Powerful and Portable notebook

[Penth]

I posted this in the General Hardware section and someone recommended I try here so let me know what you think.

I'm looking for something with these specs

Under 5 lbs for sure under 4 lbs would be a dream.
13.3" WXGA screen
DVD+/- R/RW
Memory Card Reader (I'd love something with CF, MS, SD and MiniSD, but the SD/MS would be ok)
DVI output
Bluetooth, 802.11n, WiMax, maybe GSM support
100+GB 7200RPM HD
2GB RAM
Dual Core (Turion 64 65nm or Core Duo)
6600GT or something close (Enough to push whatever resolution the display is in games with eye-candy. Probably something later this year or early next year with DX10 support and better support for vista. Also, something that doesn't suck batteries when it isn't chugging away in games. I imagine this will become more common as vista pushes graphics requirements beyond what is common for laptops today.)

Obviously things like 802.11n, WiMax and GSM support which aren't common at all would delay this by quite a bit and especially keep the price in the >$1200 range, so opinions on when something like this will be available both with and without those features would be appreciated.

Edit: Added emphasis on what I'm actually asking about added. I got grilled because this stuff isn't out or cheap right now. That's why I asked for OPINIONS about WHEN it WILL BE available. I wasn't asking where I can go to get this laptop for $1200 today.

 

[aigomorla]

uhhh, your asking for a lot for that little price. The laptop ur wishing for is a "light" catigory laptop and with dual core on those, they get really expensive.

Also bluetooth itself is a luxury on wifi, thats most likely going to be another option ur adding.

I gaurenty u wont find a 100+gb 7200 hard drive on any laptop sub 1800 dollars. The drive itself costs 400 if ur thinkn about the price on a 7k100

2GB of DDR2 Ram requires 2 1GB sticks. These arent on sub 1800 dollar laptops as well.

dedicated video card in that class is asking seriously for too much.

All in all, the answer to your question would probably be like in 5 yrs u might find something like that for that price. If you want a laptop of that specs, but shaved down a bit, bigger heavier, lower quality dedicated video card, 14 inch screen, u might want to check out acer. i saw something simular to that for 1400. Personally i dont know much about them but thats the cheapest price ive seen for core duo.

 

[Penth]

Originally posted by: aigomorla
uhhh, your asking for a lot for that little price. The laptop ur wishing for is a "light" catigory laptop and with dual core on those, they get really expensive.

Also bluetooth itself is a luxury on wifi, thats most likely going to be another option ur adding.

I gaurenty u wont find a 100+gb 7200 hard drive on any laptop sub 1800 dollars. The drive itself costs 400 if ur thinkn about the price on a 7k100

2GB of DDR2 Ram requires 2 1GB sticks. These arent on sub 1800 dollar laptops as well.

dedicated video card in that class is asking seriously for too much.

All in all, the answer to your question would probably be like in 5 yrs u might find something like that for that price. If you want a laptop of that specs, but shaved down a bit, bigger heavier, lower quality dedicated video card, 14 inch screen, u might want to check out acer. i saw something simular to that for 1400. Personally i dont know much about them but thats the cheapest price ive seen for core duo.

5 Years? You can't be serious.

If you leave off the wireless options like I said I could live without you've got something almost possible today.

$400 for the 100GB 7200RPM HD? You're shopping at the wrong place. Newegg has them for less than $200. That's around $150 more than a typical laptop drive.

Add another $150 for 2GB Ram. All you need is the dual core CPU and GPU. Right now we're only roughly at $1000.

My brother just got a setup for $700 that is everything I'd want except the GPU, CPU, HD, and RAM, so I'll base my speculation on his setup.

Difference in price between an X2 and a Athlon 64? $150 or less. I'm sure by the end of this year when they are cheaper for AMD to produce and more common the gap will shrink even more. Call it $1100 there. Then a GPU. Granted, I'll probably need to wait a while until these can be made smaller/cheaper/lighter, but I think this laptop is definetly possibly within the next year.

Laptops in 5 years will probably have 8-16 cores or more, have 10 hours+ batter life, 8+GB Ram, probably 3000+x2000+ resolution screens and video cards that will make a 6600GT seem like a Riva. All under 5 lbs.

