few p4 1.8s we had.

Thats because you are looking at benchmarks posted on the internet. I dont believe benchmarks on the internet. They all lie.

Can you prove that my eMac beat the AMD 2000+ in only one benchmark? Did I say that it beat the AMD in only one benchmark? I honestly dont know where you got this from. You dont even know what we used to benchmark.

We used: Image sizing on a 450mb image in Photoshop. I won by 12 seconds. Gaussion Blur. I won by 12 seconds. Lens Flare. I won by 6 seconds. Motion Blur. I won by 10 seconds.

Quicktime Compression. I won by 3 minutes 56 seconds.

 

[addragyn]

http://www.luisdelarosa.com/blog/

http://developer.apple.com/tools/eclipse.html

^^ Apple just put up an Eclipse page. Hopefully a good sign.

Have you tried XCode?

 

[theblackbox]

when it comes to certain photoshop filters, macs are better. unfortunately, that only happens with certain photoshop filters.

In the last two years, i have gotten rid of two powerbooks, a g4, and two ibooks because the performance was, so to say, not awe inspiring. I now use a p4 w/ ht for video, an amd 64 for gaming, and a dothan laptop when i'm lazy for everything.

There is a reason apple only has 3-5 % of the market share. Performance sells to enthusiasts, and enthusiasts aren't stupid. Most have tried an apple, or own one, but find better performance elsewhere.
I have not tried a g5, and i imagine it's a good chip, but you can't sell me on apple when it comes to performance, only finesse.

 

[imported_Lucifer]

Originally posted by: theblackbox
when it comes to certain photoshop filters, macs are better. unfortunately, that only happens with certain photoshop filters.

In the last two years, i have gotten rid of two powerbooks, a g4, and two ibooks because the performance was, so to say, not awe inspiring. I now use a p4 w/ ht for video, an amd 64 for gaming, and a dothan laptop when i'm lazy for everything.

There is a reason apple only has 3-5 % of the market share. Performance sells to enthusiasts, and enthusiasts aren't stupid. Most have tried an apple, or own one, but find better performance elsewhere.
I have not tried a g5, and i imagine it's a good chip, but you can't sell me on apple when it comes to performance, only finesse.

Well, that is just your opinion. I know many people who have had a good experience with Macs. Maybe you werent so lucky.

addragyn: I have never used XCode. I installed it, but never used it. I just dont know how to use XCode. I wish I did. Im curious. Do you use it often?

 

[randumb]

Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy

Originally posted by: randumb

Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy

Originally posted by: randumb

Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy

Originally posted by: ProCoolingKevin

Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy
Care to back this statement up?

Give it a rest...I'm a diehard mac user and I still agree. Until the G5, Macs couldn't match PC performance...

Then you back his statement up. If you cant back up what you said, dont post at all. Period. So take your business else where.

If you're really interested, google up some PC vs. Mac comparisons. For example, http://www.digitalvideoediting...atures/cw_macvspc2.htm. I'm not a mac hater (i think the ibooks/powerbooks are pretty tight), but the G4 macs didn't cut it performance wise.

Do you believe everything you read posted on the internet? Every site will say something different. Some sites say that the PC will be faster, others say Mac. I dont believe anything like that posted on the internet. If I want to see whats faster, I do the tests myself.

Problem is though, the G4's have a slow FSB. My eMac has a 133MHz FSB. The higher end G4's have a FSB of up to 333MHz. But the 1GHz processor and the slower FSB on my eMac didnt stop it from whooping my friends AMD 2000+.

Actually, if you look around, most benchmarks show the G4 losing - sometimes very badly.

And just because your emac beat an AMD 2000+ in one benchmark doesn't mean its faster. I had to maintain a network of 10 or so emacs for newspaper, and they were noticeably slower (in simple tasks like network transfers to Photoshop, PageMaker, and Acrobat) than the few p4 1.8s we had.

Thats because you are looking at benchmarks posted on the internet. I dont believe benchmarks on the internet. They all lie.

Can you prove that my eMac beat the AMD 2000+ in only one benchmark? Did I say that it beat the AMD in only one benchmark? I honestly dont know where you got this from. You dont even know what we used to benchmark.

We used: Image sizing on a 450mb image in Photoshop. I won by 12 seconds. Gaussion Blur. I won by 12 seconds. Lens Flare. I won by 6 seconds. Motion Blur. I won by 10 seconds.

Quicktime Compression. I won by 3 minutes 56 seconds.

If you don't want to believe benchmarks, then don't. But then why do you post your own benchmarks? Your post is also on the internet, so am I supposed to believe it?

The second half of my post was about personal experience with a network of emacs.

 

[imported_Lucifer]

Originally posted by: randumb

Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy

Originally posted by: randumb

Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy

Originally posted by: randumb

Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy

Originally posted by: ProCoolingKevin

Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy
Care to back this statement up?

Give it a rest...I'm a diehard mac user and I still agree. Until the G5, Macs couldn't match PC performance...

Then you back his statement up. If you cant back up what you said, dont post at all. Period. So take your business else where.