 

[fbrdphreak]

Originally posted by: Penth
My brother just got a setup for $700 that is everything I'd want except the GPU, CPU, HD, and RAM, so I'll base my speculation on his setup.

There's your first problem. The GPU & CPU are the most expensive upgrades in a particular laptop model.

Originally posted by: Penth
Difference in price between an X2 and a Athlon 64? $150 or less. I'm sure by the end of this year when they are cheaper for AMD to produce and more common the gap will shrink even more.

That would apply if we were talking about a desktop. AMD doesn't even have dual core mobiles out yet and when they do come out in May, they will be pretty expensive. In fact given Intel's chance to drop the price on its Core Duo between now & then, I'd say Intel could even be...cheaper :Q

Originally posted by: Penth
Laptops in 5 years will probably have 8-16 cores or more, have 10 hours+ batter life, 8+GB Ram, probably 3000+x2000+ resolution screens and video cards that will make a 6600GT seem like a Riva. All under 5 lbs.

No, I'm sorry no. That's now how it will happen. Again, if we were talking about desktops....

A 13.3" WXGA notebook with dual core technology will be nowhere NEAR $1000-$1200. Hell, even single core 13.3" notebooks will be more than that price.

You need to re-evaluate your specs or re-evaluate your price.

 

[coolVariable]

Originally posted by: Penth

Originally posted by: aigomorla
uhhh, your asking for a lot for that little price. The laptop ur wishing for is a "light" catigory laptop and with dual core on those, they get really expensive.

Also bluetooth itself is a luxury on wifi, thats most likely going to be another option ur adding.

I gaurenty u wont find a 100+gb 7200 hard drive on any laptop sub 1800 dollars. The drive itself costs 400 if ur thinkn about the price on a 7k100

2GB of DDR2 Ram requires 2 1GB sticks. These arent on sub 1800 dollar laptops as well.

dedicated video card in that class is asking seriously for too much.

All in all, the answer to your question would probably be like in 5 yrs u might find something like that for that price. If you want a laptop of that specs, but shaved down a bit, bigger heavier, lower quality dedicated video card, 14 inch screen, u might want to check out acer. i saw something simular to that for 1400. Personally i dont know much about them but thats the cheapest price ive seen for core duo.

5 Years? You can't be serious.

If you leave off the wireless options like I said I could live without you've got something almost possible today.

$400 for the 100GB 7200RPM HD? You're shopping at the wrong place. Newegg has them for less than $200. That's around $150 more than a typical laptop drive.

Add another $150 for 2GB Ram. All you need is the dual core CPU and GPU. Right now we're only roughly at $1000.

My brother just got a setup for $700 that is everything I'd want except the GPU, CPU, HD, and RAM, so I'll base my speculation on his setup.

Difference in price between an X2 and a Athlon 64? $150 or less. I'm sure by the end of this year when they are cheaper for AMD to produce and more common the gap will shrink even more. Call it $1100 there. Then a GPU. Granted, I'll probably need to wait a while until these can be made smaller/cheaper/lighter, but I think this laptop is definetly possibly within the next year.

Laptops in 5 years will probably have 8-16 cores or more, have 10 hours+ batter life, 8+GB Ram, probably 3000+x2000+ resolution screens and video cards that will make a 6600GT seem like a Riva. All under 5 lbs.

I just hate people that ask a stupid question and then act like a know it all when they get an answer they do not like.

 

[lazybum131]

The Sony SZ160 is closest to your specs available today. And it costs $2500. With only 1GB of ram, 5400rpm hard drive and Go 7400.

The next generation will probably meet all your specs except price is gonna still be around $2500 for such a top-of-the-line system. You'll be waiting for a few years for sure if you want something under $1200.

 

[Penth]

Originally posted by: fbrdphreak
There's your first problem. The GPU & CPU are the most expensive upgrades in a particular laptop model.

That's why I allowed nearly doubling the price of the laptop to add those extra features.

A 13.3" WXGA notebook with dual core technology will be nowhere NEAR $1000-$1200. Hell, even single core 13.3" notebooks will be more than that price.

You need to re-evaluate your specs or re-evaluate your price.

I'm not sure what you're saying here? A dual core 13.3" WXGA laptop will be nowhere near $1200 and not even a single core? Is that what you're saying? Because Single core 13.3" laptops go for less than $800. I saw a deal on a core duo I'm pretty sure it was that size for around $1200. Even if it wasn't you can't seriously think a dual core chip will cost more than $400 more than a single core if everything else is spec'd the same.

Maybe you just weren't very clear with your statement and I'm misunderstanding.

 

[fbrdphreak]

I can't say I've specifically seen a 13.3" notebook for less than $800; I know I've seen some small ones, not sure if they were 13.3" or 12", but the fact of the matter is that those cheap 13.3" models will not have the features or capabilities you want.

And I can think a dual core notebook will cost several hundred dollars more than its single core counterpart, especially in such a small form factor. Small form factors require more engineering for the higher TDP Yonah chip; but in the end it comes down to the company. Some companies have existing designs that will work with minimal modification; others don't and as such a dual core 13.3" will be costly for them to develop.

If you can find what you're looking for at $1200 I'll be shocked to ******, that's all I'm saying. Good luck

 

[Penth]

If I could find what I'm looking for for $1200 I'd be shocked too. I don't expect to. I'm not even looking. I don't think is so far fetched to think it is possible in a year or so.

 

[aigomorla]

*sigh* they lowered the price on the 7k100, but it still costs over 195, and u still wont see a laptop carry that in a sub 1800 dollar config. And u cant pop desktop ram in a laptop because it uses a completely different pin set and power options.

You asked for laptop, not desktop. I gave u an honest answer. Ur not going to get a laptop of what you require for anything less then 1800. And even 1800 is pushing it, if you can find awesome dell coupons.

The hard drives on most laptops now is 5400rpm unless u go into the ultra portable.

Im trying to be a as nice as possible right now without flaming you like some people are, but you really need to wake up and look at reality. If u do happen to find that laptop for sub 1200, i would really like to know, because i'll probably end up buying quite a few for my workers and have my friends jump on that offer.

 

[Penth]

Originally posted by: aigomorla
Im trying to be a as nice as possible right now without flaming you like some people are, but you really need to wake up and look at reality. If u do happen to find that laptop for sub 1200, i would really like to know, because i'll probably end up buying quite a few for my workers and have my friends jump on that offer.

I appreciate that you're being nice. I just don't think I'm asleep to reality. I'm well aware that what I want isn't available in my price range today. It's probably not available at all right now, but that doesn't mean it is super far off. I don't think I'm going to find the laptop I want for $1200. In fact, I know I won't. Not now, and not soon. But I guarantee it is less than 3 years. I'll be surprised if it isn't in 2007. Everyone who thinks I'm expecting to find this laptop for $1200 today is missing the point of my post. I know that the model I want isn't available. But todays $1800 or $2000 laptop with all the features I want is next years $1100 or $1200 laptop.

And when the laptop is around for $1200 you probably won't need to pick them up for you and your workers and your friends, because the features for that price will be fairly common-place. But I'll still be buying.

 

[Rolcahl]

Originally posted by: fbrdphreak
AMD doesn't even have dual core mobiles out yet and when they do come out in May, they will be pretty expensive.

Actually AMD X2's are out for notebooks, you just have to look around. Kind of pricey though

http://www.widowpc.com/2005/06/gaming_laptops.php

 

[keeleysam]

Originally posted by: Rolcahl

Originally posted by: fbrdphreak
AMD doesn't even have dual core mobiles out yet and when they do come out in May, they will be pretty expensive.

Actually AMD X2's are out for notebooks, you just have to look around. Kind of pricey though

http://www.widowpc.com/2005/06/gaming_laptops.php

Those are not mobile versions....

 

[Rolcahl]

My bad. Guess I got a little excited seeing a dual core AMD in a notebook. Thanks for pointing that out

 

[Albis]

with dell's great coupons i bet we could get something like the OP dreams off in 2 or 3 years.

but with being a "light" laptop, they need to take into account for the battery life so I don't know if someone will pair a nice GPU with a small laptop