If you're really interested, google up some PC vs. Mac comparisons. For example, http://www.digitalvideoediting...atures/cw_macvspc2.htm. I'm not a mac hater (i think the ibooks/powerbooks are pretty tight), but the G4 macs didn't cut it performance wise.

Do you believe everything you read posted on the internet? Every site will say something different. Some sites say that the PC will be faster, others say Mac. I dont believe anything like that posted on the internet. If I want to see whats faster, I do the tests myself.

Problem is though, the G4's have a slow FSB. My eMac has a 133MHz FSB. The higher end G4's have a FSB of up to 333MHz. But the 1GHz processor and the slower FSB on my eMac didnt stop it from whooping my friends AMD 2000+.

Actually, if you look around, most benchmarks show the G4 losing - sometimes very badly.

And just because your emac beat an AMD 2000+ in one benchmark doesn't mean its faster. I had to maintain a network of 10 or so emacs for newspaper, and they were noticeably slower (in simple tasks like network transfers to Photoshop, PageMaker, and Acrobat) than the few p4 1.8s we had.

Thats because you are looking at benchmarks posted on the internet. I dont believe benchmarks on the internet. They all lie.

Can you prove that my eMac beat the AMD 2000+ in only one benchmark? Did I say that it beat the AMD in only one benchmark? I honestly dont know where you got this from. You dont even know what we used to benchmark.

We used: Image sizing on a 450mb image in Photoshop. I won by 12 seconds. Gaussion Blur. I won by 12 seconds. Lens Flare. I won by 6 seconds. Motion Blur. I won by 10 seconds.

Quicktime Compression. I won by 3 minutes 56 seconds.

If you don't want to believe benchmarks, then don't. But then why do you post your own benchmarks? Your post is also on the internet, so am I supposed to believe it?

The second half of my post was about personal experience with a network of emacs.

Go ahead and believe those other benchmarks posted on PC websites and expect them to be real. I dont care if you dont believe my benchmarks. I am showing you from my personal experience with my G4 against a PC.

 

[hopejr]

IMHO, the FSB on macs sucks, and it doesn't help with performance.
theblackbox: I know quite a few enthusiasts, and none of them have touched a mac in ages, coz they still thought OS X was built off OS 9. But a few have tried them and have decided that OS X is a very good OS, and they prefer it. But yes, performance sells, esp with the MHz wars that are now just finishing, and because of performance vs. price, they still went with a PC. I'm just hoping that Apple realises what's going on and gets their act together. I like macs, and I'm converted (because of OS X), but I'm just a bit disappointed by what Apple is doing in regards to prices vs. other stuff.

 

[hopejr]

IMHO, the FSB on macs sucks, and it doesn't help with performance.
theblackbox: I know quite a few enthusiasts, and none of them have touched a mac in ages, coz they still thought OS X was built off OS 9. But a few have tried them and have decided that OS X is a very good OS, and they prefer it. But yes, performance sells, esp with the MHz wars that are now just finishing, and because of performance vs. price, they still went with a PC. I'm just hoping that Apple realises what's going on and gets their act together. I like macs, and I'm converted (because of OS X), but I'm just a bit disappointed by what Apple is doing in regards to prices vs. other stuff. However, the bundled software that comes on new macs is amazing and i haven't seen such range on a new PC before.

 

[theblackbox]

i really liked osx, i was dissapointed by it' performance overall. i enjoyed my macs, just found when video rendering, the pc did just as well, and in some cases better.
the OS offers a lot, but unfortunatley it's limited by the hardware.

 

[randumb]

hopejr: OS X is pretty sweet. I don't think performance is an issue now with the G5s, but they really need to lower the prices on the Power Macs.

 

[imported_Lucifer]

Originally posted by: randumb
hopejr: OS X is pretty sweet. I don't think performance is an issue now with the G5s, but they really need to lower the prices on the Power Macs.

i couldnt agree more.

 

[hopejr]

I love OS X. In fact I'm using it right now and use it all the time I'm impressed with its efficiency, but like I said before, wish Apple put it on some decent hardware (I love my iBook G4 too though)

BTW, I didn't mean to post twice before. I cancelled my first post half way through, oh well.

 

[Whaspe]

So is the consensus that Apple will be releasing new powerbooks in early '05? I'm also considering getting one, but if they're just about to come out with a new one I might as well wait.

 

[imported_Lucifer]

You might as well wait. I am pretty sure they are going to update them.

 

[halfadder]

I once ran across a website that tracked Apple hardware updates. They had a neat graphical representation for each of their product lines (PowerMac, PowerBook, iMac, iBook, eMac) that showed when Apple updated the hardware in the past. From this you could see that Apple is fairly regular with their updates and made it pretty easy to predict about when a product was due for another update, even without looking at the rumors sites.

I played with Google for the past 5 minutes trying to find said website, but had no luck.

 

[imported_Lucifer]

I would like to see that site. Macrumors however, has been pretty accurate about the updates. They did predict the updated eMac's with the 1.25GHz processor, and they even predicted how the iMac G5 was going to look, including the correct specs. They also predicted the specs of the iBook and the Powerbook correctly.

 

[addragyn]

http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/